From cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net Mon Aug 1 10:12:13 2011 From: cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:12:13 -0700 Subject: exporting a number with Text Export Wiz Message-ID: my field AG# contains a nine digit number (Employer Identification Number). I have the export wizard set to export using the format str(?AG#?), expecting an export value of something like '626380345' but the wizard sends it out as '6.26380345e+8' but I am curious why the plain str( function produces scientific notation in stead of the plain number. I realize I can set the wizard to str(pattern(?AG#?,"########")). Craig McPherson From mark at abernackie.com Mon Aug 1 17:50:25 2011 From: mark at abernackie.com (Mark Terry) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:50:25 -0400 Subject: LookUpAll In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8FD6D25E-09B4-4EF9-A7A5-831436B771D9@abernackie.com> If you mean a total of the shipping costs, you could use arraynumerictotal(lookupall(myFile,keyField,keyvalue,shipCost,sep),sep) If you mean total number of shipments you could substitute arraysize( for arraynumerictotal(, and some datafield that will always have an entry. I don't see where this was ever answered, but I may be missing some posts. M On Jul 26, 2011, at 3:13 PM, steve middleton wrote: > Hello all, > > I am having a brain block. How do I use lookupall to grab all > shipments from a Shipping file and display a total of those > shipments in a different file using a TDSO? > > Thanks > > Steve Middleton > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From tgross at condoready.com Mon Aug 1 19:13:57 2011 From: tgross at condoready.com (Thomas Gross) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 16:13:57 -1000 Subject: Remote Syncronizing Message-ID: <4E375D65.8000704@condoready.com> Aloha Enterprise users, Is there a way to remotely synchronize peer-to-peer without creating a website? I have an off site location which I want them to update the system without having to come by the office. Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But, you probably didn't see the messages about that over the weekend, because it turns out our e-mail was partially broken also. It turns out our ISP made a change last Wednesday that broke all of our outgoing automatic e-mail - the qna lists, responses to tech support questions, order confirmation e-mails, etc. Grrrr. (Regular outbound e-mail from our e-mail clients goes a different route and wasn't affected, which caused a big delay in our noticing this.) Fortunately our ISP is a friend of mine so we were able to track the problem down quickly once it had been identified. The good news is that he had made the changes because spammers had hacked into his server and were causing problems with mail delivery. This may be why some of you had reported intermittent problems in receiving e-mail from ProVUE. Their servers are now more locked down than ever and it appears that the spammers are locked out for now, so hopefully mail delivery from ProVUE will be 100% reliable now. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. Jim Rea ProVUE Development From conable.1 at osu.edu Mon Aug 1 21:47:42 2011 From: conable.1 at osu.edu (William Conable) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 21:47:42 -0700 Subject: Remote Syncronizing In-Reply-To: <4E375D65.8000704@condoready.com> References: <4E375D65.8000704@condoready.com> Message-ID: <4E37816E.7050302@osu.edu> You can easily sync any clients with the master DB on the server (and thus with each other) if you have enterprise. You needn't do any web programming or even buy web capability. Bill Conable -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjmeyer at mac.com Tue Aug 2 00:57:10 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 09:57:10 +0200 Subject: exporting a number with Text Export Wiz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1712300D-3F58-4E24-9D64-8865680A3014@mac.com> Am 01.08.2011 um 19:12 schrieb Craig McPherson: > my field AG# contains a nine digit number (Employer Identification Number). > I have the export wizard set to export using the format str(?AG#?), expecting an export value of something like '626380345' but the wizard sends it out as '6.26380345e+8' but I am curious why the plain str( function produces scientific notation in stead of the plain number. I realize I can set the wizard to str(pattern(?AG#?,"########")). Craig, I think, Jim or Dave can tell you if the reason for that conversion is buried in the number settings of the field. Which setting do you use? Floating point or integer? Maybe you better set up this ID field as a text field? From JC at JamesCook.biz Tue Aug 2 02:06:20 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 05:06:20 -0400 Subject: Remote Syncronizing In-Reply-To: <4E375D65.8000704@condoready.com> References: <4E375D65.8000704@condoready.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfred at seqair.com Tue Aug 2 03:11:07 2011 From: alfred at seqair.com (Alfred Scott) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 06:11:07 -0400 Subject: Gesture Scrolling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, This is very easy to do using carbon events and getting events 'manually' and it's the only way I deal with events in the drawing tools in WildTools. How this would fit into the overall event processing in Panorama is an entirely different matter. I have a ToolLoop class for all this. I'd be happy to share this with you if you're interested. Alfred On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:49 AM, James Rea wrote: > On 7/29/11 at 11:16 PM, kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) wrote: > >> But HORIZONTAL gesture scrolling in the data sheet is obviously intentionally deactivated in Panorama. > > It's not intentionally deactivated, it simply doesn't work because of the major amount of work required to implement this. > > When Apple came out with the Magic mouse a few years ago they added a new scrolling mode - diagonal scrolling. This works with mouse wheels and trackpads, and allows scrolling to occur both vertically and horizontally simultaneously. > > When Panorama was first designed almost 25 years ago horizontal and vertical scrolling were two entirely separate operations. So the core code of Panorama has absolutely no capability for diagonal scrolling. I was able to get vertical scrolling for scroll wheels and trackpads to work by hooking it into Panorama's code for the vertical scroll bar. But there was nothing for diagonal scrolling to hook into, so Panorama simply ignores the horizontal component of a scroll. I assume that the Lion gesture you are referring to is passed to Panorama as a horizontal scroll, so it is ignored. > > Of course, given enough new code, I imagine this *can* be made to work. Perhaps it's time to revisit this feature. I do recall looking into it a few years ago and deciding it was too much of a major project, but at that time it only affected a small number of users that had purchased an unpopular mouse. It's clearly more of an issue now. > > Jim Rea > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Tue Aug 2 04:39:30 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 06:39:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: exporting a number with Text Export Wiz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110802063930.CSO92986@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> >my field AG# contains a nine digit number (Employer Identification Number). >I have the export wizard set to export using the format str(?AG#?), expecting an export value of something like '626380345' but the wizard sends it out as '6.26380345e+8' but I am curious why the plain str( function produces scientific notation in stead of the plain number. I realize I can set the wizard to str(pattern(?AG#?,"########")). It's basically an arbitrary call. When does the number get to be "big." Since the str( function doesn't insert commas as thousands separators, it quickly becomes difficult to tell whether a number is in the millions, tens of millions or hundreds of millions without counting the digits. The e+8 at the end tells you it's in the hundreds of millions. The str( function switches to scientific notation when the number is in the millions or greater. You might think that is too soon. Someone else might think it is too late. In the case of an EIN, you really aren't interested in the numerical value. You aren't going to be doing arithmetic with it. It's just a nine character code, but you have it in a numeric field, so Panorama assumes its numerical value has meaning. Dave From j.franzen at verizon.net Tue Aug 2 06:04:35 2011 From: j.franzen at verizon.net (James Franzen) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 09:04:35 -0400 Subject: Is the list down? In-Reply-To: References: <4E287934.8010303@comcast.net> Message-ID: The sun rose today and so did the QNA-list postings to my email address. Good to hear from all of you again. On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:00 AM, James Franzen wrote: > > Have not received any Q&A postings to over a week. I can't recall Junking any postings. > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us Tue Aug 2 06:25:30 2011 From: jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 09:25:30 -0400 Subject: Disk Error -37 (and -36) In-Reply-To: <2903F3B6-BA2C-460A-992F-C867D5231237@state.ga.weo.us> References: <2903F3B6-BA2C-460A-992F-C867D5231237@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: <9F13802C-853B-4636-A1D9-C90E0862E440@state.ga.weo.us> I am running copies of Panorama Direct on three computers, and copies of three different Panorama versions on our main server. At various times a Panorama crash will occur and Panorama will be automatically restarted by "Keep-It-Up" which is installed on each of our machines. The problem is, about 10% of the time when Panorama is relaunched, it generates a Disk Error -37, or in rarer cases, a Disk Error -36. Neither case seems "fatal" to the operation of Panorama, however, if the error dialog is not dismissed, Panorama does nothing. (FYI... This same disk error will sometimes occur just by relaunching Panorama by hand, as some have previously reported on this list, so it is not related to the Keep-It-Up program.) If this happens during the night, or at some point during the day when I don't notice it, portions of our website will be down until I notice the problem on the affected web server and dismiss the "Disk Error" dialog. Our website is very busy these days, so this is something we need to avoid. Is there any way to disable such error dialogs? I've never quite understood what the "Growl" program is mentioned in the Panorama manual. Is this something that could help with this? Ideally, in the long term whatever bug in Panorama causes these random disk errors will be fixed. In the meantime, though, I'm looking for a solution to keep our web servers from going down when this happens. Any ideas? Thanks, - Jeff From skane-l at skaneco.com Tue Aug 2 06:38:37 2011 From: skane-l at skaneco.com (Steve Kane) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:38:37 -0500 Subject: Disk Error -37 (and -36) In-Reply-To: <9F13802C-853B-4636-A1D9-C90E0862E440@state.ga.weo.us> References: <2903F3B6-BA2C-460A-992F-C867D5231237@state.ga.weo.us> <9F13802C-853B-4636-A1D9-C90E0862E440@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: On Aug 2, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Jeff Gold wrote in part: > The problem is, about 10% of the time when Panorama is relaunched, it generates a Disk Error -37, or in rarer cases, a Disk Error -36. Neither case seems "fatal" to the operation of Panorama, however, if the error dialog is not dismissed, Panorama does nothing. (FYI... This same disk error will sometimes occur just by relaunching Panorama by hand, as some have previously reported on this list, so it is not related to the Keep-It-Up program.) FWIW, I have several copies of Pan 6 in my Applications folder which I use to run separate Pan files. Occasionally, when launching one of the Pan copies with its associated file using AutoLoad, the Disk Error message will occur. As Jeff says, when the dialog is dismissed the file seems unaffected. I forget whether the error is -36 or -37. These files have nothing exciting in their .initialize procedure. From robert at ameeti.net Tue Aug 2 07:09:53 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 07:09:53 -0700 Subject: Disk Error -37 (and -36) In-Reply-To: References: <2903F3B6-BA2C-460A-992F-C867D5231237@state.ga.weo.us> <9F13802C-853B-4636-A1D9-C90E0862E440@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: If you can run Keep-It-Up, then you must be running an OS than can run PowerPC apps. Given that, you should also be running Okey Dokey Pro. This little utility will automatically press the default button in modal dialogs after a time limit. You can exclude apps if you wish along with many other useful options. At 8:38 AM -0500, 8/2/11, Steve Kane wrote: >On Aug 2, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Jeff Gold wrote in part: > >> The problem is, about 10% of the time when >>Panorama is relaunched, it generates a Disk >>Error -37, or in rarer cases, a Disk Error -36. >>Neither case seems "fatal" to the operation of >>Panorama, however, if the error dialog is not >>dismissed, Panorama does nothing. (FYI... This >>same disk error will sometimes occur just by >>relaunching Panorama by hand, as some have >>previously reported on this list, so it is not >>related to the Keep-It-Up program.) > >FWIW, I have several copies of Pan 6 in my >Applications folder which I use to run separate >Pan files. Occasionally, when launching one of >the Pan copies with its associated file using >AutoLoad, the Disk Error message will occur. As >Jeff says, when the dialog is dismissed the file >seems unaffected. I forget whether the error is >-36 or -37. These files have nothing exciting in >their .initialize procedure. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist One man tells a falsehood, a hundred repeat it as true. <><><><><><><><><><><><> From JC at JamesCook.biz Tue Aug 2 07:38:23 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:38:23 -0400 Subject: Disk Error -37 (and -36) In-Reply-To: References: <2903F3B6-BA2C-460A-992F-C867D5231237@state.ga.weo.us> <9F13802C-853B-4636-A1D9-C90E0862E440@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: At 7:09 AM -0700 8/2/11, Robert Ameeti wrote: >If you can run Keep-It-Up, then you must be running an OS than can run PowerPC apps. Given that, you should also be running Okey Dokey Pro. This little utility will automatically press the default button in modal dialogs after a time limit. You can exclude apps if you wish along with many other useful options. Keep It Up has kept up and there has been an OS X version all along. Keep-It-Up-X 4.0.1 is current. Okey Dokey never came out with an OS X release. That's a shame because it was marvelously useful on servers. -- James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web From jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us Tue Aug 2 07:52:59 2011 From: jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:52:59 -0400 Subject: Disk Error -37 (and -36) In-Reply-To: References: <2903F3B6-BA2C-460A-992F-C867D5231237@state.ga.weo.us> <9F13802C-853B-4636-A1D9-C90E0862E440@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: <3559C210-2E92-4467-9B84-A6BF6ED7A885@state.ga.weo.us> What does Growl do? Can this help? In Growl's description ( http://growl.info/about.php ) it says... "Growl offers you complete control over which notifications are shown and how they are displayed. You will not receive any notifications that you do not want, because you can easily turn notifications (specific ones or all of them) off." Can I use growl to turn off certain error notifications like these? Or does Growl handle something completely different than these kinds of error messages? Best wishes, - Jeff From robert at ameeti.net Tue Aug 2 08:12:36 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:12:36 -0700 Subject: Disk Error -37 (and -36) In-Reply-To: <3559C210-2E92-4467-9B84-A6BF6ED7A885@state.ga.weo.us> References: <2903F3B6-BA2C-460A-992F-C867D5231237@state.ga.weo.us> <9F13802C-853B-4636-A1D9-C90E0862E440@state.ga.weo.us> <3559C210-2E92-4467-9B84-A6BF6ED7A885@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: Growl will not help here. It will not take the place of a modal dialog. It will not prevent the modal dialog nor will it dismiss it. The best part of Growl is the additional information that it will present. The additional non-modal displays of information are things like your AirPort signal being lost, your remote TimeMachine backup being mounted and unmounted, a USB device being recognized and mounted or not. At 10:52 AM -0400, 8/2/11, Jeff Gold wrote: >What does Growl do? Can this help? > >In Growl's description ( >http://growl.info/about.php ) it says... "Growl >offers you complete control over which >notifications are shown and how they are >displayed. You will not receive any >notifications that you do not want, because you >can easily turn notifications (specific ones or >all of them) off." > >Can I use growl to turn off certain error >notifications like these? Or does Growl handle >something completely different than these kinds >of error messages? > >Best wishes, > >- Jeff -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist Beer - it's not just for breakfast anymore. <><><><><><><><><><><><> From jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us Tue Aug 2 11:32:25 2011 From: jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 14:32:25 -0400 Subject: Disk Error -37 (and -36) In-Reply-To: References: <2903F3B6-BA2C-460A-992F-C867D5231237@state.ga.weo.us> <9F13802C-853B-4636-A1D9-C90E0862E440@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: <78B61FD2-B9CF-471B-B6A2-CD98DF16A311@state.ga.weo.us> Another error I get from time to time (not as common as the Disk Error messages) is: Sorry, file "PanoramaDatabaseFileNameHere" is already in use. Try again later. In this case, I actually have to restart the computer because Panorama always thinks the file is already in use every time it is launched. I think this error happens only when Panorama "hangs" and is force quit by Keep-It-Up then relaunched. Any ideas to help with this type of situation, or the Disk Errors previously discussed would be very appreciated! - Jeff From JC at JamesCook.biz Tue Aug 2 11:39:09 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 14:39:09 -0400 Subject: Disk Error -37 (and -36) In-Reply-To: <78B61FD2-B9CF-471B-B6A2-CD98DF16A311@state.ga.weo.us> References: <2903F3B6-BA2C-460A-992F-C867D5231237@state.ga.weo.us> <9F13802C-853B-4636-A1D9-C90E0862E440@state.ga.weo.us> <78B61FD2-B9CF-471B-B6A2-CD98DF16A311@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: Since it's only suspicion on my part, I didn't post about it earlier, but I believe all of those errors are a matter of Panorama or the OS thinking the file is in use. Crashes don't properly reset a file as closed, so.. >Another error I get from time to time (not as common as the Disk Error messages) is: > > Sorry, file "PanoramaDatabaseFileNameHere" is already in use. Try again later. > >In this case, I actually have to restart the computer because Panorama always thinks the file is already in use every time it is launched. > >I think this error happens only when Panorama "hangs" and is force quit by Keep-It-Up then relaunched. Any ideas to help with this type of situation, or the Disk Errors previously discussed would be very appreciated! -- James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web From jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us Tue Aug 2 12:16:55 2011 From: jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 15:16:55 -0400 Subject: Disk Error -37 (and -36) In-Reply-To: References: <2903F3B6-BA2C-460A-992F-C867D5231237@state.ga.weo.us> <9F13802C-853B-4636-A1D9-C90E0862E440@state.ga.weo.us> <78B61FD2-B9CF-471B-B6A2-CD98DF16A311@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: <3EFCD029-7859-4FBA-9041-4A6A4E2506E6@state.ga.weo.us> Assuming your hunch is correct, Jim, does anyone know how you can tell the OS a file is *not* in use, even if it thinks it is? - Jeff > Since it's only suspicion on my part, I didn't post about it earlier, but I believe all of those errors are a matter of Panorama or the OS thinking the file is in use. Crashes don't properly reset a file as closed, so.. From jim at provue.com Tue Aug 2 13:30:58 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:30:58 -0700 Subject: Disk Error -37 (and -36) In-Reply-To: <3EFCD029-7859-4FBA-9041-4A6A4E2506E6@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: On 8/2/11 at 12:16 PM, jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) wrote: >Assuming your hunch is correct, Jim, does anyone know how you can tell >the OS a file is *not* in use, even if it thinks it is? That's easy --- reboot the computer. Ok, snide answer. But as far as I know, unfortunately that is the only answer. There is no way that I know of to tell the OS that a file is not in use. The OS reserves that right to itself. Also, numbered disk errors are also generated by the OS. Panorama has no control over them, it simply reports them. I don't think it would be a good idea to routinely suppress these, although the server does have an option to suppress all alerts. But at the moment there is no such option in the client version of Panorama. It might be nice for an application like what you are doing because you are essentially using it for a server function. You would never want to use it for a regular client because it breaks some Panorama functions. I have seen the problem of not being able to relaunch Panorama immediately after a crash. When a crash occurs the OS normally releases all of the files the application is using, but apparently this takes a little bit of time. When a relaunch happens immediately, some files aren't ready and Panorama is unable to relaunch successfully. As for Growl, it doesn't change the way an application works -- the application has to be reprogrammed to take advantage of Growl. Some operations in Panorama do support Growl, and I highly recommend using Growl, especially for working with a server. There are a number of cases where Panorama clients operate more smoothly and give you more information about what is going on when Growl is installed. But Panorama has not been programmed to use Growl for reporting general errors. I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not, but it is one under consideration for the future. It would definitely need to be on a separate preference. Jim From jim at provue.com Tue Aug 2 13:32:26 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:32:26 -0700 Subject: Remote Syncronizing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/2/11 at 2:06 AM, JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) wrote: >I just got a whole week's worth of QnA at once. That's good news, actually. I was afraid those e-mails were permanently lost. (And if you haven't noticed it already, see my e-mail from yesterday about ProVUE server issues.) Jim From audax at wideband.net.au Tue Aug 2 15:25:38 2011 From: audax at wideband.net.au (Michael Kellock) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 08:25:38 +1000 Subject: Disk Error -37 (and -36) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9263FF5D-CD43-4C6C-BC07-CEC32BC172CC@wideband.net.au> I have had the "file in use" message frequently when testing, often when I stop a procedure part-way through. I have always been able to overcome it by quitting and restarting Panorama TWICE. michael On 03/08/2011, at 6:30 AM, James Rea wrote: > On 8/2/11 at 12:16 PM, jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) wrote: > >> Assuming your hunch is correct, Jim, does anyone know how you can tell >> the OS a file is *not* in use, even if it thinks it is? > > That's easy --- reboot the computer. > > Ok, snide answer. But as far as I know, unfortunately that is the only answer. There is no way that I know of to tell the OS that a file is not in use. The OS reserves that right to itself. From warren_rekow at speedyquick.net Tue Aug 2 16:27:16 2011 From: warren_rekow at speedyquick.net (Rekow Warren) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:27:16 -0600 Subject: 3D version of arraychange()? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0EB627BB-1642-49F9-B92F-90D1C0AF3BD1@speedyquick.net> Nested array( functions to extract cell values from a 3D array are working well. However, changing a cell value with nested arraychange( functions is puzzling. Abbreviating arraychange( as ac(, it seems like a statement to update a field value would look something like... _3Darray = ac(ac(ac(_3Darray,Snew,sht_num,"?"),Rnew,row_num,?),"new-field-value",field_num,?) where _3Darray is thought of as a stack of sheets (sep ?) and each sheet has rows (sep ?) of fields (sep ?). The puzzle is what new-values to use in place of Snew and Rnew for the sheet and row dimensions. What am I missing? Warren On Jul 28, 2011, at 4:45 PM, James Rea wrote: On 7/27/11 at 8:31 PM, warren_rekow at speedyquick.net (Rekow Warren) wrote: > There does not seem to be a Pan function or statement that makes a change to the value of a specific element within a 3-dimensional array. You should be able to do this with nested arraychange( functions. Jim From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Tue Aug 2 18:21:37 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 20:21:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: 3D version of arraychange()? In-Reply-To: <0EB627BB-1642-49F9-B92F-90D1C0AF3BD1@speedyquick.net> References: <0EB627BB-1642-49F9-B92F-90D1C0AF3BD1@speedyquick.net> Message-ID: <20110802202137.CSP36611@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> >Nested array( functions to extract cell values from a 3D array are working well. However, changing a cell value with nested arraychange( functions is puzzling. Abbreviating arraychange( as ac(, it seems like a statement to update a field value would look something like... > >_3Darray = ac(ac(ac(_3Darray,Snew,sht_num,"?"),Rnew,row_num,?),"new-field-value",field_num,?) > >where _3Darray is thought of as a stack of sheets (sep ?) and each sheet has rows (sep ?) of fields (sep ?). >The puzzle is what new-values to use in place of Snew and Rnew for the sheet and row dimensions. What am I missing? For Rnew, you would use the entire changed row. For Snew, you would use the entire changed sheet. Rnew=ac(array(array(_3Darray,sht_num,"?"),row_num,?),"new-field-value",field_num,?) Snew=ac(array(_3Darray,sht_num,"?"),Rnew,row_num,?) _3Darray=ac(_3Darray,Snew,sht_num,"?") You might just want to leave it like that, but if you want to nest functions to create a new custom function, or because you are using it as the formula in a form object, or FormulaFill, or ArrayBuild or something, then it would look like this (if I don't make any mistakes.) _3Darray=ac(_3Darray,ac(array(_3Darray,sht_num,"?"),ac(array(array(_3Darray, sht_num,"?"),row_num,?),"new-field-value",field_num,?),row_num,?), sht_num,"?") Dave From rblatchly at keene.edu Tue Aug 2 18:25:58 2011 From: rblatchly at keene.edu (Richard Blatchly) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 21:25:58 -0400 Subject: Qna Digest, Vol 43, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have found that when I hold the shift key, the vertical scrolling movements are converted to horizontal scrolling (that is, moving up with the wheel or touchpad goes left, and down goes right). I don't know if that's intentional or exactly what Kurt is looking for, but it works for me, both on system 10.5 and 10.6. As always, ymmv. Rich Blatchly On Jul 30, 2011, at 6:19 PM, qna-request at provue.com wrote: > From: James Rea > Date: July 29, 2011 11:49:57 AM EDT > To: "Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion)" > Subject: Re: Gesture Scrolling > Reply-To: "Panorama Questions & Answers \(Discussion\)" > > > On 7/29/11 at 11:16 PM, kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) wrote: > >> But HORIZONTAL gesture scrolling in the data sheet is obviously intentionally deactivated in Panorama. > > It's not intentionally deactivated, it simply doesn't work because of the major amount of work required to implement this. > > When Apple came out with the Magic mouse a few years ago they added a new scrolling mode - diagonal scrolling. This works with mouse wheels and trackpads, and allows scrolling to occur both vertically and horizontally simultaneously. > > When Panorama was first designed almost 25 years ago horizontal and vertical scrolling were two entirely separate operations. So the core code of Panorama has absolutely no capability for diagonal scrolling. I was able to get vertical scrolling for scroll wheels and trackpads to work by hooking it into Panorama's code for the vertical scroll bar. But there was nothing for diagonal scrolling to hook into, so Panorama simply ignores the horizontal component of a scroll. I assume that the Lion gesture you are referring to is passed to Panorama as a horizontal scroll, so it is ignored. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjmeyer at mac.com Wed Aug 3 00:39:11 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:39:11 +0200 Subject: Horizontal Gesture Scrolling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44410AF4-639E-4303-8657-16C7057A5CD1@mac.com> Am 27.07.2011 schrieb Jim Rea: > When Panorama was first designed almost 25 years ago horizontal and vertical scrolling were two entirely separate operations. So the core code of Panorama has absolutely no capability for diagonal scrolling. I was able to get vertical scrolling for scroll wheels and trackpads to work by hooking it into Panorama's code for the vertical scroll bar. But there was nothing for diagonal scrolling to hook into, so Panorama simply ignores the horizontal component of a scroll. I assume that the Lion gesture you are referring to is passed to Panorama as a horizontal scroll, so it is ignored. Am 03.08.2011 um 03:25 schrieb Richard Blatchly: > I have found that when I hold the shift key, the vertical scrolling movements are converted to horizontal scrolling (that is, moving up with the wheel or touchpad goes left, and down goes right). > I don't know if that's intentional or exactly what Kurt is looking for, but it works for me, both on system 10.5 and 10.6. Wow, Richard, that is amazing! I can confirm it works. Jim, it seems you HAVE hooked it somewhere, somehow. But it is a bit strange to make a vertical gesture (with the shift key pressed) to get a horizontal scroll. So I continue asking: Please, make it work without the shift key (perhaps by hooking it into the code for the horizontal scroll bar?). Best regards Kurt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yardbird at vermontel.net Wed Aug 3 06:25:51 2011 From: yardbird at vermontel.net (William Ballard) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:25:51 -0400 Subject: Dialing Out with no Modem Port Message-ID: <91E2E681-0B8A-4B59-AFB4-505833CA939D@vermontel.net> I've just stepped up to a mac mini 2,1 fro an 11-yo (gasp) PPC Dual 450MHz. I have for years dialed out using ABDialer and the modem port (while the ISP connection was ethernet modem). What's the current hardware scheme for dialing out (to the landline phone jack) with only an ethernet port? TIA Bill Ballard mac mini 2,1 2GHz ? OS 10.5.8 Panorama 6.0.0 From harbourvet at mac.com Wed Aug 3 07:40:43 2011 From: harbourvet at mac.com (John Kuttel) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 07:40:43 -0700 Subject: Dialing Out with no Modem Port In-Reply-To: <91E2E681-0B8A-4B59-AFB4-505833CA939D@vermontel.net> References: <91E2E681-0B8A-4B59-AFB4-505833CA939D@vermontel.net> Message-ID: William: I do not believe there is an answer for an ethernet port to modem. Unless you plan on establishing something like an on-line FAX service. You will need to obtain an USB modem "Dongel" that will handle the modem issue from the USB port on your new Mini. There NO-MORE modems or phone ports from Apple or on newer Apple products. There are several PC' type USB modems available and they seem to work with the Mac just fine. The white USB Apple modem "Dongel" is no longer available but you may find a few listed on Amazon. These USB "Dongels" will allow you to connect your new Apple Mini to the land-line phone lines via an USB port. Caution-here, don't buy the USB-ethernet port "Dongel", as they look very similar! Hope this helps, John at Harbourvet On Aug 3, 2011, at 6:25 AM, William Ballard wrote: > mac mini 2,1 From jim at provue.com Wed Aug 3 07:47:42 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 07:47:42 -0700 Subject: Horizontal Gesture Scrolling In-Reply-To: <44410AF4-639E-4303-8657-16C7057A5CD1@mac.com> Message-ID: On 8/3/11 at 12:39 AM, kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) wrote: >>I have found that when I hold the shift key, the vertical scrolling movements >are converted to horizontal scrolling (that is, moving up with >the wheel or touchpad goes left, and down goes right). >>I don't know if that's intentional or exactly what Kurt is looking for, but >it works for me, both on system 10.5 and 10.6. > >Wow, Richard, that is amazing! I can confirm it works. Jim, it >seems you HAVE hooked it somewhere, somehow. I'm sorry, I thought you were aware of this. This is a standard capability for scroll wheels, many programs do this and it was added to Panorama a couple of releases ago. However, this is not the feature you want -- you can scroll vertically, or horizontally, but not diagonally. That is where Panorama really isn't set up to handle it. >Alfred Scott wrote: >This is very easy to do using carbon events and getting events >'manually' and it's the only way I deal with events in the drawing >tools in WildTools. > >How this would fit into the overall event processing in Panorama is an >entirely different matter. I have a ToolLoop class for all this. I'd >be happy to share this with you if you're interested. Yes, thanks, please share this with me off list. Jim Rea From kjmeyer at mac.com Wed Aug 3 08:30:03 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:30:03 +0200 Subject: Horizontal Gesture Scrolling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C732F6-327F-4CB4-9729-E41A8B0A7199@mac.com> Am 03.08.2011 um 16:47 schrieb James Rea: > However, this is not the feature you want -- you can scroll vertically, or horizontally, but not diagonally. That is where Panorama really isn't set up to handle it. Jim, on my wish list, there is only horizontal (not diagonal) scrolling by a gesture. I really do not worry about diagonal scrolling, I just want to be able to scroll horizontally ? analog to how I do vertical scrolling: with a gesture. Vertical scrolling in Panorama works by simply wiping with two fingers up or down. Why should it not be possible to realize that feature for the horizontal scrollbar, too, in order to let the user wipe with 2 fingers horizontally through the data columns? I am wondering why this is so much more difficult in Panorama than in other applications that use a spreadsheet layout (Numbers, Excel). In Excel I watch this: When I start wiping, obviously there is a decision made (I do not know who is deciding: OS X or the application): Is the main direction of the wipe more vertical or horizontal? There is NO diagonal scrolling in Excel, it is always one or the other. Once the other direction gets stronger during the wipe, the scroll direction is changed (e.g. from vertical to horizontal). Kurt From JC at JamesCook.biz Wed Aug 3 09:09:48 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:09:48 -0400 Subject: Special Page Options Message-ID: Can anyone else verify that Special Page Options do or don't work? While trying to help someone else print DayRunner pages, rather than three "sub-pages", we can only get a jumble of overprinted text - or a perpetually spinning beachball. -- James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web From jim at provue.com Wed Aug 3 09:25:39 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:25:39 -0700 Subject: Horizontal Gesture Scrolling In-Reply-To: <48C732F6-327F-4CB4-9729-E41A8B0A7199@mac.com> Message-ID: On 8/3/11 at 8:30 AM, kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) wrote: >In Excel I watch this: When I start wiping, obviously there is >a decision made (I do not know who is deciding: OS X or the >application): Is the main direction of the wipe more vertical >or horizontal? There is NO diagonal scrolling in Excel, it is >always one or the other. Once the other direction gets stronger >during the wipe, the scroll direction is changed (e.g. from >vertical to horizontal). That's interesting, I was not aware Excel worked that way. It definitely must be Excel making that decision -- OS X assumes that applications can scroll diagonally and sends simultaneous x and y drag coordinates. Jim From warren_rekow at speedyquick.net Wed Aug 3 10:14:13 2011 From: warren_rekow at speedyquick.net (Rekow Warren) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:14:13 -0600 Subject: 3D version of arraychange()? In-Reply-To: <20110802202137.CSP36611@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> References: <0EB627BB-1642-49F9-B92F-90D1C0AF3BD1@speedyquick.net> <20110802202137.CSP36611@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <7910FBC8-9B08-4BC8-B44E-A30D698A8C80@speedyquick.net> Dave, many thanks! :-) Clearly a statement to make changes to an array having more than 3 dimensions would be ponderous at best. Perhaps someday another function similar to arraychange() except for use with multidimensional arrays could be created. It might look something like... newarraychange(target_array,new_value,item_num_list,sep_char_list) where number of elements in item_num_list = number of elements in sep_char_list, both ? number of dimensions in target_array. Warren On Aug 2, 2011, at 7:21 PM, David Thompson wrote: > Nested array( functions to extract cell values from a 3D array are working well. However, changing a cell value with nested arraychange( functions is puzzling. Abbreviating arraychange( as ac(, it seems like a statement to update a field value would look something like... > > _3Darray = ac(ac(ac(_3Darray,Snew,sht_num,"?"),Rnew,row_num,?),"new-field-value",field_num,?) > > where _3Darray is thought of as a stack of sheets (sep ?) and each sheet has rows (sep ?) of fields (sep ?). > The puzzle is what new-values to use in place of Snew and Rnew for the sheet and row dimensions. What am I missing? For Rnew, you would use the entire changed row. For Snew, you would use the entire changed sheet. Rnew=ac(array(array(_3Darray,sht_num,"?"),row_num,?),"new-field-value",field_num,?) Snew=ac(array(_3Darray,sht_num,"?"),Rnew,row_num,?) _3Darray=ac(_3Darray,Snew,sht_num,"?") You might just want to leave it like that, but if you want to nest functions to create a new custom function, or because you are using it as the formula in a form object, or FormulaFill, or ArrayBuild or something, then it would look like this (if I don't make any mistakes.) _3Darray=ac(_3Darray,ac(array(_3Darray,sht_num,"?"),ac(array(array(_3Darray, sht_num,"?"),row_num,?),"new-field-value",field_num,?),row_num,?), sht_num,"?") Dave From skane-l at skaneco.com Wed Aug 3 16:48:05 2011 From: skane-l at skaneco.com (Steve Kane) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:48:05 -0500 Subject: Dialing Out with no Modem Port In-Reply-To: <91E2E681-0B8A-4B59-AFB4-505833CA939D@vermontel.net> References: <91E2E681-0B8A-4B59-AFB4-505833CA939D@vermontel.net> Message-ID: On the IOMUG list a fellow named Randy Singer, who publishes the website macattorney.com, posted, in March of this year, the following two modems as being Mac compatible: Zoom V.92 USB Mini External 56K Voice Faxmodem for Win, Mac, Linux http://www.zoom.com/products/dial_up_external_usb.html U.S. Robotics 56K* USB Faxmodem http://www.usr.com/products/modem/modem-product.asp?sku=USR5637 In previous postings, which I can't find right now, Randy has indicated that other usb modems may not be Mac compatible. I don't know if this situation has changed. BTW, macattorney.com/ts is a good source of information on Mac maintenance and troubleshooting. On Aug 3, 2011, at 8:25 AM, William Ballard wrote: > I've just stepped up to a mac mini 2,1 fro an 11-yo (gasp) PPC Dual 450MHz. I have for years dialed out using ABDialer and the modem port (while the ISP connection was ethernet modem). > > What's the current hardware scheme for dialing out (to the landline phone jack) with only an ethernet port? > > TIA > > Bill Ballard > > mac mini 2,1 2GHz ? OS 10.5.8 > Panorama 6.0.0 > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From robert at ameeti.net Wed Aug 3 16:54:10 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:54:10 -0700 Subject: Dialing Out with no Modem Port In-Reply-To: References: <91E2E681-0B8A-4B59-AFB4-505833CA939D@vermontel.net> Message-ID: At 6:48 PM -0500, 8/3/11, Steve Kane wrote: >On the IOMUG list a fellow named Randy Singer, >who publishes the website macattorney.com, >posted, in March of this year, the following two >modems as being Mac compatible: > >Zoom V.92 USB Mini External 56K Voice Faxmodem for Win, Mac, Linux >http://www.zoom.com/products/dial_up_external_usb.html > >U.S. Robotics 56K* USB Faxmodem >http://www.usr.com/products/modem/modem-product.asp?sku=USR5637 > >In previous postings, which I can't find right >now, Randy has indicated that other usb modems >may not be Mac compatible. I don't know if this >situation has changed. > >BTW, macattorney.com/ts is a good source of >information on Mac maintenance and >troubleshooting. > > >On Aug 3, 2011, at 8:25 AM, William Ballard wrote: > >> I've just stepped up to a mac mini 2,1 Given that the Mac mini that you stepped up to is a Mid 2007 model, you can make use of Apple's USB modem. I happen to have 1 unopened as yet (if I can find it) > fro an 11-yo (gasp) PPC Dual 450MHz. I have for >years dialed out using ABDialer and the modem >port (while the ISP connection was ethernet >modem). >> > > What's the current hardware scheme for >dialing out (to the landline phone jack) with >only an ethernet port? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist Too many clicks spoil the browse. <><><><><><><><><><><><> From photographer at thegoldenthread.net Tue Aug 2 04:20:09 2011 From: photographer at thegoldenthread.net (David Groover) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 07:20:09 -0400 Subject: icon in text line Message-ID: <4E37DD69.4000408@thegoldenthread.net> I have a list of files associated with a record. I have many file types in the list. I would like to place an icon of the file type at the start of the text line (file name, date last modified). I see see apps where there is a tiny b&w text styled icon that can show, seemingly in a text line. Is there a way to do this with Panorama? If not I will put in a letter code to tell the file type, but those are not just 4 letters anymore. Sure, I Can account for the spaces if a file as 4 letters or 6 in the file type, but then the list isn't as tight and ordered. A small icon would be much better. Any tips? Thanks. And FWIW my list emails have been messed up for quite some time now. I can post and I get an auto response that my message has posted. I can still see all replies so this is "good enough", but I cannot see my actual message after it posts, which is not as it used to be. If I can see this message after I post to the list, then I would truly say that the list is 100% working again from this users perspective. Again, my sincere thanks. David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yardbird at vermontel.net Thu Aug 4 09:03:09 2011 From: yardbird at vermontel.net (William Ballard) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:03:09 -0400 Subject: Dialing Out with no Modem Port In-Reply-To: References: <91E2E681-0B8A-4B59-AFB4-505833CA939D@vermontel.net> Message-ID: Thanks to all for your replies. Many good resources here. On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:54 PM, Robert Ameeti wrote: > Given that the Mac mini that you stepped up to is a Mid 2007 model, > you can make use of Apple's USB modem. > I happen to have 1 unopened as yet (if I can find it) This is the soft-white body, off the Apple product list in SEP '09, right? eBay has a few for sale, generally free shipping to U.S. from Hong Kong, at roughly half the price of the Zoom(http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Zoom%20Telephonics/30950000G/ ). Let me know when you find it, and what you want for it. Your shipping time will definitely beat out anything from Hong Kong! I'm assuming that, as with the dialmodem set-up I did for ABDialer in Pan 5.5, Pan 6.0's channel will be able to find a modem which is not built-in hardware, but connected via USB. (When I upgraded to 6.0 on the PPC, modem dialing was right there waiting for me. So the channel exists now, just waiting to be shown the USB modem.) Again, many thanks, Bill Ballard, Piano Technician Beautiful Southern Vermont. From jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us Thu Aug 4 09:04:29 2011 From: jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:04:29 -0400 Subject: Selecting records which match a formula. Message-ID: <4319A3AD-731C-48B2-968D-EDF634770BE7@state.ga.weo.us> Here's the scenario... my "Location" field is separated by spaces. I want to select all records where the Location field has one or more array elements which are two characters long, but at least one of which doesn't equal "DC". For example: "Alabama cn Michigan" would be selected. BUT, "Alabama DC Michigan" would not be selected. BUT THEN, "Alabama cn DC Michigan" would still be selected. I know how to use ArrayFilter( to process array elements individually, but don't know how to select records based upon a formula applied to each individual element in each record's space-delimited array. Is there a quick and easy way to do this I just haven't learned yet? - Jeff From gary at yonaites.com Thu Aug 4 09:37:30 2011 From: gary at yonaites.com (Gary Yonaites) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:37:30 -0700 Subject: Selecting records which match a formula. In-Reply-To: <4319A3AD-731C-48B2-968D-EDF634770BE7@state.ga.weo.us> References: <4319A3AD-731C-48B2-968D-EDF634770BE7@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: <3131104F-A176-4479-BEDE-12E75D65AB68@yonaites.com> You can try a Formula Find/Select with this formula: arraysearch(replace(Location,"DC",""),"??",1," ") This first removes any "DC" from the search text in Location and then sees if there is a two character element in the remaining text. If this comes back true, the record is selected. Gary gary at yonaites.com On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Jeff Gold wrote: > Here's the scenario... my "Location" field is separated by spaces. > > I want to select all records where the Location field has one or more array elements which are two characters long, but at least one of which doesn't equal "DC". > > For example: > > "Alabama cn Michigan" would be selected. > > BUT, "Alabama DC Michigan" would not be selected. > > BUT THEN, "Alabama cn DC Michigan" would still be selected. > > I know how to use ArrayFilter( to process array elements individually, but don't know how to select records based upon a formula applied to each individual element in each record's space-delimited array. > > Is there a quick and easy way to do this I just haven't learned yet? > > - Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From kjmeyer at mac.com Thu Aug 4 09:45:33 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 18:45:33 +0200 Subject: icon in text line In-Reply-To: <4E37DD69.4000408@thegoldenthread.net> References: <4E37DD69.4000408@thegoldenthread.net> Message-ID: <22845C84-0100-4B9B-8B3A-5AC13624BBD2@mac.com> Am 02.08.2011 um 13:20 schrieb David Groover: > I have a list of files associated with a record. I have many file types in the list. I would like to place an icon of the file type at the start of the text line (file name, date last modified). > > I see see apps where there is a tiny b&w text styled icon that can show, seemingly in a text line. Is there a way to do this with Panorama? If not I will put in a letter code to tell the file type, but those are not just 4 letters anymore. Sure, I Can account for the spaces if a file as 4 letters or 6 in the file type, but then the list isn't as tight and ordered. A small icon would be much better. > > Any tips? Put the icons (e.g. all as .jpg files) in a folder (e.g. named "Icons") within the folder containing the database. Set up the FASO to "Include Pictures on Disk" an write something like this into the FASO's formula field: folderpath(dbinfo("Folder",""))+"Icons:"+YourFileTypeField+".jpg" Take care your icons are named like the file types in your database field. Kurt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert at ameeti.net Thu Aug 4 12:11:48 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:11:48 -0700 Subject: Creating Permanent variables on the fly within a procedure Message-ID: After obtaining user input, I then want to create a Permanent variable based on their input obtaining it from the clipboard. Something like this within a procedure: GetScrap "What name should we use?" Permanent "p" + Clipboard() But of course this does not work as the compiler is looking for something like this: Permanent pResponse What is the correct syntax for this? Thanks from a burned out mind working too much. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist In a few minutes a computer can make a mistake so great that it would have taken many men many months to equal it. -- Unknown <><><><><><><><><><><><> From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Thu Aug 4 12:17:04 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:17:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Creating Permanent variables on the fly within a procedure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110804141704.CSQ44966@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> >After obtaining user input, I then want to create >a Permanent variable based on their input >obtaining it from the clipboard. > >Something like this within a procedure: > > > >GetScrap "What name should we use?" >Permanent "p" + Clipboard() > > >But of course this does not work as the compiler >is looking for something like this: > >Permanent pResponse > > > >What is the correct syntax for this? > Execute "Permanent P"+clipboard() Dave From robert at ameeti.net Thu Aug 4 14:09:44 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:09:44 -0700 Subject: MakeNewProcedure - Is there a DeleteProcedure ? Message-ID: We can create procedures on the fly with MakeNewProcedure. Is there any way to delete a procedure procedurally? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist If we do not succeed, we run the risk of failure. <><><><><><><><><><><><> From gary at yonaites.com Thu Aug 4 15:54:23 2011 From: gary at yonaites.com (Gary Yonaites) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 15:54:23 -0700 Subject: MakeNewProcedure - Is there a DeleteProcedure ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Probably the closest you can come would be to remove the procedure text and leave it blank. openprocedure "MyProcedure" setproceduretext "" Gary gary at yonaites.com On Aug 4, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Robert Ameeti wrote: > We can create procedures on the fly with MakeNewProcedure. > > Is there any way to delete a procedure procedurally? > > > -- > > <><><><><><><><><><><><> > Robert Ameeti - ePro? > MailTo:robert at ameeti.net > (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 > PC & Mac computer specialist > > If we do not succeed, we run the risk of failure. > > <><><><><><><><><><><><> > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From pluckberry at hughes.net Thu Aug 4 07:04:15 2011 From: pluckberry at hughes.net (Martin Henze) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 10:04:15 -0400 Subject: Dialing Out with no Modem Port In-Reply-To: References: <91E2E681-0B8A-4B59-AFB4-505833CA939D@vermontel.net> Message-ID: I can confirm that the Zoom works just fine, much better than the Apple. I get faster, more reliable connections with the Zoom and it also works well with Windows on Parallels. The Apple does not. Martin At 4:54 PM -0700 8/3/11, Robert Ameeti wrote: >At 6:48 PM -0500, 8/3/11, Steve Kane wrote: > >>On the IOMUG list a fellow named Randy Singer, >>who publishes the website macattorney.com, >>posted, in March of this year, the following >>two modems as being Mac compatible: >> >>Zoom V.92 USB Mini External 56K Voice Faxmodem for Win, Mac, Linux >>http://www.zoom.com/products/dial_up_external_usb.html >> >>U.S. Robotics 56K* USB Faxmodem >>http://www.usr.com/products/modem/modem-product.asp?sku=USR5637 >> >>In previous postings, which I can't find right >>now, Randy has indicated that other usb modems >>may not be Mac compatible. I don't know if this >>situation has changed. >> >>BTW, macattorney.com/ts is a good source of >>information on Mac maintenance and >>troubleshooting. >> >> >>On Aug 3, 2011, at 8:25 AM, William Ballard wrote: >> >>> I've just stepped up to a mac mini 2,1 > > > >Given that the Mac mini that you stepped up to >is a Mid 2007 model, you can make use of Apple's >USB modem. > >I happen to have 1 unopened as yet (if I can find it) > >> fro an 11-yo (gasp) PPC Dual 450MHz. I have >>for years dialed out using ABDialer and the >>modem port (while the ISP connection was >>ethernet modem). >>> >> > What's the current hardware scheme for >>dialing out (to the landline phone jack) with >>only an ethernet port? > >-- > ><><><><><><><><><><><><> >Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net >(949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 >PC & Mac computer specialist > >Too many clicks spoil the browse. ><><><><><><><><><><><><> >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -- Martin Henze Email: martin at martinhenze.com Office: 540-937-7025 Mobile: 540-551-2155 From qnaweb at provue.com Fri Aug 5 16:20:26 2011 From: qnaweb at provue.com (Steve Middleton) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Secret Windows Message-ID: <20110805232026.36A9F6755D5@provue.com> Hello All, If I open a file with OpenSecret, then bring it to the front with Window "Shipping:Secret" can I then switch to a new form to use for printing? I am trying to do this with goform but i am getting the hunter error. I want to print from a different file with out the screen flash. Thanks From qnaweb at provue.com Fri Aug 5 16:37:52 2011 From: qnaweb at provue.com (Steve Middleton) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Secret Windows Message-ID: <20110805233752.B62BD675720@provue.com> Hello All, If I open a file with OpenSecret, then bring it to the front with Window "Shipping:Secret" can I then switch to a new form to use for printing? I am trying to do this with goform but i am getting the hunter error. I want to print from a different file with out the screen flash. Thanks From qnaweb at provue.com Fri Aug 5 17:01:04 2011 From: qnaweb at provue.com (Steve Middleton) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 17:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TESO Message-ID: <20110806000104.AAE3F675A2C@provue.com> I would like a TESO with a variable for the data to behave like a date field which would allow entries of Today or Next Tuesday and then assign the variable the date value. Is this doable? Thanks From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Fri Aug 5 17:18:22 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 19:18:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Secret Windows In-Reply-To: <20110805233752.B62BD675720@provue.com> References: <20110805233752.B62BD675720@provue.com> Message-ID: <20110805191822.CSR07762@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> >If I open a file with OpenSecret, then bring it to the front with Window "Shipping:Secret" can I then switch to a new form to use for printing? I am trying to do this with goform but i am getting the hunter error. > You can use OpenForm to open a new window with that form in it. GoForm puts the form into the existing window. Since there is no existing window to put it into, it's not surprising that it crashes. >I want to print from a different file with out the screen flash. > Using OpenForm after the Window "Shipping:Secret" would get you to that form directly, without any intermediate window flashing by. If that's all you want, that should do it for you. If you are trying to keep the Shipping file secret while printing, that wouldn't be the answer. I've never done it, so I have no idea whether it would work, but you might try PrintUsingForm after making the file active in a secret window. If it works, that should keep the Shipping file secret. Dave From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Fri Aug 5 17:35:21 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 19:35:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: TESO In-Reply-To: <20110806000104.AAE3F675A2C@provue.com> References: <20110806000104.AAE3F675A2C@provue.com> Message-ID: <20110805193521.CSR08011@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> >I would like a TESO with a variable for the data to behave like a date field which would allow entries of Today or Next Tuesday and then assign the variable the date value. Is this doable? > You could produce this effect with two variables. The TESO would display one variable, and a procedure that was triggered by data entry would assign a value to the other. SecondVariable = date(FirstVariable) FirstVariable = datepattern(SecondVariable, "") ShowVariables FirstVariable That would leave the second variable containing a date that could be used in date arithmetic, and it would leave the TESO displaying that date in Panorama's default format for dates. You could also use a pattern of your own in the datepattern( function, if you prefer a different format. Dave From cwfrymire at modernminstrel.com Fri Aug 5 17:50:53 2011 From: cwfrymire at modernminstrel.com (Chris Frymire) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 19:50:53 -0500 Subject: Secret Windows In-Reply-To: <20110805232026.36A9F6755D5@provue.com> Message-ID: I use printusingform quite a bit, unfortunately you must have an open visible window, ie. Not a secret window, active when you issue the printusingform command. When I need to print from a database, but do not want any visible data, I create a small "printing, please wait" or some such dialog and open that first, issue the printusingform command and then close the dialog. Also, you must print the form once while visible to set the print parameters before using it in a printusingform command. On 8/5/11 6:20 PM, "Steve Middleton" wrote: > Hello All, > > If I open a file with OpenSecret, then bring it to the front with Window > "Shipping:Secret" can I then switch to a new form to use for printing? I am > trying to do this with goform but i am getting the hunter error. > > I want to print from a different file with out the screen flash. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From robert at ameeti.net Sat Aug 6 11:15:51 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 11:15:51 -0700 Subject: Secret Windows In-Reply-To: <20110805191822.CSR07762@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> References: <20110805233752.B62BD675720@provue.com> <20110805191822.CSR07762@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: At 7:18 PM -0500, 8/5/11, David Thompson wrote: > >If I open a file with OpenSecret, then bring >it to the front with Window "Shipping:Secret" >can I then switch to a new form to use for >printing? I am trying to do this with goform >but i am getting the hunter error. >> > >You can use OpenForm to open a new window with >that form in it. GoForm puts the form into the >existing window. Since there is no existing >window to put it into, it's not surprising that >it crashes. I'd rather that a program doesn't crash or at least that there should be no excuse for a program to crash. Really. My experience yesterday was another unfun moment with Secret Windows. I had a database open other files with OpenSecret in the .Initialize procedure so that the other files could be opened in Secret, not clog up the Window menu, but still be used for lookups. All was fine on my computer. But when I shared these files through Panorama Enterprise, another computer would crash when this .Initialize procedure ran. I then changed the procedure back to OpenFile "FileName" Window "Hide This Window" and all was fine. No crash on the remote computer. The file does now show up in the Window menu but at least the computer won't crash when opening another file via the .Initialize command. I've unfortunately not had much fun with the Secret command. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it. -- Mae West <><><><><><><><><><><><> From qnaweb at provue.com Sat Aug 6 14:30:03 2011 From: qnaweb at provue.com (Steve Middleton) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Data Button Super Object Message-ID: <20110806213003.E6FC16856DB@provue.com> Hello, I have a Data Button Super Object (DBSO) that will trigger a procedure that can change the DBSO value. The DBSO is not a radio button and the value of the button when selected is "Yes". When my procedure is done running and the DBSO started out to be "checked" and the procedure reassigns the variable to "" the DBSO is still staying "Checked". I am using the showvariables statement but the DBSO is staying "Checked" Thoughts? Thanks From gary at yonaites.com Sat Aug 6 15:30:59 2011 From: gary at yonaites.com (Gary Yonaites) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:30:59 -0700 Subject: Data Button Super Object In-Reply-To: <20110806213003.E6FC16856DB@provue.com> References: <20110806213003.E6FC16856DB@provue.com> Message-ID: <1492F862-1D4F-4151-8FD2-0A60EFD7856B@yonaites.com> Check to see if the value you assigned the Button Value in the DBSO is entered properly. You do not put quotes around the value (it should be Yes and not "Yes"). I tried it with the quotes and got the same result as you are having, but then without the quotes it worked fine. Gary gary at yonaites.com On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Steve Middleton wrote: > Hello, > > I have a Data Button Super Object (DBSO) that will trigger a procedure that can change the DBSO value. > > The DBSO is not a radio button and the value of the button when selected is "Yes". When my procedure is done running and the DBSO started out to be "checked" and the procedure reassigns the variable to "" the DBSO is still staying "Checked". > > I am using the showvariables statement but the DBSO is staying "Checked" > > Thoughts? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From audax at wideband.net.au Sat Aug 6 16:29:18 2011 From: audax at wideband.net.au (Michael Kellock) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 09:29:18 +1000 Subject: Secret Windows In-Reply-To: References: <20110805233752.B62BD675720@provue.com> <20110805191822.CSR07762@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: The Secret Windows family of commands must have some intrinsic fault - they have been the single biggest cause of Hunter errors in my experience with Panorama. Some years back, I was able to trigger a Hunter error at will by doing the "wrong" thing with them and I now avoid them. I use the ZoomWindow command to shrink the active window and tuck it away in a corner of the screen. michael On 07/08/2011, at 4:15 AM, Robert Ameeti wrote: > > I'd rather that a program doesn't crash or at least that there should be no excuse for a program to crash. Really. > > My experience yesterday was another unfun moment with Secret Windows. I had a database open other files with OpenSecret in the .Initialize procedure so that the other files could be opened in Secret, not clog up the Window menu, but still be used for lookups. All was fine on my computer. But when I shared these files through Panorama Enterprise, another computer would crash when this .Initialize procedure ran. I then changed the procedure back to OpenFile "FileName" Window "Hide This Window" and all was fine. No crash on the remote computer. The file does now show up in the Window menu but at least the computer won't crash when opening another file via the .Initialize command. > > I've unfortunately not had much fun with the Secret command. From qnaweb at provue.com Sun Aug 7 13:39:18 2011 From: qnaweb at provue.com (Steve Middleton) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Post Message-ID: <20110807203918.22085696148@provue.com> Is there a limit to the number of fields that can be posted to in the Post Statement? From kjmeyer at mac.com Sun Aug 7 14:02:35 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 23:02:35 +0200 Subject: Post In-Reply-To: <20110807203918.22085696148@provue.com> References: <20110807203918.22085696148@provue.com> Message-ID: <85C633D3-2BB5-4BA4-A7BC-96B832F26E22@mac.com> Am 07.08.2011 um 22:39 schrieb Steve Middleton: > Is there a limit to the number of fields that can be posted to in the Post Statement? No. Panorama Reference for the POST statementsays: You may post as many data values to as many fields as you wish. They will all be posted to the same record. From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Sun Aug 7 14:17:34 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:17:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Post In-Reply-To: <20110807203918.22085696148@provue.com> References: <20110807203918.22085696148@provue.com> Message-ID: <20110807161734.CSR57606@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Only if there is a limit to the number of parameters a statement can have. I expect there will be, but it will be a large number. When Panorama registers a custom statement, that has a fixed number of parameters, I think it is limited to a count of 255 parameters. When there are optional parameters, as there are here, no parameter count is registered, but Panorama still has to address the parameter by number, so there would still be a limit based on the number of bits allocated to that number. I wouldn't count on more than 255 parameters without testing first. 255 parameters would limit you to 125 fields you could post to in a single statement. Dave ---- Original message ---- >Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:39:18 -0700 (PDT) >From: qnaweb at provue.com (Steve Middleton) >Subject: Post >To: qna at provue.com > >Is there a limit to the number of fields that can be posted to in the Post Statement? >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From steve at tlwsolutions.com Sun Aug 7 14:40:46 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 17:40:46 -0400 Subject: Post In-Reply-To: <20110807161734.CSR57606@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> References: <20110807203918.22085696148@provue.com> <20110807161734.CSR57606@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: Thank you David and Kurt. Much appreciated. On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 5:17 PM, David Thompson wrote: > Only if there is a limit to the number of parameters a statement can have. > I expect there will be, but it will be a large number. > > When Panorama registers a custom statement, that has a fixed number of > parameters, I think it is limited to a count of 255 parameters. When there > are optional parameters, as there are here, no parameter count is > registered, but Panorama still has to address the parameter by number, so > there would still be a limit based on the number of bits allocated to that > number. 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I am using a supermatrix to display the array. 1?None?Element3?element4?element5 2?None?Element3?element4?element5 I want to replace the second item, "none" in the array line that I clicked in the supermatrix. It could be the first "record", second, etc. I am assuming each return delimited line is a record. I hope this makes sense. I have been programming all day and my brain is tired. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Local theRecord theRecord = array(theArray,info("MatrixRow"),cr()) theRecord=arraychange(theRecord,"Element2",2,"?") theArray=arraychange(theArray,theRecord,info("MatrixRow"),cr()) ShowVariables theArray Dave From samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net Mon Aug 8 08:53:19 2011 From: samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net (Sam Rutherford) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:53:19 -0500 Subject: permanent variable not available Message-ID: <3F9B571F-775E-4C6D-87A5-5C2AB7FF1F2E@musiccitymetals.net> I have a db with a permanent variable called info. The db has a procedure called 'refresh data' which is supposed to update this variable then replace the data in the db with data in a text file. However, this procedure fails at the line: info = datavalue(D) + chr(124) + datavalue(B) + chr(124) + datavalue(C) + chr(124) + datavalue(A) and presents the message: 'Destination field or variable does not exist: info' The variable does exist. dbinfo('permanent', '') returns its name. Why does this happen? ________________________________________________________________ Sam Rutherford Music City Metals 615/255-4481 samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net From JC at JamesCook.biz Mon Aug 8 09:40:16 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:40:16 -0400 Subject: Reports In-Reply-To: <20110807231754.19E43696D39@provue.com> References: <20110807231754.19E43696D39@provue.com> Message-ID: At 4:17 PM -0700 8/7/11, Steve Middleton wrote: >Is there a simple way to alternate the background of a reports line items in 2 different colors? > >I have an invoice that each line item is a separate record grouped by invoice number. I want to alternate the background color for the line data items gray and white. I thought people would be all over this so I didn't post earlier. Create Flash Art of one or both of the background colors you want. Then use a Flash Art object as the background for your tile and use a formula: ?(str(seq()/2) contains ".5","dark","light") -- James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web From JC at JamesCook.biz Mon Aug 8 09:50:17 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:50:17 -0400 Subject: permanent variable not available In-Reply-To: <3F9B571F-775E-4C6D-87A5-5C2AB7FF1F2E@musiccitymetals.net> References: <3F9B571F-775E-4C6D-87A5-5C2AB7FF1F2E@musiccitymetals.net> Message-ID: I suspect that the error is actually being setup somewhere earlier in your procedure. If you're running the procedure with another db active, the permanent is not available to it as a global would be. Permanents should be loaded into globals when multiple databases are involved. What you've provided here does work, BUT I'd rename that variable if I were you. There are numerous info( functions in Panorama and the potential for errors and confusion is high. Consider using a naming convention for your variables. My own convention is to provide a prefix for the type of variable: pv, gv fg, lv and so on. Then I append the individual variable's name starting with a capital letter to help it stand out a bit. For me, your info would become something like pvInfo as a permanent. At 10:53 AM -0500 8/8/11, Sam Rutherford wrote: >I have a db with a permanent variable called info. > >The db has a procedure called 'refresh data' which is supposed to update this variable then replace the data in the db with data in a text file. > >However, this procedure fails at the line: >info = datavalue(D) + chr(124) + datavalue(B) + chr(124) + datavalue(C) + > chr(124) + datavalue(A) >and presents the message: 'Destination field or variable does not exist: info' > >The variable does exist. dbinfo('permanent', '') returns its name. -- James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web From jim at provue.com Mon Aug 8 10:28:13 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:28:13 -0700 Subject: Reports In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/8/11 at 9:40 AM, JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) wrote: >I thought people would be all over this so I didn't post earlier. Me too! >Create Flash Art of one or both of the background colors you >want. Then use a Flash Art object as the background for your >tile and use a formula: ?(str(seq()/2) contains ".5","dark","light") My take is almost the same, but I would suggest using a Super Flash Art object and using the option to directly display a color -- no image required. See page 761 of the Panorama Handbook. Jim From steve at tlwsolutions.com Mon Aug 8 12:19:07 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 15:19:07 -0400 Subject: Reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So how would the formula change for a data tile? I have it working with a super matrix object with this "%%"+?(info("MatrixCell") mod 2,"FFFFFF","E6E6E6") Steve On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 1:28 PM, James Rea wrote: > On 8/8/11 at 9:40 AM, JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) wrote: > > I thought people would be all over this so I didn't post earlier. >> > > Me too! > > > Create Flash Art of one or both of the background colors you want. Then >> use a Flash Art object as the background for your tile and use a formula: >> ?(str(seq()/2) contains ".5","dark","light") >> > > My take is almost the same, but I would suggest using a Super Flash Art > object and using the option to directly display a color -- no image > required. See page 761 of the Panorama Handbook. > > Jim > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/**listinfo/qna > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JC at JamesCook.biz Mon Aug 8 12:36:34 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 15:36:34 -0400 Subject: Reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:19 PM -0400 8/8/11, steve middleton wrote: >So how would the formula change for a data tile? > >I have it working with a super matrix object with this "%%"+?(info("MatrixCell") mod 2,"FFFFFF","E6E6E6") I referred to it as Flash Art earlier, but I meant Super Flash Art as Jim Rea referred to it. Just use this formula: ?(str(seq()/2) contains ".5", "%%FFFFFF","%%E6E6E6") -- James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web From steve at tlwsolutions.com Mon Aug 8 12:57:45 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 15:57:45 -0400 Subject: Reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Works beautifully. This example needs to be included in the documentation. Thank you. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 3:36 PM, James Cook wrote: > At 3:19 PM -0400 8/8/11, steve middleton wrote: > >So how would the formula change for a data tile? > > > >I have it working with a super matrix object with this > "%%"+?(info("MatrixCell") mod 2,"FFFFFF","E6E6E6") > > > I referred to it as Flash Art earlier, but I meant Super Flash Art as Jim > Rea referred to it. Just use this formula: > > ?(str(seq()/2) contains ".5", "%%FFFFFF","%%E6E6E6") > > > -- > James Cook > JC at JamesCook.biz > > Founder of HindSight Ltd. > http://HSLtd.us > > Panorama Tutoring > Custom Panorama Applications > Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If it's OK to add the duplicated record to the end of the database, you can put it in a variable, and then import and append from the variable. Local theRecord theRecord = exportline() OpenFile "+ at theRecord" Dave From samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net Mon Aug 8 16:06:03 2011 From: samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net (Sam Rutherford) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:06:03 -0500 Subject: permanent variable not available In-Reply-To: References: <3F9B571F-775E-4C6D-87A5-5C2AB7FF1F2E@musiccitymetals.net> Message-ID: That makes perfect sense. Thanks. ________________________________________________________________ On Aug 8, 2011, at 11:50 AM, James Cook wrote: > > I suspect that the error is actually being setup somewhere earlier in your procedure. If you're running the procedure with another db active, the permanent is not available to it as a global would be. Permanents should be loaded into globals when multiple databases are involved. > > What you've provided here does work, BUT I'd rename that variable if I were you. There are numerous info( functions in Panorama and the potential for errors and confusion is high. Consider using a naming convention for your variables. > > My own convention is to provide a prefix for the type of variable: pv, gv fg, lv and so on. Then I append the individual variable's name starting with a capital letter to help it stand out a bit. For me, your info would become something like pvInfo as a permanent. > > > At 10:53 AM -0500 8/8/11, Sam Rutherford wrote: >> I have a db with a permanent variable called info. >> >> The db has a procedure called 'refresh data' which is supposed to update this variable then replace the data in the db with data in a text file. >> >> However, this procedure fails at the line: >> info = datavalue(D) + chr(124) + datavalue(B) + chr(124) + datavalue(C) + >> chr(124) + datavalue(A) >> and presents the message: 'Destination field or variable does not exist: info' >> >> The variable does exist. dbinfo('permanent', '') returns its name. > > > -- > James Cook > JC at JamesCook.biz > > Founder of HindSight Ltd. > http://HSLtd.us > > Panorama Tutoring > Custom Panorama Applications > Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > ________________________________________________________________ Sam Rutherford Music City Metals 615/255-4481 samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net From steve at tlwsolutions.com Tue Aug 9 13:25:55 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:25:55 -0400 Subject: Summary Records Message-ID: Is it possible to create summary records via a procedure and fill it with a value? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net Tue Aug 9 14:17:04 2011 From: cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 14:17:04 -0700 Subject: Summary Records In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89F19D38-0819-4697-8D61-EF52263686F5@qwestoffice.net> Not sure if you want to fill with a particular value, but, yes, it is possible. group records by city, then fill summary records with 'count' so produce summary records which show the count of your grouping. Subtotals for numeric fields will also fill summary records, or an average, maximum, etc. Craig McPherson On Aug 9, 2011, at 1:25 PM, steve middleton wrote: > Is it possible to create summary records via a procedure and fill it with a value? _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Tue Aug 9 14:39:56 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:39:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Summary Records In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110809163956.CSS65006@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> > Is it possible to create summary records via a procedure and > fill it with a value? As Craig mentioned, Group, GroupUp, and GroupDown automatically create summary records for the groups. The SummaryLevel, and ToggleSummaryLevel commands can be used to convert a data record into a summary record, so if you have a need to create a summary record without grouping, you can use AddRecord, InsertRecord, or InsertBelow, as appropriate, and then ToggleSummaryLevel or SummaryLevel 1 Dave From nacnuddd at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 00:34:10 2011 From: nacnuddd at gmail.com (David Duncan) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:34:10 +1000 Subject: Supergettext gotcha Message-ID: Just discovered the hard way an unexpected and, so far as I can see, undocumented limitation with this statement. It only returns the text entered when the default (highlighted) button is clicked, and returns a null if other buttons are clicked. This means that the option of enabling two or three buttons is of limited use in that the additional buttons cannot be employed to determine what to do with the data entered. Was this intentional? David From cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net Wed Aug 10 10:40:08 2011 From: cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:40:08 -0700 Subject: incomplete transfer of function from Programming Reference using command-R Message-ID: <4F036DD7-C37A-4BDB-82C5-19D290B2E4DD@qwestoffice.net> When writing a procedure, the sandwich( listing in Programming Reference produces sandwich( prefix, root ) using command-r with the procedure window open. It should produce sandwich( prefix, root ,suffix) Craig McPherson 08/10/11 at 10:38 From leo at leocerruti.com Wed Aug 10 11:19:23 2011 From: leo at leocerruti.com (Leo Cerruti) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:19:23 -0400 Subject: Hiding and showing windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <573E0669-DE3F-4A36-A0CF-834918C99DB6@leocerruti.com> I just noticed some odd behavior. In Lion if I click the (now) small hide button on a Pan window bar the window slips down to the dock as it should. However, as soon as I close any other Pan window the hidden one pops back up on the screen. This behavior doesn't seem to happen in any other application. I don't recall this happening in Snow Leopard. Leo From gary at yonaites.com Wed Aug 10 12:23:30 2011 From: gary at yonaites.com (Gary Yonaites) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:23:30 -0700 Subject: Hiding and showing windows In-Reply-To: <573E0669-DE3F-4A36-A0CF-834918C99DB6@leocerruti.com> References: <573E0669-DE3F-4A36-A0CF-834918C99DB6@leocerruti.com> Message-ID: I just tried this in Snow Leopard 10.6.8 and it has the same behavior only for Panorama. I tried both Firefox and Mail and they both keep the window in the Dock when another window in the application is closed. Gary gary at yonaites.com On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Leo Cerruti wrote: > I just noticed some odd behavior. In Lion if I click the (now) small hide button on a Pan window bar the window slips down to the dock as it should. However, as soon as I close any other Pan window the hidden one pops back up on the screen. This behavior doesn't seem to happen in any other application. I don't recall this happening in Snow Leopard. > > Leo > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From jim at provue.com Thu Aug 11 13:35:29 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:35:29 -0700 Subject: Appalicious launch next week, but you can try it now Message-ID: About a month ago I announced our upcoming new program, Appalicious to this list. Quite a few of you signed up to try an early version and some of you provided very useful feedback that has helped improve the program before final release. Thanks to all of you, and especially to Peter Guerrini, Craig McPherson, and Gary Yonaites. Since my original announcement last month all of the code has been written, bugs fixed, documentation completed, and the web site 98% completed (should be 100% done in a couple of days). I've bumped the version number to 1.0 and barring any unforeseen contingencies, the official launch will be sometime next week. Panorama QNA readers, however, can get started right now. The software no longer requires an invitation code, so you can right to the AppaliciousApp.com web site right now, download your own copy and try it out right away. Just go to http://www.appaliciousapp.com/ and press the Download button (there are several, all go to the same place). In case you've forgotten what Appalicious is all about, it's a new approach to an app store that could completely change your attitude towards the Mac App Store. With Appalicious, it's really easy and fun to discover cool apps in the store, and often at a substantial discount. How does it do that? You'll find all of the details on the AppaliciousApp web site, including screenshots, testimonials from Panorama users that have already been using it, complete documentation, and of course the software itself. Jim Rea From csw at me.com Fri Aug 12 10:54:35 2011 From: csw at me.com (Watts Chris) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:54:35 -0700 Subject: Clickable Links Message-ID: <5DE9EBDE-0436-40CC-9FF9-448F65C5978F@me.com> Anyone know an easy way to make a PDF with clickable links out of panorama ? I was thinking of making an html table and finding something to translate that... Chris Watts ??? ?? Bake Visual Effects, Inc. 1858 North Avenue 53 Los Angeles, CA 90042 main 323-333-5000 fax 206-350-0064 skype cswatts aim cwfx1 yahoo cwiphone dot?mac csw http://imdb.com/name/nm0915121/ www.bake.org From kjmeyer at mac.com Fri Aug 12 11:03:41 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:03:41 +0200 Subject: Clickable Links In-Reply-To: <5DE9EBDE-0436-40CC-9FF9-448F65C5978F@me.com> References: <5DE9EBDE-0436-40CC-9FF9-448F65C5978F@me.com> Message-ID: <3EAFEA9F-7071-4457-B601-7ED4B24F4AD2@mac.com> Am 12.08.2011 um 19:54 schrieb Watts Chris: > Anyone know an easy way to make a PDF with clickable links out of panorama ? I was thinking of making an html table and finding something to translate that... Via Safari? Open the HTML file and print to PDF. Via Pages? Pages creates PDF with Links. Via Automator actions??? Kurt From barryk at caravanbeads.net Fri Aug 12 14:20:57 2011 From: barryk at caravanbeads.net (Barry Kahn) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:20:57 -0400 Subject: timed message Message-ID: <60027FE0-B33C-489C-85A0-D231291B8088@caravanbeads.net> Is there a way to start a 'timer' when a database opens that would then display a message (growlmessage would be okay) after a preset amount of time? thanks bk Barry Kahn Caravan Beads, Inc. 915 Forest Ave Portland ME 04103 800-230-8941 fax: 207-874-2664 www.caravanbeads.net barryk at caravanbeads.net *** Bead store owners and designers: Please visit our new bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ *** My daughter Heather's new business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ From steve at tlwsolutions.com Fri Aug 12 14:33:33 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:33:33 -0400 Subject: Valid Date Message-ID: How can I easily test if an entry in a TESO is a valid date? 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Use the date( function, and trap the error if there is one. theDate = date(TESOdate) if error /* do something appropriate then */ Stop endif TESOdate = datepattern(theDate,"mm/dd/yyyy") Dave From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Fri Aug 12 15:21:49 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:21:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: timed message In-Reply-To: <60027FE0-B33C-489C-85A0-D231291B8088@caravanbeads.net> References: <60027FE0-B33C-489C-85A0-D231291B8088@caravanbeads.net> Message-ID: <20110812172149.CSU24144@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> >Is there a way to start a 'timer' when a database opens that would then display a message (growlmessage would be okay) after a preset amount of time? > ExecuteEverySecond or ExecuteEveryMinute could be used for this. Dave From su at lucinda.net Sat Aug 13 15:22:54 2011 From: su at lucinda.net (Stan Ulrich) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 16:22:54 -0600 Subject: Exporting CSV In-Reply-To: <398545.39833.qm@web37906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4D418B58.1030009@gmail.com> <146DA4D2-65A6-4064-A78E-879C1F25D2A5@aol.com> <398545.39833.qm@web37906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All I wanted to do was grab a database and dump it on my iPod to read in CSV Touch. An hour or more later, I've come to the conclusion that the Export "Wizard" is too dumb to put quotes around data containing commas. Or at least I couldn't find any way to get it to work. What did work was the ancient method -- using Save As to "text only", selecting fields to export (though I can't set the order as the "Wizard" does), and clicking "Commas". This is what we did back in Panorama 2.1 and probably earlier. Or am I missing something? Cheers, Stan ------------------------------ Stan Ulrich ... su at lucinda.net ------------------------------ From warren_rekow at speedyquick.net Sat Aug 13 17:34:57 2011 From: warren_rekow at speedyquick.net (Rekow Warren) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:34:57 -0600 Subject: windowproc alternative? Message-ID: A procedure which only contains the following 2 lines consistently crashes Panorama. windowproc 16 openform "theForm" In the QNA archives there is a message from Jim indicating that the windowproc statement is deprecated. This 'windowproc 16' statement would previously have created a window with no buttons in the dragbar. Setwindow, setwindowrectangle and windowbox statements will create similar windows, except with dragbar buttons. Is there now any way to create a window with no buttons in the dragbar? Or trap a click in the dragbar buttons? Or detect when a window moves from the dock (Mac) to the desktop (need to update?)? Warren From kjmeyer at mac.com Sat Aug 13 18:51:54 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:51:54 +0200 Subject: Exporting CSV In-Reply-To: References: <4D418B58.1030009@gmail.com> <146DA4D2-65A6-4064-A78E-879C1F25D2A5@aol.com> <398545.39833.qm@web37906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <23D02BB5-4313-42CC-9AE3-1625329739B5@mac.com> Stan, I tried what you did with a file of currrencies. The VALUE field is formatted with decimal comma and 5 decimals e. g. 1,23456. The DATE field is formatted with German date format DD.MM.YYYY . The DIRECT export via "Save as ?" works as expected. It writes a .csv file that keeps the format settings of values and dates: NZD,"1,72230",12.08.2011,Neuseeland-Dollar,NZ$,1,NEIN HKD,"11,10990",12.08.2011,Hongkong-Dollar,HK$,1,NEIN BRL,"2,30370",12.08.2011,Real,R$,1,NEIN When I add a text field containing the text "no data, just test", the DIRECT export converts the number format, leaves the date format untouched, and surrounds the text containing commas with quotes. NZD,1.72230,12.08.2011,Neuseeland-Dollar,NZ$,1,NEIN,"no data, just test" HKD,11.10990,12.08.2011,Hongkong-Dollar,HK$,1,NEIN,"no data, just test" BRL,2.30370,12.08.2011,Real,R$,1,NEIN,"no data, just test" The Text Export wizard converts both the values and dates to U. S. format and ? indeed ? misses to surround the text containing commas with quotes: NZD,1.7223,08/12/11,Neuseeland-Dollar,NZ$,1,NEIN,no data, just test, HKD,11.1099,08/12/11,Hongkong-Dollar,HK$,1,NEIN,no data, just test, BRL,2.3037,08/12/11,Real,R$,1,NEIN,no data, just test, I watch some number and date format conversions I do not like. So I would prefer building my own export formula. The formula could check, if a field contains commas, and surround that field with quotes. Or you save the file (directly) as a tab separated file (do NOT check the option "Tabs w/o quotes", check "Keep patterns"). So your data are quoted, if necessary. You can then load the file into a variable, replace the tabs in the variable with commas and then save the variable to a .csv file again. Kurt Am 14.08.2011 um 00:22 schrieb Stan Ulrich: > All I wanted to do was grab a database and dump it on my iPod to read in CSV Touch. > > An hour or more later, I've come to the conclusion that the Export "Wizard" is too dumb to put quotes around data containing commas. > > Or at least I couldn't find any way to get it to work. > > What did work was the ancient method -- using Save As to "text only", selecting fields to export (though I can't set the order as the "Wizard" does), and clicking "Commas". > > This is what we did back in Panorama 2.1 and probably earlier. From botengapanorama at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 04:44:22 2011 From: botengapanorama at gmail.com (Dr. A.S.J. Botenga) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:44:22 +0200 Subject: false info from local Message-ID: <6A7F6D8F-1D46-46C6-85C8-E8163F6CCD1B@gmail.com> Dear panel, Panorama 5.5.2 After putting an amount equal or higher than 220000 from numeric float field, with #.,## in the output pattern, on a local, the local shows 214748.3647. Changing the field to ?float? and after that to #.,## to preserve the 2 digits, was necessary to avoid ?overflow? in certain calculations. Regardless of de calculations made afterwards on the local (adding, subtracting, multiplying by other amounts or figures) the local keeps showing the same wrong amount/figure. Still somewhere in the memory of the local the right amount is present, which is shown after pasting the local in another numeric cell. Could someone tell me if this (minor) fault is corrected in Panorama 6. Aside from this question: you can correct this by revaluing the figure after having made a string of it. However, you have to do this beforehand, afterwards the amount must remain in the same decimal. Kind regards Allard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Sun Aug 14 06:32:25 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:32:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: false info from local In-Reply-To: <6A7F6D8F-1D46-46C6-85C8-E8163F6CCD1B@gmail.com> References: <6A7F6D8F-1D46-46C6-85C8-E8163F6CCD1B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110814083225.CSU64760@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> > Panorama 5.5.2 > After putting an amount equal or higher than 220000 from > numeric float field, with #.,## in the output pattern, on a > local, the local shows 214748.3647. Changing the field to > ?float? and after that to #.,## to preserve the 2 digits, > was necessary to avoid ?overflow? in certain calculations. > > Regardless of de calculations made afterwards on the local > (adding, subtracting, multiplying by other amounts or figures) > the local keeps showing the same wrong amount/figure. Still > somewhere in the memory of the local the right amount is > present, which is shown after pasting the local in another > numeric cell. > > Could someone tell me if this (minor) fault is corrected in > Panorama 6. > > Aside from this question: you can correct this by revaluing > the figure after having made a string of it. However, you have > to do this beforehand, afterwards the amount must remain in > the same decimal. > Precisely, how is your local variable showing a value? What you are describing sounds like a known problem with the message statement. In a message statement, all numbers are fixed point 4 digits, and 214748.3647 is the largest possible number in that data type. The local variable itself, probably contains the right number, but the message statement is incapable of showing it, unless you do the conversion to text prior to the message statement. Dave From jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us Sun Aug 14 08:44:57 2011 From: jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:44:57 -0400 Subject: Quick way to duplicate a line? Message-ID: <8445C7FD-06F9-425C-BBF8-5FAAAC51BE77@state.ga.weo.us> Is there a quick-and-easy way to duplicate the current line of data in the data sheet without using a procedure? Basically I just want to duplicate the current line I am on so there are two lines with the same data on top of each other. Thanks, - Jeff From gary at yonaites.com Sun Aug 14 09:02:30 2011 From: gary at yonaites.com (Gary Yonaites) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 09:02:30 -0700 Subject: Quick way to duplicate a line? In-Reply-To: <8445C7FD-06F9-425C-BBF8-5FAAAC51BE77@state.ga.weo.us> References: <8445C7FD-06F9-425C-BBF8-5FAAAC51BE77@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: <86B85B1F-9FFD-481E-80D8-0ACCA15814FC@yonaites.com> Using Panorama 6 just go to the record you want to duplicate and click on the tool icon showing the arrow pointing at the clipboard and then click on the one below it with the arrow point off the clipboard. This copies the current record and then pastes it above the existing record. In Panorama 5 the copy record icon is two duplicate faces and the paste record icon is a bottle of glue just below it. Gary gary at yonaites.com On Aug 14, 2011, at 8:44 AM, Jeff Gold wrote: > Is there a quick-and-easy way to duplicate the current line of data in the data sheet without using a procedure? > > Basically I just want to duplicate the current line I am on so there are two lines with the same data on top of each other. > > Thanks, > > - Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Sun Aug 14 12:31:12 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:31:12 -0500 Subject: false info from local In-Reply-To: <20110814083225.CSU64760@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> References: <6A7F6D8F-1D46-46C6-85C8-E8163F6CCD1B@gmail.com> <20110814083225.CSU64760@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: At 8:32 AM -0500 8/14/11, David Thompson wrote: >In a message statement, all numbers are fixed point 4 digits, and >214748.3647 is the largest possible number in that data type. Apparently, the statement above isn't completely true. I just did some testing, and it appears that numbers that are already in a fixed point data type aren't converted to 4 digits. It's only floating point numbers that are a problem. If I write a statement like Message 123456789 the correct number appears in the message, but if I write that as Message float(123456789) or Message 1.23456789e+8 it appears as 214748.3647. The first number had an integer data type, which is one of five fixed point data types. The second and third messages had the same numerical value, but floating point data types. Dave From botengapanorama at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 02:14:15 2011 From: botengapanorama at gmail.com (Dr. A.S.J. Botenga) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:14:15 +0200 Subject: false info from local In-Reply-To: <20110814083225.CSU64760@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> References: <6A7F6D8F-1D46-46C6-85C8-E8163F6CCD1B@gmail.com> <20110814083225.CSU64760@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: Thank you for your comments. May I add a few questions or remarks Precisely, how is your local variable showing a value? What you are describing sounds like a known problem with the message statement. To my restricted knowledge this to be the only way of showing the value of a variable, or is there another way, apart from pasting it or putting it on the clipboard, after which, when the message produces an incorrect number, the right value is shown. In a message statement, all numbers are fixed point 4 digits, and 214748.3647 is the largest possible number in that data type. Is there an explanation for that specific number, which is indeed the limit. 214748.3646 (the Sheet shows 214.748,36) is still shown correctly. Do you know if this problem still exits in Panorama 6. The local variable itself, probably contains the right number, but the message statement is incapable of showing it, definitively the local variable itself contains the right amount as I tried to put in words unless you do the conversion to text prior to the message statement. I think it can also be done afterwards, when the amount remains in the same decimal (6 figures before the separation). At 8:32 AM -0500 8/14/11, David Thompson wrote: Apparently, the statement above isn't completely true. I just did some testing, and it appears that numbers that are already in a fixed point data type aren't converted to 4 digits. It's only floating point numbers that are a problem. If I write a statement like Message 123456789 the correct number appears in the message, but if I write that as Message float(123456789) or Message 1.23456789e+8 it appears as 214748.3647. The first number had an integer data type, which is one of five fixed point data types. The second and third messages had the same numerical value, but floating point data types. In a message floating point numbers are shown with 4 digits, although in the Sheet not restricted to digits, many more are/can be shown. Could it be that these are concealed present in the memory of a variable. Allard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Mon Aug 15 05:04:46 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:04:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: false info from local In-Reply-To: References: <6A7F6D8F-1D46-46C6-85C8-E8163F6CCD1B@gmail.com> <20110814083225.CSU64760@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <20110815070446.CSU87782@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> > Precisely, how is your local variable showing a value? What > you are describing sounds like a known problem with the > message statement. To my restricted knowledge this to be the > only way of showing the value of a variable, or is there > another way, apart from pasting it or putting it on the > clipboard, after which, when the message produces an incorrect > number, the right value is shown. There is a custom statement called GiantMessage, which doesn't suffer from that limitation. I'm pretty sure Panorama 5.5 has that statement. > In a message statement, all numbers are fixed point 4 digits, > and 214748.3647 is the largest possible number in that data > type. > Is there an explanation for that specific number, which is > indeed the limit. 214748.3646 (the Sheet shows 214.748,36) is > still shown correctly. Do you know if this problem still exits > in Panorama 6. Yes, Panorama 6 still has that limitation for the message statement. I really don't know why the message statement is limited to fixed point data types, but internally, fixed point numbers are 32 bits in length. With 32 bits there are 2^32 or 4194967292 possible different values. That's enough to cover every integer in the range from -2147483648 to 2147483647 or every multiple of 0.1 from -214748364.8 to 214748364.7 or every multiple of 0.01 from -21474836.48 to 21474836.47 etc. For fixed point 4 digits, that means it will cover every multiple of 0.0001 from -214748.3648 to 214748.3647. Numbers outside those ranges are impossible with 32 bits. > The local variable itself, probably contains the right number, > but the message statement is incapable of showing it, > definitively the local variable itself contains the right > amount as I tried to put in words > unless you do the conversion to text prior to the message > statement. > I think it can also be done afterwards, when the amount > remains in the same decimal (6 figures before the separation). > At 8:32 AM -0500 8/14/11, David Thompson wrote: > Apparently, the statement above isn't completely true. I just > did some testing, and it appears that numbers that are already > in a fixed point data type aren't converted to 4 digits. It's > only floating point numbers that are a problem. If I write a > statement like > > Message 123456789 > > the correct number appears in the message, but if I write that > as > > Message float(123456789) > > or > > Message 1.23456789e+8 > > it appears as 214748.3647. The first number had an integer > data type, which is one of five fixed point data types. The > second and third messages had the same numerical value, but > floating point data types. In a message floating point numbers > are shown with 4 digits, although in the Sheet not restricted > to digits, many more are/can be shown. Could it be that these > are concealed present in the memory of a variable. It means that at some point, during the evaluation of its parameter, the message statement converts floating point numbers to fixed point. It doesn't alter the source of those numbers, so the original floating point number, which might be in a field or variable, is left unchanged, and is still in its original 64 bit floating point format. Dave From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Mon Aug 15 05:54:07 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:54:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: false info from local In-Reply-To: <20110815070446.CSU87782@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> References: <6A7F6D8F-1D46-46C6-85C8-E8163F6CCD1B@gmail.com> <20110814083225.CSU64760@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> <20110815070446.CSU87782@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <20110815075407.CSU89328@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> > With 32 bits there are 2^32 or 4194967292 possible different values. Before anyone calls me on this, 2^32 is 4294967296, not 4194967292. I'm not sure how I came up with that other value. Dave From devine at sonic.net Mon Aug 15 17:31:57 2011 From: devine at sonic.net (J.T. Devine) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:31:57 -0700 Subject: Flash Art and Memory Message-ID: I have a fairly simple database that I noticed was around 3MB in size, which seemed awfully large. From Memory Usage? I see that 2.5 MB is taken up by the sole jpg I have in the Flashart Scrapbook. But that .jpg file, before being copied and pasted into the scrapbook was only 160K. Why is it so large and is there a trick to preventing it from taking up so much memory? Thanks, J.T. Devine From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Mon Aug 15 19:22:21 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:22:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Flash Art and Memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110815212221.CSV25719@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> >I have a fairly simple database that I noticed was around 3MB in size, >which seemed awfully large. From Memory Usage? I see that 2.5 MB is >taken up by the sole jpg I have in the Flashart Scrapbook. But >that .jpg file, before being copied and pasted into the scrapbook was >only 160K. Why is it so large and is there a trick to preventing it >from taking up so much memory? > The image you copied was a JPEG, but the image you pasted was a PICT. JPEG is a compression format. PICT is not. There is no way to put anything but PICT into the flashart scrapbook. The best trick for keeping it from taking up so much memory is to leave it as a file on the disk, and don't put it into the flashart scrapbook. Dave From JC at JamesCook.biz Mon Aug 15 19:27:44 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:27:44 -0400 Subject: Flash Art and Memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <327F33F6-6DBE-485A-ACF2-74C55B65615E@JamesCook.biz> If you're referring to the JPEG size as you see it on the Desktop, that doesn't represent the size when it's opened. JPEGs are compressed files and 2.5 MB isn't an unusual result from a 160K file. I'd open the JPEG in a program like Photoshop and, if it's for screen use only, set it to 72 dpi and the outer dimensions you need. Then it won't be any bigger than necessary. Also keep in mind that Super Flash Art objects can use a formula to open JPEGs and other files from disk. It doesn't need to be saved within the database at all and that too diminishes the databases size. On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:31 PM, J.T. Devine wrote: > I have a fairly simple database that I noticed was around 3MB in size, which seemed awfully large. From Memory Usage? I see that 2.5 MB is taken up by the sole jpg I have in the Flashart Scrapbook. But that .jpg file, before being copied and pasted into the scrapbook was only 160K. Why is it so large and is there a trick to preventing it from taking up so much memory? James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at provue.com Tue Aug 16 23:04:23 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 23:04:23 -0700 Subject: Code -7 error on installation Message-ID: Since Lion shipped about a dozen customers have reported seeing a Code -7 or Code -8 error when installing Panorama. This was an occasional problem with OS X 10.5 and 10.6 also, but more like a couple of users per year. It doesn't seem to be a universal problem, but definitely more common under Lion. It seems to especially affect brand new machines. If you run into this, I've prepared this web page with instructions for getting around the problem: http://www.provue.com/support/tn/code7 Long term I'm hoping to come up with a better method for dealing with this, but this will get you on the air immediately if you run into this problem now. Jim Rea President, ProVUE Development From barryk at caravanbeads.net Wed Aug 17 06:11:45 2011 From: barryk at caravanbeads.net (Barry Kahn) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:11:45 -0400 Subject: Code -7 error on installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2730C5AF-621B-4AC9-8462-3D4A5C5F1D1C@caravanbeads.net> All set, thanks. bk > Since Lion shipped about a dozen customers have reported seeing a Code -7 or Code -8 error when installing Panorama. This was an occasional problem with OS X 10.5 and 10.6 also, but more like a couple of users per year. It doesn't seem to be a universal problem, but definitely more common under Lion. It seems to especially affect brand new machines. > > If you run into this, I've prepared this web page with instructions for getting around the problem: > > http://www.provue.com/support/tn/code7 > > Long term I'm hoping to come up with a better method for dealing with this, but this will get you on the air immediately if you run into this problem now. > > Jim Rea > President, ProVUE Development > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna Barry Kahn Caravan Beads, Inc. 915 Forest Ave Portland ME 04103 800-230-8941 fax: 207-874-2664 www.caravanbeads.net barryk at caravanbeads.net *** Bead store owners and designers: Please visit our new bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ *** My daughter Heather's new business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ From designer at quickdata.com Wed Aug 17 06:47:56 2011 From: designer at quickdata.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 06:47:56 -0700 Subject: Groups meets tabs with Panorama Message-ID: <4E4BC68C.3010101@quickdata.com> The new Firefox 6.0 has that as a feature - Groups meets tabs with Panorama. Because they Capitalize the "P" in Panorama, it looks like they are referring to a database we all know. Perhaps we list members can write to Mozilla and ask it they are using Panorama? Paul QuickData From barryk at caravanbeads.net Wed Aug 17 07:09:03 2011 From: barryk at caravanbeads.net (Barry Kahn) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:09:03 -0400 Subject: vCard wizard Message-ID: <6959BFB9-8BCC-4194-B27F-5BF1DBD8E98D@caravanbeads.net> Has anyone been able to drag and drop a vcard from Panorama to the new (crummy) address book in Lion? This worked fine in Snow Leopard but seems not to work in Lion. Any tips appreciated! Thanks, bk Barry Kahn Caravan Beads, Inc. 915 Forest Ave Portland ME 04103 800-230-8941 fax: 207-874-2664 www.caravanbeads.net barryk at caravanbeads.net *** Bead store owners and designers: Please visit our new bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ *** My daughter Heather's new business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ From su at lucinda.net Wed Aug 17 19:47:19 2011 From: su at lucinda.net (Stan Ulrich) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:47:19 -0600 Subject: Exporting CSV Message-ID: OK, so I gather from the silence that Panorama "wizard" is not only ugly, but also inept in the basic function of exporting usable CSV files in any other program. Thanks, guys! And thanks Jim and cie for all the help, too! Oh, if I take the data and dump it into Bento 4, of all things, and export a CSV file there -- IT WORKS PERFECTLY. Conclusion? up to you.... ============================================================ All I wanted to do was grab a database and dump it on my iPod to read in CSV Touch. An hour or more later, I've come to the conclusion that the Export "Wizard" is too dumb to put quotes around data containing commas. Or at least I couldn't find any way to get it to work. What did work was the ancient method -- using Save As to "text only", selecting fields to export (though I can't set the order as the "Wizard" does), and clicking "Commas". This is what we did back in Panorama 2.1 and probably earlier. Or am I missing something? Cheers, Stan ------------------------------ Stan Ulrich ... su at lucinda.net ------------------------------ _ From designer at quickdata.com Wed Aug 17 22:42:07 2011 From: designer at quickdata.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:42:07 -0700 Subject: Exporting CSV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E4CA62F.9050002@quickdata.com> Stan, Maybe you missed them - I could swear I read at least two different posts giving you some ideas on how to export to CSV. Bento and its big brother work "PERFECTLY" for some things and not so good for others. If I recall, in yesteryear, exporting an invoice with repeating fields for line items was horrible. I had to write a special, somewhat sophisticate Panorama routine to put the fields back in the correct order for importing into Panorama - essentially pre-reading and padding with missing fields so the line items lined up again. But they are all tools; some work better for limited jobs; others seem a bit complicated for very simple tasks but offer far more flexibility when things get "real". Paul QuickData On 8/17/11 7:47 PM, Stan Ulrich wrote: > OK, so I gather from the silence that Panorama "wizard" is not only ugly, but also inept in the basic function of exporting usable CSV files in any other program. > > Thanks, guys! And thanks Jim and cie for all the help, too! > > > Oh, if I take the data and dump it into Bento 4, of all things, and export a CSV file there -- IT WORKS PERFECTLY. > > Conclusion? up to you.... > > ============================================================ > > All I wanted to do was grab a database and dump it on my iPod to read in CSV Touch. > > An hour or more later, I've come to the conclusion that the Export "Wizard" is too dumb to put quotes around data containing commas. > > Or at least I couldn't find any way to get it to work. > > What did work was the ancient method -- using Save As to "text only", selecting fields to export (though I can't set the order as the "Wizard" does), and clicking "Commas". > > This is what we did back in Panorama 2.1 and probably earlier. > > Or am I missing something? > > > Cheers, Stan > > ------------------------------ > Stan Ulrich ... su at lucinda.net > ------------------------------ > _ > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From warren_rekow at speedyquick.net Wed Aug 17 23:58:19 2011 From: warren_rekow at speedyquick.net (Rekow Warren) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 00:58:19 -0600 Subject: Exporting CSV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Stan, An exported text file can be created and formatted any way needed using the Export statement in a procedure. If you want to output lines of quoted, comma-separated field values then a one-line procedure something like the following may suffice so long as no quotes or carriage-return characters are embedded within the output fields... Export 'MyCSVfile.txt', '"'+field1+'","'+field2+'","'+field3+ ... +fieldLast+'"'+? Date and numeric fields should be formated. See in the Panorama Reference the descriptions of Export, ExportCell() and ExportLine(). Warren On Aug 17, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Stan Ulrich wrote: OK, so I gather from the silence that Panorama "wizard" is not only ugly, but also inept in the basic function of exporting usable CSV files in any other program. Thanks, guys! And thanks Jim and cie for all the help, too! Oh, if I take the data and dump it into Bento 4, of all things, and export a CSV file there -- IT WORKS PERFECTLY. Conclusion? up to you.... ============================================================ All I wanted to do was grab a database and dump it on my iPod to read in CSV Touch. An hour or more later, I've come to the conclusion that the Export "Wizard" is too dumb to put quotes around data containing commas. Or at least I couldn't find any way to get it to work. What did work was the ancient method -- using Save As to "text only", selecting fields to export (though I can't set the order as the "Wizard" does), and clicking "Commas". This is what we did back in Panorama 2.1 and probably earlier. Or am I missing something? Cheers, Stan ------------------------------ Stan Ulrich ... su at lucinda.net ------------------------------ From rgbell at cogeco.ca Thu Aug 18 12:57:58 2011 From: rgbell at cogeco.ca (Robert Bell) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:57:58 -0400 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal Message-ID: Is there a way to retrieve the pictures with names from a large Flash Art Scrapbook to put them in a separate folder? Robert From kjmeyer at mac.com Thu Aug 18 13:13:09 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:13:09 +0200 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E1BCB9A-6D15-42E9-B050-B12BC3FAE14C@mac.com> Am 18.08.2011 um 21:57 schrieb Robert Bell: > Is there a way to retrieve the pictures with names from a large Flash Art > Scrapbook to put them in a separate folder? Yes. Cut or copy the PICT from the Flash Art Scrapbook into a program that still supports PICT files. (Preview.app in Lion does not support it, but GraphicConverter does.) Convert the pictures into a more ususal format like .jpg. Kurt From sdarington at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 13:42:02 2011 From: sdarington at gmail.com (Steven Darington) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:42:02 -0700 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: copy to clipboard from FlashArt Scrapbook then use Panorama's statement: CLIPTOPICTFILE filename if you have the Enhanced Image Pack installed you can convert to graphic formats using: convertimage input,output,type,height,width On 8/18/11, Robert Bell wrote: > Is there a way to retrieve the pictures with names from a large Flash Art > Scrapbook to put them in a separate folder? > Robert From audax at wideband.net.au Thu Aug 18 21:48:14 2011 From: audax at wideband.net.au (Michael Kellock) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:48:14 +1000 Subject: Platform Converted d/b retains .pan attributes?? Message-ID: <2F26F0F0-9A21-43F6-A176-ADB2700D1948@wideband.net.au> I had a d/b called Audicon.pan sent from a PC to my Mac via a memory stick. I converted the file to Mac using the platform converter and opened it. The .Initialize procedure contains the command, OpenFile "Participants". When I open the d/b, I get an error message saying "File Participants.pan not found". Should the d/b have been zipped before transmission or is there some other problem? michael From kjmeyer at mac.com Thu Aug 18 23:28:02 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:28:02 +0200 Subject: Platform Converted d/b retains .pan attributes?? In-Reply-To: <2F26F0F0-9A21-43F6-A176-ADB2700D1948@wideband.net.au> References: <2F26F0F0-9A21-43F6-A176-ADB2700D1948@wideband.net.au> Message-ID: <2C486334-622A-4021-8DA2-D1345B8C2417@mac.com> Am 19.08.2011 um 06:48 schrieb Michael Kellock: > I had a d/b called Audicon.pan sent from a PC to my Mac via a memory stick. I converted the file to Mac using the platform converter and opened it. > > The .Initialize procedure contains the command, OpenFile "Participants". When I open the d/b, I get an error message saying "File Participants.pan not found". Should the d/b have been zipped before transmission or is there some other problem? There is simply the file "Participants" missing, that is obviously expected to be in the same folder as your database "Audicon". Kurt From audax at wideband.net.au Thu Aug 18 23:51:59 2011 From: audax at wideband.net.au (Michael Kellock) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:51:59 +1000 Subject: Platform Converted d/b retains .pan attributes?? In-Reply-To: <2C486334-622A-4021-8DA2-D1345B8C2417@mac.com> References: <2F26F0F0-9A21-43F6-A176-ADB2700D1948@wideband.net.au> <2C486334-622A-4021-8DA2-D1345B8C2417@mac.com> Message-ID: <9FFC19F6-90FD-40E8-9595-0E5CBC1E7C7B@wideband.net.au> Sorry - I should have made that clear - the file is definitely present and is found when I open the Mac-based database in the same folder as the transported PC d/b. michael On 19/08/2011, at 4:28 PM, Kurt J. Meyer wrote: > > Am 19.08.2011 um 06:48 schrieb Michael Kellock: > >> I had a d/b called Audicon.pan sent from a PC to my Mac via a memory stick. I converted the file to Mac using the platform converter and opened it. >> >> The .Initialize procedure contains the command, OpenFile "Participants". When I open the d/b, I get an error message saying "File Participants.pan not found". Should the d/b have been zipped before transmission or is there some other problem? > > There is simply the file "Participants" missing, that is obviously expected to be in the same folder as your database "Audicon". > > Kurt > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From csw at me.com Fri Aug 19 04:01:10 2011 From: csw at me.com (Chris Watts) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 04:01:10 -0700 Subject: Platform Converted d/b retains .pan attributes?? In-Reply-To: <9FFC19F6-90FD-40E8-9595-0E5CBC1E7C7B@wideband.net.au> References: <2F26F0F0-9A21-43F6-A176-ADB2700D1948@wideband.net.au> <2C486334-622A-4021-8DA2-D1345B8C2417@mac.com> <9FFC19F6-90FD-40E8-9595-0E5CBC1E7C7B@wideband.net.au> Message-ID: <215E337D-823E-48EA-9732-3ED6E9A3472A@me.com> try renaming it without the .pan On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Michael Kellock wrote: > Sorry - I should have made that clear - the file is definitely present and is found when I open the Mac-based database in the same folder as the transported PC d/b. > > michael > > > On 19/08/2011, at 4:28 PM, Kurt J. Meyer wrote: > >> >> Am 19.08.2011 um 06:48 schrieb Michael Kellock: >> >>> I had a d/b called Audicon.pan sent from a PC to my Mac via a memory stick. I converted the file to Mac using the platform converter and opened it. >>> >>> The .Initialize procedure contains the command, OpenFile "Participants". When I open the d/b, I get an error message saying "File Participants.pan not found". Should the d/b have been zipped before transmission or is there some other problem? >> >> There is simply the file "Participants" missing, that is obviously expected to be in the same folder as your database "Audicon". >> >> Kurt >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Fri Aug 19 04:46:38 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 06:46:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Platform Converted d/b retains .pan attributes?? In-Reply-To: <2F26F0F0-9A21-43F6-A176-ADB2700D1948@wideband.net.au> References: <2F26F0F0-9A21-43F6-A176-ADB2700D1948@wideband.net.au> Message-ID: <20110819064638.CSX01652@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> >I had a d/b called Audicon.pan sent from a PC to my Mac via a memory stick. I converted the file to Mac using the platform converter and opened it. > >The .Initialize procedure contains the command, OpenFile "Participants". When I open the d/b, I get an error message saying "File Participants.pan not found". Should the d/b have been zipped before transmission or is there some other problem? > The Platform converter has a checkbox in the Windows to Mac section labeled Remove File Extensions. It sounds like that box wasn't checked. When the active file has a .pan extension, the OpenFile command expects the file it is opening to have one too, and it will automatically add it to the name it is supposed to be looking for, if it isn't already there. Dave From rgbell at cogeco.ca Fri Aug 19 05:38:55 2011 From: rgbell at cogeco.ca (Robert Bell) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:38:55 -0400 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kurt and Steven Thanks for the info but I can't get it to work I have Pan 6 and Sys 10.6.8 >From the Panorama Reference Manual page 123 it says that cliptopictfile filename should put the pict image in the same folder as the database. This is what I did: 1. Created a procedure called EmployeePicts with only the statement cliptopictfile "John Smith" 2. When to Flash Art Scrapbook and copied John Smith's picture 3. Verified that the picture was on the clipboard 4. Ran the Procedure 5. The picture should be in the same folder as the database but it isn't SO 1. I tried specifying the exact path to the folder in the procedure to see if that might do it. So the procedure then read: cliptopictfile "Macintosh HD:Users:robert:Desktop:Employees:"+"John Smith" but the PICT file doesn't appear. Any thoughts on where I went wrong? Thanks Robert > copy to clipboard from FlashArt Scrapbook then use Panorama's statement: > CLIPTOPICTFILE filename > > if you have the Enhanced Image Pack installed you can convert to > graphic formats using: > convertimage input,output,type,height,width > > > On 8/18/11, Robert Bell wrote: >> Is there a way to retrieve the pictures with names from a large Flash Art >> Scrapbook to put them in a separate folder? >> Robert > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From kjmeyer at mac.com Fri Aug 19 05:51:46 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:51:46 +0200 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Am 19.08.2011 um 14:38 schrieb Robert Bell: > 5. The picture should be in the same folder as the database but it isn't I just tested it, and the statement works as expected. I copied a logo in my Flash Art Scrapbook, then ran a procedure containing the statement cliptopictfile "Logo.pict" The file appeared in the folder containing the database. Kurt From rgbell at cogeco.ca Fri Aug 19 07:41:04 2011 From: rgbell at cogeco.ca (Robert Bell) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:41:04 -0400 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kurt This is interesting in that you got it to work. By the way I do have the enhanced image pack I copied your statement exactly even using the name logo but it wouldn't work - no pic in the folder. I figured I could change the filename later anyways. I went to the Clipboard through the Finder and it said that it was a TIFF file on the clipboard. I then tried using cliptopictfile "Logo.TIFF" but it didn't work. When you copied your logo onto the clipboard what kind of file does it show in the Finder clipboard? Robert Am 19.08.2011 um 14:38 schrieb Robert Bell: > 5. The picture should be in the same folder as the database but it isn't I just tested it, and the statement works as expected. I copied a logo in my Flash Art Scrapbook, then ran a procedure containing the statement cliptopictfile "Logo.pict" The file appeared in the folder containing the database. Kurt From gary at yonaites.com Fri Aug 19 07:51:36 2011 From: gary at yonaites.com (Gary Yonaites) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:51:36 -0700 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I tried this as well and got the file in the same folder as my database just like Kurt. The file was a .pict file and I checked the clipboard as well in the Finder and it does show it as a .TIFF image but this should not make a difference to the file outcome. Are you sure you are looking in the right fold? Maybe you have this file in more than one folder and the database that opens is not the one you think is open. Do a search in the Finder for "Logo.pict" or "Logo.TIFF" to see if anything is actually there. Gary gary at yonaites.com On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Robert Bell wrote: > Kurt > This is interesting in that you got it to work. > By the way I do have the enhanced image pack > > I copied your statement exactly even using the name logo but it wouldn't > work - no pic in the folder. I figured I could change the filename later > anyways. > > I went to the Clipboard through the Finder and it said that it was a TIFF > file on the clipboard. I then tried using cliptopictfile "Logo.TIFF" but it > didn't work. When you copied your logo onto the clipboard what kind of file > does it show in the Finder clipboard? > Robert > > > Am 19.08.2011 um 14:38 schrieb Robert Bell: > >> 5. The picture should be in the same folder as the database but it isn't > > I just tested it, and the statement works as expected. > > I copied a logo in my Flash Art Scrapbook, then ran a procedure containing > the statement > > cliptopictfile "Logo.pict" > > The file appeared in the folder containing the database. > > Kurt > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From rgbell at cogeco.ca Fri Aug 19 08:53:47 2011 From: rgbell at cogeco.ca (Robert Bell) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:53:47 -0400 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gary and Kurt I searched my two drives and nothing appeared. I then thought I would use File Buddy and look for any invisible files. Low and behold in the folder where the .pict file should be, was an invisible file (606kb) called Logo.pict but it is an alias. I made the alias file visible. Searched the drives with File Buddy but no original was found and thus couldn't fix the alias. Do you think I should re-install Pan? Robert _________________ I tried this as well and got the file in the same folder as my database just like Kurt. The file was a .pict file and I checked the clipboard as well in the Finder and it does show it as a .TIFF image but this should not make a difference to the file outcome. Are you sure you are looking in the right fold? Maybe you have this file in more than one folder and the database that opens is not the one you think is open. Do a search in the Finder for "Logo.pict" or "Logo.TIFF" to see if anything is actually there . Gary gary at yonaites.com On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Robert Bell wrote: > Kurt > This is interesting in that you got it to work. > By the way I do have the enhanced image pack > > I copied your statement exactly even using the name logo but it wouldn't > work - no pic in the folder. I figured I could change the filename later > anyways. > > I went to the Clipboard through the Finder and it said that it was a TIFF > file on the clipboard. I then tried using cliptopictfile "Logo.TIFF" but it > didn't work. When you copied your logo onto the clipboard what kind of file > does it show in the Finder clipboard? > Robert > > > Am 19.08.2011 um 14:38 schrieb Robert Bell: > >> 5. The picture should be in the same folder as the database but it isn't > > I just tested it, and the statement works as expected. > > I copied a logo in my Flash Art Scrapbook, then ran a procedure containing > the statement > > cliptopictfile "Logo.pict" > > The file appeared in the folder containing the database. > > Kurt > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list From gary at yonaites.com Fri Aug 19 09:09:33 2011 From: gary at yonaites.com (Gary Yonaites) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:09:33 -0700 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I guess it wouldn't hurt but it seems rather odd that something like this could happen at all. If you do a Get Info on this file in the Finder does it show anything for Original:? Gary gary at yonaites.com On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Robert Bell wrote: > I searched my two drives and nothing appeared. I then thought I would use > File Buddy and look for any invisible files. Low and behold in the folder > where the .pict file should be, was an invisible file (606kb) called > Logo.pict but it is an alias. I made the alias file visible. Searched the > drives with File Buddy but no original was found and thus couldn't fix the > alias. Do you think I should re-install Pan? > Robert From cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net Fri Aug 19 13:45:12 2011 From: cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:45:12 -0700 Subject: feature request for assigning procedures to a button Message-ID: <54CF995D-52A6-4A0E-8D41-3F47CB03F97B@qwestoffice.net> When creating a button which runs a procedure, I get a popup list of all my procedures in the order they were created/saved. I would love it if, when I option-click the button which assigns the procedure to the button, the popup list changed from non-alphabetized to an alpha list of procedures. Most profound, heartfelt, sincere and everlasting thanks, really. Craig McPherson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at provue.com Fri Aug 19 13:58:14 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:58:14 -0700 Subject: feature request for assigning procedures to a button In-Reply-To: <54CF995D-52A6-4A0E-8D41-3F47CB03F97B@qwestoffice.net> Message-ID: On 8/19/11 at 1:45 PM, cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) wrote: >When creating a button which runs a procedure, I get a popup >list of all my procedures in the order they were created/saved. >I would love it if, when I option-click the button which >assigns the procedure to the button, the popup list changed >from non-alphabetized to an alpha list of procedures. Yes, that would be very nice. I was also thinking it would be nice if there was an option key that would only pop-up procedures that were currently open. Jim From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Fri Aug 19 14:32:47 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:32:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110819163247.CSX27699@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> >Thanks for the info but I can't get it to work >I have Pan 6 and Sys 10.6.8 > >From the Panorama Reference Manual page 123 it says that cliptopictfile >filename should put the pict image in the same folder as the database. This >is what I did: >1. Created a procedure called EmployeePicts with only the statement > cliptopictfile "John Smith" >2. When to Flash Art Scrapbook and copied John Smith's picture >3. Verified that the picture was on the clipboard >4. Ran the Procedure >5. The picture should be in the same folder as the database but it isn't >SO >1. I tried specifying the exact path to the folder in the procedure to see >if that might do it. So the procedure then read: >cliptopictfile "Macintosh HD:Users:robert:Desktop:Employees:"+"John Smith" >but the PICT file doesn't appear. > I'm also using OS X 10.6.8 and I get the same results you do. I can create a PICT if I open Preview in 32-bit mode and choose New from Clipboard. If it doesn't need to be a PICT, you don't need to open it in 32-bit mode. Dave From rgbell at cogeco.ca Fri Aug 19 14:47:55 2011 From: rgbell at cogeco.ca (Robert Bell) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:47:55 -0400 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doesn't show anything for Original when I got info. Interesting item though: I selected a different picture from the scrapbook. I then ran the procedure but this time with the Folder open where the file resides. For a brief second when I ran the procedure, there was a Logo.pict file created and then it disappeared. I suspected this was the invisible file which I made visible and once again it showed as an alias. Will reinstall Pan in a few days as I need it for something else now Thanks for the help though. Robert > I guess it wouldn't hurt but it seems rather odd that something like this > could happen at all. If you do a Get Info on this file in the Finder does it > show anything for Original:? > > Gary > gary at yonaites.com > > On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Robert Bell wrote: > >> I searched my two drives and nothing appeared. I then thought I would use >> File Buddy and look for any invisible files. Low and behold in the folder >> where the .pict file should be, was an invisible file (606kb) called >> Logo.pict but it is an alias. I made the alias file visible. Searched the >> drives with File Buddy but no original was found and thus couldn't fix the >> alias. Do you think I should re-install Pan? >> Robert > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From scott at prototek.net Fri Aug 19 15:20:06 2011 From: scott at prototek.net (Scott Taylor) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:20:06 -0700 Subject: feature request for assigning procedures to a button In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What is nice, but not 100% reliable, is that when you open the drop-down list of procedures, if you start typing the procedure name (including the leading dot if it applies) the highlight will go to that procedure (or one starting with the same letters). You have to be quick with your typing, if you pause it will stop on the first partial match and ignore the rest of your typing. I assume this was intentionally designed this way.... > > From: James Rea > Reply-To: "Panorama Questions & Answers \(Discussion\)" > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:58:14 -0700 > To: "Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion)" > Subject: Re: feature request for assigning procedures to a button > > On 8/19/11 at 1:45 PM, cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig > McPherson) wrote: > >> >When creating a button which runs a procedure, I get a popup >> >list of all my procedures in the order they were created/saved. >> >I would love it if, when I option-click the button which >> >assigns the procedure to the button, the popup list changed >> >from non-alphabetized to an alpha list of procedures. > > Yes, that would be very nice. I was also thinking it would be > nice if there was an option key that would only pop-up > procedures that were currently open. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From audax at wideband.net.au Fri Aug 19 16:01:37 2011 From: audax at wideband.net.au (Michael Kellock) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:01:37 +1000 Subject: Platform Converted d/b retains .pan attributes?? In-Reply-To: <215E337D-823E-48EA-9732-3ED6E9A3472A@me.com> References: <2F26F0F0-9A21-43F6-A176-ADB2700D1948@wideband.net.au> <2C486334-622A-4021-8DA2-D1345B8C2417@mac.com> <9FFC19F6-90FD-40E8-9595-0E5CBC1E7C7B@wideband.net.au> <215E337D-823E-48EA-9732-3ED6E9A3472A@me.com> Message-ID: <7C5BF59E-F918-4257-AE97-32EF71A9F040@wideband.net.au> I had also tried that without success. michael On 19/08/2011, at 9:01 PM, Chris Watts wrote: > try renaming it without the .pan > > > On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Michael Kellock wrote: > >> Sorry - I should have made that clear - the file is definitely present and is found when I open the Mac-based database in the same folder as the transported PC d/b. >> >> michael >> >> >> On 19/08/2011, at 4:28 PM, Kurt J. Meyer wrote: >> >>> >>> Am 19.08.2011 um 06:48 schrieb Michael Kellock: >>> >>>> I had a d/b called Audicon.pan sent from a PC to my Mac via a memory stick. I converted the file to Mac using the platform converter and opened it. >>>> >>>> The .Initialize procedure contains the command, OpenFile "Participants". When I open the d/b, I get an error message saying "File Participants.pan not found". Should the d/b have been zipped before transmission or is there some other problem? >>> >>> There is simply the file "Participants" missing, that is obviously expected to be in the same folder as your database "Audicon". >>> >>> Kurt >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Qna mailing list >>> Qna at provue.com >>> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From audax at wideband.net.au Fri Aug 19 16:03:40 2011 From: audax at wideband.net.au (Michael Kellock) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:03:40 +1000 Subject: Platform Converted d/b retains .pan attributes?? In-Reply-To: <20110819064638.CSX01652@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> References: <2F26F0F0-9A21-43F6-A176-ADB2700D1948@wideband.net.au> <20110819064638.CSX01652@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <92086A27-D738-4398-A57D-7DB7D847BDB3@wideband.net.au> No, the Remove Extensions box is checked. The other two are not (Convert & Open and RSR). I'm going to set up a very basic test which other can test for me. michael On 19/08/2011, at 9:46 PM, David Thompson wrote: >> I had a d/b called Audicon.pan sent from a PC to my Mac via a memory stick. I converted the file to Mac using the platform converter and opened it. >> >> The .Initialize procedure contains the command, OpenFile "Participants". When I open the d/b, I get an error message saying "File Participants.pan not found". Should the d/b have been zipped before transmission or is there some other problem? >> > > The Platform converter has a checkbox in the Windows to Mac section labeled Remove File Extensions. It sounds like that box wasn't checked. > > When the active file has a .pan extension, the OpenFile command expects the file it is opening to have one too, and it will automatically add it to the name it is supposed to be looking for, if it isn't already there. > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From steve at tlwsolutions.com Sat Aug 20 07:00:09 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:00:09 -0400 Subject: Server Record ID Message-ID: Is there a way on a shared database to select a record in a users database based on the unique server record ID? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From conable.1 at osu.edu Sat Aug 20 07:57:45 2011 From: conable.1 at osu.edu (William Conable) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:57:45 -0700 Subject: Server Record ID In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E4FCB69.3050803@osu.edu> Sure. Once you assign a unique server record ID to each record in the DB, it can be used as a key value for relational-type lookups and posting, and you can certainly select on it (if you know what it is for the record you want). I use it that way in a big multi-DB system with good success. You can assign the usrID as each record is created; or if you're working with an already-created DB, in a batch. If you're working with a large DB, you should unshare it so you can do a quick formula-fill or else use SERVERFORMULAFILL in a procedure (with care). IMHO, usrID is the method of choice in a situation like this. Note that there is also an internally-assigned server record ID, a serial number, which you can find out with an INFO function. You must not use this in a similar way (as I found out to my dismay), because every time you re-share the DB all those serial numbers change. But the unique server record ID never changes. You can use it in the same way with a non-shared DB, of course. Be very careful with your programming, though. It's possible to inadvertently create a duplicate record with the same usrID, with unexpected and unwanted consequences. Such a mistake took me months (and a lot of client frustration and anger) to track down. Bill Conable -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at tlwsolutions.com Sat Aug 20 08:09:09 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:09:09 -0400 Subject: Server Record ID In-Reply-To: <4E4FCB69.3050803@osu.edu> References: <4E4FCB69.3050803@osu.edu> Message-ID: Thanks Bill, For my current need, I discovered that Select str(info("ServerRecordID"))=vID where vID is the current serverid number that I grab from an array works great. I have implemented your suggestion in other databases. Steve On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:57 AM, William Conable wrote: > Sure. Once you assign a unique server record ID to each record in the DB, > it can be used as a key value for relational-type lookups and posting, and > you can certainly select on it (if you know what it is for the record you > want). I use it that way in a big multi-DB system with good success. You can > assign the usrID as each record is created; or if you're working with an > already-created DB, in a batch. If you're working with a large DB, you > should unshare it so you can do a quick formula-fill or else use > SERVERFORMULAFILL in a procedure (with care). > > IMHO, usrID is the method of choice in a situation like this. Note that > there is also an internally-assigned server record ID, a serial number, > which you can find out with an INFO function. You must not use this in a > similar way (as I found out to my dismay), because every time you re-share > the DB all those serial numbers change. But the unique server record ID > never changes. > > You can use it in the same way with a non-shared DB, of course. > > Be very careful with your programming, though. It's possible to > inadvertently create a duplicate record with the same usrID, with unexpected > and unwanted consequences. Such a mistake took me months (and a lot of > client frustration and anger) to track down. > > Bill Conable > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From botengapanorama at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 00:27:47 2011 From: botengapanorama at gmail.com (Dr. A.S.J. Botenga) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:27:47 +0200 Subject: false info from local In-Reply-To: <20110815075407.CSU89328@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> References: <6A7F6D8F-1D46-46C6-85C8-E8163F6CCD1B@gmail.com> <20110814083225.CSU64760@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> <20110815070446.CSU87782@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> <20110815075407.CSU89328@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <7CC5E519-D40D-40AF-9CB4-DB3AB051AACC@gmail.com> I was able to respond earlier but I would still like to thank you for your analysis. You even made that cryptic number 2147483648 crystal clear, although I reproach myself not having done some work on it, as a relatively simple multiplying by 2 and 5 times a square root leads to 2. Allard Op 15 aug 2011, om 14:54 heeft David Thompson het volgende geschreven: >> With 32 bits there are 2^32 or 4194967292 possible different values. > > Before anyone calls me on this, 2^32 is 4294967296, not 4194967292. I'm not sure how I came up with that other value. > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From botengapanorama at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 00:35:08 2011 From: botengapanorama at gmail.com (Dr. A.S.J. Botenga) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:35:08 +0200 Subject: false info from local In-Reply-To: <20110815070446.CSU87782@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> References: <6A7F6D8F-1D46-46C6-85C8-E8163F6CCD1B@gmail.com> <20110814083225.CSU64760@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> <20110815070446.CSU87782@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <67D01E4F-6720-4CA1-B864-AF87A28CA91F@gmail.com> Excuse me the number is 2147483647 Allard Op 15 aug 2011, om 14:04 heeft David Thompson het volgende geschreven: > Yes, Panorama 6 still has that limitation for the message statement. I really don't know why the message statement is limited to fixed point data types, but internally, fixed point numbers are 32 bits in length. With 32 bits there are 2^32 or 4194967292 possible different values. 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URL: From BillArleneBush at cs.com Sun Aug 21 09:03:14 2011 From: BillArleneBush at cs.com (BillArleneBush at cs.com) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: feature request for assigning procedures to a button Message-ID: <9a8d.7d5e9101.3b828642@cs.com> << On 8/19/11 at 1:45 PM, cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) wrote: >When creating a button which runs a procedure, I get a popup >list of all my procedures in the order they were created/saved. >I would love it if, when I option-click the button which >assigns the procedure to the button, the popup list changed >from non-alphabetized to an alpha list of procedures. >> In the procedure put the following; FileGlobal procList,theProc procList =dbinfo("Procedures","") procList =?(OptionClick(),ArraySort(procList,?),procList) PopUpButton procList,array(procList,1,?),theProc message "you selected "+theProc Bill Bush From jetpuck04 at mac.com Sun Aug 21 17:09:33 2011 From: jetpuck04 at mac.com (Peter Levitt) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:09:33 -0400 Subject: Strange date entry issue Message-ID: <6055DF96-0FC5-4718-B50C-31543C5965C0@mac.com> Let's hope its me. I'm using OS 10.7.1. I'm using Pano 6.0.0 Build 94356. I have a field called 'Date.' It is configured as a date field, left justified. I use an output pattern of "MM-DD-YY Day". In the past I could enter a date like this: 8.21 and Pano record/display it as 08/21/11 Thur. Now, when I enter 8.21 I get this error message "Month must be from 1 to 12. Click Re-edit to re-edit." So, if I enter the date as 21/8, it records the date correctly. Using 8/21, it blows up. Furthermore, if I enter Aug 21, it works. I checked my System Preference-Language & Text Formats and its set up for United States. What else could control the date format such that my mating switches back from European to US date format? I'm having this problem on my existing databases. Plus, I just made a test data base and I'm having the same problem. Can anyone else recreate this? Peter From JC at JamesCook.biz Sun Aug 21 17:42:26 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:42:26 -0400 Subject: Strange date entry issue In-Reply-To: <6055DF96-0FC5-4718-B50C-31543C5965C0@mac.com> References: <6055DF96-0FC5-4718-B50C-31543C5965C0@mac.com> Message-ID: <3164D95F-241E-4EA3-8047-55D9E2CF0511@JamesCook.biz> On Aug 21, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Peter Levitt wrote: > I'm using OS 10.7.1. I'm using Pano 6.0.0 Build 94356. Ditto on all counts. > I have a field called 'Date.' It is configured as a date field, left justified. I use an output pattern of "MM-DD-YY Day". In the past I could enter a date like this: 8.21 and Pano record/display it as 08/21/11 Thur. I created a new DB to test and set the output pattern and alignment to match yours. I can enter 8/21, 8.21, 8-21, etc and it shows as 08/21/2011 > So, if I enter the date as 21/8, it records the date correctly. I'd be inclined to look again at system settings. You say the System Preference-Language & Text Formats are set for US, but did you check the Date Formats? Even with US, yu can customize how they're formatted. Check the Customized settings and even if they're right, set them again. James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From audax at wideband.net.au Sun Aug 21 18:00:35 2011 From: audax at wideband.net.au (Michael Kellock) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:00:35 +1000 Subject: Strange date entry issue In-Reply-To: <6055DF96-0FC5-4718-B50C-31543C5965C0@mac.com> References: <6055DF96-0FC5-4718-B50C-31543C5965C0@mac.com> Message-ID: <9FC854CD-F8D0-4F8C-9594-EA1DDF6D138C@wideband.net.au> Try entering 21.8 - if it accepts this as 21 August, your date settings are not US. michael On 22/08/2011, at 10:09 AM, Peter Levitt wrote: > Let's hope its me. > > I'm using OS 10.7.1. I'm using Pano 6.0.0 Build 94356. > > I have a field called 'Date.' It is configured as a date field, left justified. I use an output pattern of "MM-DD-YY Day". In the past I could enter a date like this: 8.21 and Pano record/display it as 08/21/11 Thur. > > Now, when I enter 8.21 I get this error message "Month must be from 1 to 12. Click Re-edit to re-edit." > > So, if I enter the date as 21/8, it records the date correctly. Using 8/21, it blows up. Furthermore, if I enter Aug 21, it works. I checked my System Preference-Language & Text Formats and its set up for United States. What else could control the date format such that my mating switches back from European to US date format? > > I'm having this problem on my existing databases. Plus, I just made a test data base and I'm having the same problem. > > Can anyone else recreate this? > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From willardm1947 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 00:23:16 2011 From: willardm1947 at yahoo.com (willard martin) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 00:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Strange date entry issue In-Reply-To: <9FC854CD-F8D0-4F8C-9594-EA1DDF6D138C@wideband.net.au> References: <6055DF96-0FC5-4718-B50C-31543C5965C0@mac.com> <9FC854CD-F8D0-4F8C-9594-EA1DDF6D138C@wideband.net.au> Message-ID: <1313997796.44577.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I thought we were not suppose to use the word "Date" as a field name. I use "ThisDay" for that reason. ________________________________ From: Michael Kellock To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Strange date entry issue Try entering 21.8 - if it accepts this as 21 August, your date settings are not US. michael On 22/08/2011, at 10:09 AM, Peter Levitt wrote: > Let's hope its me. > > I'm using OS 10.7.1. I'm using Pano 6.0.0 Build 94356. > > I have a field called 'Date.' It is configured as a date field, left justified. I use an output pattern of "MM-DD-YY Day". In the past I could enter a date like this: 8.21 and Pano record/display it as 08/21/11 Thur. > > Now, when I enter 8.21 I get this error message "Month must be from 1 to 12. Click Re-edit to re-edit." > > So, if I enter the date as 21/8, it records the date correctly. Using 8/21, it blows up. Furthermore, if I enter Aug 21, it works. I checked my System Preference-Language & Text Formats and its set up for United States. What else could control the date format such that my mating switches back from European to US date format? > > I'm having this problem on my existing databases. Plus, I just made a test data base and I'm having the same problem. > > Can anyone else recreate this? > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Mon Aug 22 04:36:13 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 06:36:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Strange date entry issue In-Reply-To: <1313997796.44577.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6055DF96-0FC5-4718-B50C-31543C5965C0@mac.com> <9FC854CD-F8D0-4F8C-9594-EA1DDF6D138C@wideband.net.au> <1313997796.44577.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110822063613.CSX90879@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> > > I thought we were not suppose to use the word "Date" as a > field name. I use "ThisDay" for that reason. > It's not prohibited, and Panorama won't get confused. At least one member of this list has advised against it because of possible confusion with the date( function. Dave From jetpuck04 at mac.com Mon Aug 22 05:24:02 2011 From: jetpuck04 at mac.com (Peter Levitt) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:24:02 -0400 Subject: Strange date entry issue In-Reply-To: <9FC854CD-F8D0-4F8C-9594-EA1DDF6D138C@wideband.net.au> References: <6055DF96-0FC5-4718-B50C-31543C5965C0@mac.com> <9FC854CD-F8D0-4F8C-9594-EA1DDF6D138C@wideband.net.au> Message-ID: Tinker less, do more. Thanks for everyone's help. Peter On Aug 21, 2011, at 9:00 PM, Michael Kellock wrote: > Try entering 21.8 - if it accepts this as 21 August, your date settings are not US. > > michael > > > > > On 22/08/2011, at 10:09 AM, Peter Levitt wrote: > >> Let's hope its me. >> >> I'm using OS 10.7.1. I'm using Pano 6.0.0 Build 94356. >> >> I have a field called 'Date.' It is configured as a date field, left justified. I use an output pattern of "MM-DD-YY Day". In the past I could enter a date like this: 8.21 and Pano record/display it as 08/21/11 Thur. >> >> Now, when I enter 8.21 I get this error message "Month must be from 1 to 12. Click Re-edit to re-edit." >> >> So, if I enter the date as 21/8, it records the date correctly. Using 8/21, it blows up. Furthermore, if I enter Aug 21, it works. I checked my System Preference-Language & Text Formats and its set up for United States. What else could control the date format such that my mating switches back from European to US date format? >> >> I'm having this problem on my existing databases. Plus, I just made a test data base and I'm having the same problem. >> >> Can anyone else recreate this? >> >> Peter >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From FUNLIFE at centurytel.net Mon Aug 22 11:35:39 2011 From: FUNLIFE at centurytel.net (funlife) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:35:39 -0700 Subject: off topic In-Reply-To: <9FC854CD-F8D0-4F8C-9594-EA1DDF6D138C@wideband.net.au> References: <6055DF96-0FC5-4718-B50C-31543C5965C0@mac.com> <9FC854CD-F8D0-4F8C-9594-EA1DDF6D138C@wideband.net.au> Message-ID: <3A631590-7CEF-425C-8310-86206E8DD818@centurytel.net> Would anyone have the time to contact me off list to help me learn how to copy an entire dvd onto a mac for use with ipad? There is no rush. I have been able to convert movies and subtitles without a problem but am unable to convert such things as the director's commentary. John Axtell From qnaweb at provue.com Mon Aug 22 13:22:41 2011 From: qnaweb at provue.com (Les van Rooyen) Date: 22 Aug 2011 13:22:41 -0700 Subject: Relational Message-ID: How do I link multiple "tables" in Panorama Sheets with a common key? From rgbell1 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 05:30:20 2011 From: rgbell1 at gmail.com (Bob) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:30:20 -0400 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kurt and Steven Thanks for the info but I can't get it to work I have Pan 6 and Sys 10.6.8 >From the Panorama Reference Manual page 123 it says that cliptopictfile filename should put the pict image in the same folder as the database. This is what I did: 1. Created a procedure called EmployeePicts with only the statement cliptopictfile "John Smith" 2. When to Flash Art Scrapbook and copied John Smith's picture 3. Verified that the picture was on the clipboard 4. Ran the Procedure 5. The picture should be in the same folder as the database but it isn't SO 1. I tried specifying the exact path to the folder in the procedure to see if that might do it. So the procedure then read: cliptopictfile "Macintosh HD:Users:robert:Desktop:Employees:"+"John Smith" but the PICT file doesn't appear. Any thoughts on where I went wrong? Thanks Robert > copy to clipboard from FlashArt Scrapbook then use Panorama's statement: > CLIPTOPICTFILE filename > > if you have the Enhanced Image Pack installed you can convert to > graphic formats using: > convertimage input,output,type,height,width > > > On 8/18/11, Robert Bell wrote: >> Is there a way to retrieve the pictures with names from a large Flash Art >> Scrapbook to put them in a separate folder? >> Robert > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From pchance at quickdata.com Mon Aug 22 13:47:34 2011 From: pchance at quickdata.com (pchance at quickdata.com) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:47:34 -0500 Subject: Relational In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6a1d7170eadada6d81c3abd9afc3e2de.squirrel@www10.qth.com> You "bring over" or display data from one table (database file) in another via various statements like LookUp or GrabData. In other words, each file is itself "flat", but there is a rich set of commands that display or move data based on matching the contend of a field - what you would call a "common key". That common key gets set by your specification when you create a record. For example, if you created an invoice for a customer, at the time you created the customer record, you either assigned some code yourself our used one of Panorama's automatic numbering schemes to do it. When you created the invoice, part of the invoice record is that customer code; you would add it as part of a procedure. The user wouldn't see it, it would be tucked away in a "behind the scenes" procedure. Customers contact data lives in one file, invoices live in another (one could consider line items living in a third but that's extending things a bit). In order to see all invoices for a particular customer, you could have a list box object on a form that would populate with all invoices that match the particular customer number (again, a behind the scene's procedure). So you see, the customer file is a flat file, the invoice file is a flat file (and the line item file could be a flat file). There are numerous advantages to this when it comes to creating reports. For example, if you wanted to analyze your line item sales, you need only open the file that contains line item records. The concept of "relational" tables with the linking or common keys being handled automatically by the database engine itself some advantages. But it also has some disadvantages of creating a tremendous overhead that must be addressed with almost every action. With Panorama's scheme, the designer creates his/her own linking, you get much smaller individual files, and a lot of flexability in how you mix and match data. One other selling point is, if the end user ever wants to do something else, all the Panorama data can be exported to tab/comma delimited text files for import into the "next best thing". That kind of export/recovery is not so easy with traditional relational files. I'm thinking of all the HyperCard "databases" that were created long ago. After they got a little full and the owners wanted more functionality, they discovered they started looking for a non-existant "Export" statement. Paul QuickData > How do I link multiple "tables" in Panorama Sheets with a common key? > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From kjmeyer at mac.com Mon Aug 22 17:36:50 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 02:36:50 +0200 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob, let's talk about the cliptopictfile statement first, then about the alternative methods to export graphics from the Flash Art Scrapbook. 1. The syntax for the statement is cliptopictfile "filename" , and I do not know if the statement accepts any entered path. But I would strongly advice to use a suffix in the filename e. g. "John Smith.pict". There is no hidden suffix added, if you do not do it, and OS X has no chance to know what kind of file it is. Maybe that was the reason why your OS X thought you were creating an alias, not a PICT file. As documented, the statement creates a file in the same folder as the database. It does work for me, it works for Steven, it does not work for you. Maybe your OS X needs some maintenance? Use an utility like OnyX to rebuild the OS X database that connects documents with applications. 2. Remember, I told you to export a PICT from the Flash Art Scrapbook to GraphicConverter. After you have saved your pictures (as .jpg files) you can delete the entries in the FAS. I wrote that Lion's Preview app can't handle PICT files. This is not true: It can open .pict files, but it seems not to see the PICT clippings. I was not able to get the pictures by pressing cmd-N ("New from Clipboard") in Preview.app, but this way works in GraphicConverter. Best regards Kurt Am 19.08.2011 um 14:30 schrieb Bob: > Kurt and Steven > Thanks for the info but I can't get it to work > I have Pan 6 and Sys 10.6.8 > > From the Panorama Reference Manual page 123 it says that cliptopictfile > filename should put the pict image in the same folder as the database. This > is what I did: > 1. Created a procedure called EmployeePicts with only the statement > cliptopictfile "John Smith" > 2. When to Flash Art Scrapbook and copied John Smith's picture > 3. Verified that the picture was on the clipboard > 4. Ran the Procedure > 5. The picture should be in the same folder as the database but it isn't > SO > 1. I tried specifying the exact path to the folder in the procedure to see > if that might do it. So the procedure then read: > cliptopictfile "Macintosh HD:Users:robert:Desktop:Employees:"+"John Smith" > but the PICT file doesn't appear. > > Any thoughts on where I went wrong? > Thanks > Robert > > >> copy to clipboard from FlashArt Scrapbook then use Panorama's statement: >> CLIPTOPICTFILE filename >> >> if you have the Enhanced Image Pack installed you can convert to >> graphic formats using: >> convertimage input,output,type,height,width >> >> >> On 8/18/11, Robert Bell wrote: >>> Is there a way to retrieve the pictures with names from a large Flash Art >>> Scrapbook to put them in a separate folder? >>> Robert >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From kjmeyer at mac.com Mon Aug 22 17:43:27 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 02:43:27 +0200 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13DECF5F-FAE0-453C-911E-3E74CF59DADB@mac.com> Bob, let's talk about the cliptopictfile statement first, then about the alternative methods to export graphics from the Flash Art Scrapbook. 1. The syntax for the statement is cliptopictfile "filename" , and I do not know if the statement accepts any entered path. But I strongly advice you to use a suffix in the filename e. g. "John Smith.pict". There is no hidden suffix added, if you do not do it, and OS X has no chance to know what kind of file it is. Maybe that was the reason why your OS X thought you were creating an alias, not a PICT file. As documented, the statement creates a file in the same folder as the database. It does work for me, it works for Steven, it does not work for you. Maybe your OS X needs some maintenance? Use an utility like OnyX to rebuild the OS X database that connects documents with applications. 2. Remember, I told you: You can export a PICT from the Flash Art Scrapbook via Clipboard to GraphicConverter. After you have saved your pictures (as .jpg files) you can delete the entries in the FAS. I wrote that Lion's Preview app can't handle PICT files. This is not true: It can open .pict files, but it seems not to see the PICT clippings. I was not able to get the pictures by pressing cmd-N ("New from Clipboard") in Preview.app, but this way works in GraphicConverter. Best regards Kurt From rgbell at cogeco.ca Tue Aug 23 13:43:37 2011 From: rgbell at cogeco.ca (Robert Bell) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:43:37 -0400 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: <13DECF5F-FAE0-453C-911E-3E74CF59DADB@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Kurt Don't know if you saw but David T has the same problem as I. I have been working on another project but for sure will take your advice and use OnyX to see if the database link requires attention. If it still doesn't work I will re-install Pan. Will let you know the result. By the way I did use a suffix with the name (tried both .pict and .jpg) Although I didn't specify it at the beginning I have about 550 employee pictures to extract from the Flash Art Scrapbook. I do have the pictures as photos but don't really want to have to rescan to get them. I was hoping for a quick method to extract the photos into a folder. The method using GraphicConverter works well but is a lot of manual work. PAN won't let me record a procedure to get at the Flash Art Scrapbook. Automator might but just haven't had time to try it. Really appreciate your help. Robert > Bob, > > let's talk about the cliptopictfile statement first, then about the > alternative methods to export graphics from the Flash Art Scrapbook. > > 1. The syntax for the statement is cliptopictfile "filename" , and I do not > know if the statement accepts any entered path. > > But I strongly advice you to use a suffix in the filename e. g. "John > Smith.pict". There is no hidden suffix added, if you do not do it, and OS X > has no chance to know what kind of file it is. Maybe that was the reason why > your OS X thought you were creating an alias, not a PICT file. > > As documented, the statement creates a file in the same folder as the > database. It does work for me, it works for Steven, it does not work for you. > Maybe your OS X needs some maintenance? Use an utility like OnyX to rebuild > the OS X database that connects documents with applications. > > 2. Remember, I told you: You can export a PICT from the Flash Art Scrapbook > via Clipboard to GraphicConverter. After you have saved your pictures (as .jpg > files) you can delete the entries in the FAS. > > I wrote that Lion's Preview app can't handle PICT files. This is not true: It > can open .pict files, but it seems not to see the PICT clippings. I was not > able to get the pictures by pressing cmd-N ("New from Clipboard") in > Preview.app, but this way works in GraphicConverter. > > Best regards > Kurt > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From kjmeyer at mac.com Tue Aug 23 14:23:16 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 23:23:16 +0200 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <635D9EE1-248B-4FA5-B489-B2A2EC297E94@mac.com> Am 23.08.2011 um 22:43 schrieb Robert Bell: > PAN won't let me record a procedure to get at the Flash Art Scrapbook. There ? still ? is a menu command in the Picture menu: "Save Flash Art Scrapbook ?" I just tested it with Panorama 6 build 94356 under Lion (OS X 10.7.1). This command also creates a file that is (mis-)interpreted as an alias file by OS X. If I remember correctly, in the times of Mac OS 9 created a resource file containing the pict data. I think, it still does that today, but there are no resource forks in OS X. Now, this command produces an unusable file. I think, it makes no sense to leave this command in its current state. Jim, could this command be re-engineered e. g. to create a lot of PICT files in a folder? Kurt From gary at yonaites.com Tue Aug 23 14:35:49 2011 From: gary at yonaites.com (Gary Yonaites) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:35:49 -0700 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: <635D9EE1-248B-4FA5-B489-B2A2EC297E94@mac.com> References: <635D9EE1-248B-4FA5-B489-B2A2EC297E94@mac.com> Message-ID: <124D38E2-5181-44B4-AF90-53025E95AB72@yonaites.com> I was just about to send this message when I noticed Kurt's similar message but I'm shipping it along in case there is something that might be added. Along the lines of your problem with generating an invisible alias file using cliptopictfile, I ran across something that is probably related. To start with, I'm using an iMac with 10.6.8 and the latest build of Panorama 6. I was able to save a file using cliptopictfile without a problem but when I experimented using the Save Flash Art Scrapbook option from the Flash Art Scrapbook I created an invisible alias file the same as you are experiencing with cliptopictfile. I then opened the same file in Panorama 5.5.2 and it created a normal visible file. Something is changed in Panorama 6 that is messing the file flags up and creating this problem although I don't know how it would affect you one way and me another. If you still have Panorama 5.5.2, you might want to give your file a try using that older version and see what happens. Gary gary at yonaites.com On Aug 23, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Kurt J. Meyer wrote: > > Am 23.08.2011 um 22:43 schrieb Robert Bell: > >> PAN won't let me record a procedure to get at the Flash Art Scrapbook. > > There ? still ? is a menu command in the Picture menu: "Save Flash Art Scrapbook ?" > > I just tested it with Panorama 6 build 94356 under Lion (OS X 10.7.1). This command also creates a file that is (mis-)interpreted as an alias file by OS X. > > If I remember correctly, in the times of Mac OS 9 created a resource file containing the pict data. I think, it still does that today, but there are no resource forks in OS X. Now, this command produces an unusable file. I think, it makes no sense to leave this command in its current state. > > Jim, could this command be re-engineered e. g. to create a lot of PICT files in a folder? > > Kurt > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From kjmeyer at mac.com Tue Aug 23 14:38:56 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 23:38:56 +0200 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6833E364-CFB8-478B-BB3C-2B41B0FDDFE0@mac.com> Am 23.08.2011 um 22:43 schrieb Robert Bell: > I have about 550 employee > pictures to extract from the Flash Art Scrapbook. O.K., I found a way to extract lots of PICT files out of the Flash Art Scrapbook: File Juicer by Echo One. Drag the Panorama database file into File Juicer's window. File Juicer then shows all kind of "resources" it found in the database file. You will find all your Flash Art Scrapbook entries in a folder called "pct". Kurt From rgbell at cogeco.ca Tue Aug 23 14:56:12 2011 From: rgbell at cogeco.ca (Robert Bell) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:56:12 -0400 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: <635D9EE1-248B-4FA5-B489-B2A2EC297E94@mac.com> Message-ID: Kurt Ran OnyX. It made my desktop look like spaghetti but everything is there so just had to re-arrange. ClipToPictFile still doesn't work. Just tried to save the Scrapbook using the Save Flash Art Scrapbook into the same folder as the database after changing the name. Opened FileBuddy and sure enough it is an invisible file as an alias, just like the others. Pan 6.0.0 build 94356 OS X 10.6.8 Will wait to see what Jim says. Robert > > Am 23.08.2011 um 22:43 schrieb Robert Bell: > >> PAN won't let me record a procedure to get at the Flash Art Scrapbook. > > There ? still ? is a menu command in the Picture menu: "Save Flash Art > Scrapbook ?" > > I just tested it with Panorama 6 build 94356 under Lion (OS X 10.7.1). This > command also creates a file that is (mis-)interpreted as an alias file by OS > X. > > If I remember correctly, in the times of Mac OS 9 created a resource file > containing the pict data. I think, it still does that today, but there are no > resource forks in OS X. Now, this command produces an unusable file. I think, > it makes no sense to leave this command in its current state. > > Jim, could this command be re-engineered e. g. to create a lot of PICT files > in a folder? > > Kurt > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From jayschille at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 15:25:04 2011 From: jayschille at gmail.com (Jay Schille) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:25:04 -0700 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: <6833E364-CFB8-478B-BB3C-2B41B0FDDFE0@mac.com> References: <6833E364-CFB8-478B-BB3C-2B41B0FDDFE0@mac.com> Message-ID: Kurt, File Juicer doesn't work for me. I dragged a Pan file with about 15 items in its Flash Art Scrapbook to File Juicer, and it did nothing except show "ZEPD" in the upper right corner of its window with a link to its website showing the file types it supports.(Panorama apparently not being one of them.) On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Kurt J. Meyer wrote: > > Am 23.08.2011 um 22:43 schrieb Robert Bell: > > > I have about 550 employee > > pictures to extract from the Flash Art Scrapbook. > > O.K., I found a way to extract lots of PICT files out of the Flash Art > Scrapbook: File Juicer by Echo One. > > Drag the Panorama database file into File Juicer's window. File Juicer then > shows all kind of "resources" it found in the database file. You will find > all your Flash Art Scrapbook entries in a folder called "pct". > > Kurt > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > -- Jay Schille -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjmeyer at mac.com Tue Aug 23 15:30:50 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 00:30:50 +0200 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: References: <6833E364-CFB8-478B-BB3C-2B41B0FDDFE0@mac.com> Message-ID: Am 24.08.2011 um 00:25 schrieb Jay Schille: > Kurt, File Juicer doesn't work for me. I dragged a Pan file with about 15 items in its Flash Art Scrapbook to File Juicer, and it did nothing except show "ZEPD" in the upper right corner of its window with a link to its website showing the file types it supports.(Panorama apparently not being one of them.) And there is no new folder on your desktop (called "1 Juice")? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jayschille at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 15:34:16 2011 From: jayschille at gmail.com (Jay Schille) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:34:16 -0700 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: References: <6833E364-CFB8-478B-BB3C-2B41B0FDDFE0@mac.com> Message-ID: No folder so named on my desktop. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Kurt J. Meyer wrote: > > Am 24.08.2011 um 00:25 schrieb Jay Schille: > > Kurt, File Juicer doesn't work for me. I dragged a Pan file with about 15 > items in its Flash Art Scrapbook to File Juicer, and it did nothing except > show "ZEPD" in the upper right corner of its window with a link to its > website showing the file types it supports.(Panorama apparently not being > one of them.) > > > And there is no new folder on your desktop (called "1 Juice")? > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > -- Jay Schille -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jayschille at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 16:10:15 2011 From: jayschille at gmail.com (Jay Schille) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:10:15 -0700 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: References: <6833E364-CFB8-478B-BB3C-2B41B0FDDFE0@mac.com> Message-ID: I apologize. The copy of FIle Juicer I downloaded today announced that its trial period had expired. (!?) Paying 17.95 to register the application fixed my problem and it worked on my sample Pan file exactly as you described it. File Juicer looks to be a fairly inexpensive workaround for extracting graphic files from Flash Art scrapbooks. Thanks for the tip. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Jay Schille wrote: > No folder so named on my desktop. > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Kurt J. Meyer wrote: > >> >> Am 24.08.2011 um 00:25 schrieb Jay Schille: >> >> Kurt, File Juicer doesn't work for me. I dragged a Pan file with about 15 >> items in its Flash Art Scrapbook to File Juicer, and it did nothing except >> show "ZEPD" in the upper right corner of its window with a link to its >> website showing the file types it supports.(Panorama apparently not being >> one of them.) >> >> >> And there is no new folder on your desktop (called "1 Juice")? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> >> > > > -- > Jay Schille > -- Jay Schille -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm pretty sure Panorama's menus are still menu resources, and the error messages that appear when something goes wrong are STR# resources. If the resource fork doesn't exist in OS X, then Panorama shouldn't be working at all. Dave From mcleodrb at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 20:13:56 2011 From: mcleodrb at gmail.com (robertmcleod) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:58:56 +0545 Subject: Checker board on map Message-ID: Hi all - I am getting a red & blue checkerboard effect when I display a map. I can just see the map under the checkerboard, but it is obscured somewhat by the checkerboard. I also get this effect on the right side frame when opening the Documentation:Help & Documentation Wizard window. Anyone else getting this? Any suggestions for remedy? Many thanks. (Running Pan 6.0.0 on an iMac, OS 10.5.8) From JC at JamesCook.biz Tue Aug 23 21:12:54 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 00:12:54 -0400 Subject: Checker board on map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <485A8672-164D-423D-81DA-E64135BF67C1@JamesCook.biz> You don't have the Enhanced Image Pack enabled. Panorama is unique in requiring an add on license for you to be able to work with and view images. On Aug 23, 2011, at 11:13 PM, robertmcleod wrote: > Hi all - I am getting a red & blue checkerboard effect when I display a map. I can just see the map under the checkerboard, but it is obscured somewhat by the checkerboard. > I also get this effect on the right side frame when opening the Documentation:Help & Documentation Wizard window. > Anyone else getting this? Any suggestions for remedy? Many thanks. > (Running Pan 6.0.0 on an iMac, OS 10.5.8) James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjmeyer at mac.com Wed Aug 24 07:47:52 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:47:52 +0200 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: References: <6833E364-CFB8-478B-BB3C-2B41B0FDDFE0@mac.com> Message-ID: Am 24.08.2011 um 01:10 schrieb Jay Schille: > The copy of FIle Juicer I downloaded today announced that its trial period had expired. (!?) Paying 17.95 to register the application fixed my problem and it worked on my sample Pan file exactly as you described it. > > File Juicer looks to be a fairly inexpensive workaround for extracting graphic files from Flash Art scrapbooks. Thanks for the tip. Visit www.themacbundles.com. If you find 5 utilities you like, you can get File Juicer (and the other utilities) for $ 5.95 each! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rgbell at cogeco.ca Wed Aug 24 07:52:58 2011 From: rgbell at cogeco.ca (Robert Bell) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:52:58 -0400 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: <6833E364-CFB8-478B-BB3C-2B41B0FDDFE0@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Kurt and All Tried File Juicer 4.28. It created a folder on the desktop called Employee Juice. Inside In the pct folder was a large file 180.5 MB Employee.pct (The same size as the database). When openedit in Preview it displays only the first photo in the Flash Art Scrapbook. When I tried opening Employee.pct in GraphicConverter I got the same result. I would think a typical photo for an employee would only be 35kb. The photos may all be in the large file but I'm not sure how to get to them. Robert > > Am 23.08.2011 um 22:43 schrieb Robert Bell: > >> I have about 550 employee >> pictures to extract from the Flash Art Scrapbook. > > O.K., I found a way to extract lots of PICT files out of the Flash Art > Scrapbook: File Juicer by Echo One. > > Drag the Panorama database file into File Juicer's window. File Juicer then > shows all kind of "resources" it found in the database file. You will find all > your Flash Art Scrapbook entries in a folder called "pct". > > Kurt > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From JC at JamesCook.biz Wed Aug 24 10:43:31 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:43:31 -0400 Subject: CUPs revisited Message-ID: <5F708282-A918-435C-8CBB-427324A6AA37@JamesCook.biz> In April I posted here about problems getting CUPs to work in printing PDFs. I have multiple needs for this to work so I've been trying again and meeting the very same obstacles. On two different computers, one running Snow Leopard, the other running Lion, I got a type mismatch until I create the "cups-pdf" folder on the desktop. Once that's done, on both computers Panorama reports that the PDF failed to print within 30 seconds. That's a complete repeat of my experience last Spring. CUPs has been freshly installed on both computers and selected as the Default printer in the Printers System Preferences. I can't believe I'm the only one that can't get this (potentially) very useful feature to work. Any and all suggestions are welcome as to how I can create PDFs from Panorama forms via procedures. James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjmeyer at mac.com Wed Aug 24 10:53:15 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:53:15 +0200 Subject: Flash Art Scrapbook Reversal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Am 24.08.2011 um 16:52 schrieb Robert Bell: > Inside In the pct folder was a large file 180.5 MB Employee.pct (The > same size as the database). When openedit in Preview it displays only the > first photo in the Flash Art Scrapbook. When I tried opening Employee.pct in > GraphicConverter I got the same result. I would think a typical photo for an > employee would only be 35kb. The photos may all be in the large file but I'm > not sure how to get to them. GraphicConverter can handle multi page documents. Perhaps you file is one? From kjmeyer at mac.com Wed Aug 24 11:04:47 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:04:47 +0200 Subject: CUPs revisited In-Reply-To: <5F708282-A918-435C-8CBB-427324A6AA37@JamesCook.biz> References: <5F708282-A918-435C-8CBB-427324A6AA37@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: Am 24.08.2011 um 19:43 schrieb James Cook: > Any and all suggestions are welcome as to how I can create PDFs from Panorama forms via procedures. James, here is some printpdf related code I found buried in one of my databases: printpdf {} /* creates PDF in the database folder printpdf { path=quoted(info("DesktopFolder")) } /* creates PDF file in the root level, since CUPS stops because of a space in the name of the volume printpdf { path="MacBook Pro/Users/kjm/Desktop Folder/" } /* creates PDF file in the root level, since CUPS stops because of a space in the name of the volume printpdf { path=}+quoted(folderpath(info("DesktopFolder"))) /* (code by Dave Thompson) creates PDF on the user's desktop Personally, I prefer to make use of a dedicated form for Save to PDF (with the PDF option in OS X's print dialog). Once this form was used for this purpose, Panorama remembers the print settings (and the name and path of the saved PDF file), and you can repeat the task with a simple print statement in a procedure. Kurt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps you file is one? > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From JC at JamesCook.biz Wed Aug 24 11:42:41 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:42:41 -0400 Subject: CUPs revisited In-Reply-To: References: <5F708282-A918-435C-8CBB-427324A6AA37@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: <64FB7172-02DF-4D84-9A70-1E87C20822E6@JamesCook.biz> After a lot of effort I've determined that it's apparently a problem in the path that Panorama is using for the PDF. The PDFs are being created but in a different location than where Panorama is expecting them. Panorama is trying to use: homesubfolder("Desktop") But this is the actual path ( at least on 10.6 and 10.7 ): arrayfirst(info("Volumes"),?)+":private:var:spool:cups-pdf:"+info("unixusername") Now I have to try to work that into _PrinterLib in all the places and ways it's used there. :-( James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web Jim at JamesCook.biz 616.928.2221 http://JamesCook.biz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JC at JamesCook.biz Wed Aug 24 11:46:38 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:46:38 -0400 Subject: CUPs revisited In-Reply-To: References: <5F708282-A918-435C-8CBB-427324A6AA37@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: <9EF2E711-D35D-45DE-A72D-7FD7B1521B0E@JamesCook.biz> Thanks Kurt My main purpose in pursuing this is that I need it done with no human intervention and no print dialog window appearing. I still do need it for other reasons as well. I have to wonder what OS you'e on. I've used all sorts of variations o what you're using and that's where it has failed, but obviously due to path issues. On Aug 24, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Kurt J. Meyer wrote: > > Am 24.08.2011 um 19:43 schrieb James Cook: > >> Any and all suggestions are welcome as to how I can create PDFs from Panorama forms via procedures. > > James, > here is some printpdf related code I found buried in one of my databases: > > printpdf {} > /* creates PDF in the database folder > > printpdf { path=quoted(info("DesktopFolder")) } > /* creates PDF file in the root level, since CUPS stops because of a space in the name of the volume > > printpdf { path="MacBook Pro/Users/kjm/Desktop Folder/" } > /* creates PDF file in the root level, since CUPS stops because of a space in the name of the volume > > printpdf { path=}+quoted(folderpath(info("DesktopFolder"))) > /* (code by Dave Thompson) creates PDF on the user's desktop > > > Personally, I prefer to make use of a dedicated form for Save to PDF (with the PDF option in OS X's print dialog). Once this form was used for this purpose, Panorama remembers the print settings (and the name and path of the saved PDF file), and you can repeat the task with a simple print statement in a procedure. > > Kurt > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net Wed Aug 24 17:33:43 2011 From: cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:33:43 -0700 Subject: too many procedures? Message-ID: <3F6D87B7-AEA5-4814-85DC-5063EA9D8A73@qwestoffice.net> when in a procedure window, the popup list of procedures does not show all the procedures. (I have quite a few) Craig McPherson From audax at wideband.net.au Wed Aug 24 19:01:16 2011 From: audax at wideband.net.au (Michael Kellock) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:01:16 +1000 Subject: too many procedures? In-Reply-To: <3F6D87B7-AEA5-4814-85DC-5063EA9D8A73@qwestoffice.net> References: <3F6D87B7-AEA5-4814-85DC-5063EA9D8A73@qwestoffice.net> Message-ID: <51BA6137-949E-4E6C-A1FF-C1C0E2B782D7@wideband.net.au> How many is quite a few? I have a d/b which shows 35 forms and about 50 procedures (in a two-column layout). I get the impression that the limit is waaaay above that. michael On 25/08/2011, at 10:33 AM, Craig McPherson wrote: > when in a procedure window, the popup list of procedures does not show all the procedures. > (I have quite a few) > Craig McPherson > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From foundationdatabook at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 19:27:03 2011 From: foundationdatabook at gmail.com (Craig McPherson) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:27:03 -0700 Subject: too many procedures? In-Reply-To: <51BA6137-949E-4E6C-A1FF-C1C0E2B782D7@wideband.net.au> References: <3F6D87B7-AEA5-4814-85DC-5063EA9D8A73@qwestoffice.net> <51BA6137-949E-4E6C-A1FF-C1C0E2B782D7@wideband.net.au> Message-ID: the two column format is what shows up when I ask for a list of procedures using right-click when in a procedure window. It needs more columns...as when all 250 or so procedures appear by clicking View in the menubar....(many of which I no longer use but have not jettisoned. Realize another trick I'd like to do with Panorama?...no problem, just write another procedure.) Thanks, Craig McPherson On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Michael Kellock wrote: > How many is quite a few? I have a d/b which shows 35 forms and about 50 > procedures (in a two-column layout). I get the impression that the limit is > waaaay above that. > > michael > > > On 25/08/2011, at 10:33 AM, Craig McPherson wrote: > > > when in a procedure window, the popup list of procedures does not show > all the procedures. > > (I have quite a few) > > Craig McPherson > > _______________________________________________ > > Qna mailing list > > Qna at provue.com > > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foundationdatabook at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 19:29:40 2011 From: foundationdatabook at gmail.com (Craig McPherson) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:29:40 -0700 Subject: too many procedures? In-Reply-To: References: <3F6D87B7-AEA5-4814-85DC-5063EA9D8A73@qwestoffice.net> <51BA6137-949E-4E6C-A1FF-C1C0E2B782D7@wideband.net.au> Message-ID: sorry, four columns show, but alphabetically it only reaches the 're-initialize' procedure and others like Save/s, which are alphabetically beyond 're-initialize' do not appear. Craig McPherson On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Craig McPherson < foundationdatabook at gmail.com> wrote: > the two column format is what shows up when I ask for a list of procedures > using right-click when in a procedure window. It needs more columns...as > when all 250 or so procedures appear by clicking View in the > menubar....(many of which I no longer use but have not jettisoned. Realize > another trick I'd like to do with Panorama?...no problem, just write another > procedure.) > > Thanks, > > Craig McPherson > > > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Michael Kellock wrote: > >> How many is quite a few? I have a d/b which shows 35 forms and about 50 >> procedures (in a two-column layout). I get the impression that the limit is >> waaaay above that. >> >> michael >> >> >> On 25/08/2011, at 10:33 AM, Craig McPherson wrote: >> >> > when in a procedure window, the popup list of procedures does not show >> all the procedures. >> > (I have quite a few) >> > Craig McPherson >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Qna mailing list >> > Qna at provue.com >> > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From audax at wideband.net.au Wed Aug 24 20:54:02 2011 From: audax at wideband.net.au (Michael Kellock) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:54:02 +1000 Subject: too many procedures? In-Reply-To: References: <3F6D87B7-AEA5-4814-85DC-5063EA9D8A73@qwestoffice.net> <51BA6137-949E-4E6C-A1FF-C1C0E2B782D7@wideband.net.au> Message-ID: Then I guess you've reached the limit. michael On 25/08/2011, at 12:29 PM, Craig McPherson wrote: > sorry, four columns show, but alphabetically it only reaches the 're-initialize' procedure and others like Save/s, which are alphabetically beyond 're-initialize' do not appear. > Craig McPherson > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Craig McPherson wrote: > the two column format is what shows up when I ask for a list of procedures using right-click when in a procedure window. It needs more columns...as when all 250 or so procedures appear by clicking View in the menubar....(many of which I no longer use but have not jettisoned. Realize another trick I'd like to do with Panorama?...no problem, just write another procedure.) > > Thanks, > > Craig McPherson > > > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Michael Kellock wrote: > How many is quite a few? I have a d/b which shows 35 forms and about 50 procedures (in a two-column layout). I get the impression that the limit is waaaay above that. > > michael > > > On 25/08/2011, at 10:33 AM, Craig McPherson wrote: > > > when in a procedure window, the popup list of procedures does not show all the procedures. > > (I have quite a few) > > Craig McPherson > > _______________________________________________ > > Qna mailing list > > Qna at provue.com > > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcleodrb at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 00:20:10 2011 From: mcleodrb at gmail.com (robertmcleod) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:05:10 +0545 Subject: Checker board on map Message-ID: <3A113FFC-EFE6-47CB-B1B6-37D713BA27B0@gmail.com> Thank you James. After years of using Panorama, it still amazes me what I am missing! - Bob From kjmeyer at mac.com Thu Aug 25 02:06:36 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:06:36 +0200 Subject: too many procedures? In-Reply-To: References: <3F6D87B7-AEA5-4814-85DC-5063EA9D8A73@qwestoffice.net> <51BA6137-949E-4E6C-A1FF-C1C0E2B782D7@wideband.net.au> Message-ID: Am 25.08.2011 um 04:29 schrieb Craig McPherson: > sorry, four columns show, but alphabetically it only reaches the 're-initialize' procedure and others like Save/s, which are alphabetically beyond 're-initialize' do not appear. You can access all the procedures with the help of the "Programming Assistant" in the Edit menu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm seeking an older copy that will install on Leopard since the web server I'll be using is on that OS. Onward.... James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From qnaweb at provue.com Thu Aug 25 15:28:13 2011 From: qnaweb at provue.com (John Morton) Date: 25 Aug 2011 15:28:13 -0700 Subject: Printing to and Adobe PDF Message-ID: I am running Windows 7 Home Premium and when I print from a form to an ADOBE PDF I get gibberish in the cells. This only happens when I print this on Windows 7, it works fine on my XP and on my Mac. It also prints fine to my HP Laserjet. From audax at wideband.net.au Thu Aug 25 15:46:03 2011 From: audax at wideband.net.au (Michael Kellock) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:46:03 +1000 Subject: CUPs revisited In-Reply-To: <61072370-9DFA-4067-A5D7-C142FD6C996D@JamesCook.biz> References: <5F708282-A918-435C-8CBB-427324A6AA37@JamesCook.biz> <9EF2E711-D35D-45DE-A72D-7FD7B1521B0E@JamesCook.biz> <61072370-9DFA-4067-A5D7-C142FD6C996D@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: And it makes life so much easier for the rest of us :) michael On 26/08/2011, at 12:59 AM, James Cook wrote: > I love these threads where I mostly talk to myself. I press on though on the assumption that others are interested in what I've learned and maybe some will have additional ideas or information. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at abernackie.com Thu Aug 25 17:35:57 2011 From: mark at abernackie.com (Mark Terry) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:35:57 -0400 Subject: CUPs revisited In-Reply-To: <61072370-9DFA-4067-A5D7-C142FD6C996D@JamesCook.biz> References: <5F708282-A918-435C-8CBB-427324A6AA37@JamesCook.biz> <9EF2E711-D35D-45DE-A72D-7FD7B1521B0E@JamesCook.biz> <61072370-9DFA-4067-A5D7-C142FD6C996D@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: <710242FC-24BD-46E3-BE1A-923D8668F164@abernackie.com> I like these threads too, Jim, and nearly always give them some thought. Trouble is, you tend to solve them while I'm still contemplating... ;) Would it help for you to use a scripting language - Python, perhaps - to print-to-pdf? I've seen instances where scripts could convert html to pdf, for example, and there many other variations. Would that work for you? M On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:59 AM, James Cook wrote: > I love these threads where I mostly talk to myself. I press on > though on the assumption that others are interested in what I've > learned and maybe some will have additional ideas or information. > > CUPs-PDF for Snow Leopard and Lion is different than previous > versions and needs a revision of Panorama's _PrinterLib to handle > it properly. Mostly it appears to be path issues, so hopefully such > an update is't a big deal. > > The current 2.5 release of CUPs does not work on Leopard. It's re- > written for 64-bit execution and never shows up in the Printers list > of Leopard or older systems. I'm seeking an older copy that will > install on Leopard since the web server I'll be using is on that OS. > > Onward.... > > > > > James Cook > JC at JamesCook.biz > > Founder of HindSight Ltd. > http://HSLtd.us > > Panorama Tutoring > Custom Panorama Applications > Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at stillpoint.us Thu Aug 25 19:05:13 2011 From: scott at stillpoint.us (Scott Corbett) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:05:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: CUPs revisited In-Reply-To: <61072370-9DFA-4067-A5D7-C142FD6C996D@JamesCook.biz> References: <5F708282-A918-435C-8CBB-427324A6AA37@JamesCook.biz> <9EF2E711-D35D-45DE-A72D-7FD7B1521B0E@JamesCook.biz> <61072370-9DFA-4067-A5D7-C142FD6C996D@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: <2BF1FCE9-F8F4-478E-A41C-C6AB0D3A205B@stillpoint.us> James, I use CUPS to print pdf files several times a week. Hope my code can help you with your solution. I'm using a two year old version of CUPS. Once I get my front office computer working with the suite of applications I need, I rarely update any of them. Only the OS security updates. First I call a program that makes the CUPS printer the default printer via applescript. Call ".Set Printer CUPS" Print "NoDialog" Call ".Set Printer Restore" The ".Set Printer CUPS" procedure: ExecuteAppleScript { Tell application "Printer Setup Utility" set current printer to printer "CUPS-PDF" End Tell} Then the Restore Printer proc. moves a copy of a pre saved Prefs file back to the Printer Prefs in the OS Library to make the prior printer default again. Skip this if you can do it manually. ExecuteApplescript { tell application "Finder" Duplicate document file "com.apple.print.custompresets.plist" of folder "Print Trays Restore" of folder "}+DBPath+{" ? to folder "Preferences" of folder "Library" of item "office" of folder "Users" of startup disk ? with replacing end tell} ExecuteAppleScript { Tell application "Printer Setup Utility" set current printer to printer "Front Office 2100" End Tell} ; delete document file "com.apple.print.custompresets.plist" of folder "Preferences" of folder "Library" of item "office" of folder "Users" of startup disk ; empty trash Hope it helps, Scott On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:59 AM, James Cook wrote: > I love these threads where I mostly talk to myself. I press on though on the assumption that others are interested in what I've learned and maybe some will have additional ideas or information. > > CUPs-PDF for Snow Leopard and Lion is different than previous versions and needs a revision of Panorama's _PrinterLib to handle it properly. Mostly it appears to be path issues, so hopefully such an update is't a big deal. > > The current 2.5 release of CUPs does not work on Leopard. It's re-written for 64-bit execution and never shows up in the Printers list of Leopard or older systems. I'm seeking an older copy that will install on Leopard since the web server I'll be using is on that OS. > > Onward.... > > > > > James Cook > JC at JamesCook.biz > > Founder of HindSight Ltd. > http://HSLtd.us > > Panorama Tutoring > Custom Panorama Applications > Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna Scott Corbett, D.O. Stillpoint Osteopathic, Ltd. http://www.stillpoint.us 952-920-0846 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron From wahib at gsc2000.com Fri Aug 26 06:19:49 2011 From: wahib at gsc2000.com (Wahib Afyouni) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:19:49 +0400 Subject: Printing In Newer Versions of Panorama In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 20, 2011, at 6:18 AM, James Rea wrote: >> > > Use the Reset Page Setup command in the Setup menu. You may need to do this for each form you want to print. Be sure to save afterwards, or you'll have to do it again. > > I have a procedure that used to print correctly from a crosstab. Now it prints automatically to a Mail PDF. This is not a major problem as I can manually print it but I wonder what happened. But there is no Reset Page Setup command in cross tabs so I was unable to find a solution. By the way I recently created another procedure on a different file which gives a print dialog for manual printing to a Mail PDF. Could this be related ? <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Best Regards Dr. Wahib S. 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But there is no Reset Page Setup command in cross tabs so I was unable to find a solution. > > Panorama saves the print settings of a form in a permanent variable. All you need to do with your cross tab is to set up the printer settings again and print once manually. Then the print statement in your procedure should get the correct settings again. > > (Indeed, it seems that the print variables of your two files were messed up at some point.) > > Kurt > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JC at JamesCook.biz Fri Aug 26 12:06:55 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:06:55 -0400 Subject: Printing In Newer Versions of Panorama In-Reply-To: <055E69F8-F0DB-4C4E-B490-1F158C65CC3E@gsc2000.com> References: <055E69F8-F0DB-4C4E-B490-1F158C65CC3E@gsc2000.com> Message-ID: <5AEC1455-57F0-46AC-B10F-9246466B8F20@JamesCook.biz> Go to Print & Scan in your System Preferences and be sure that your default printer is properly set. Then as Kurt suggested, in the Cross Tab window, go to Page Setup and reset it. Click OK not Cancel even if it's right. Then manually print and if it prints properly Save. As long as that works, your procedure should too. On Aug 26, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Wahib Afyouni wrote: > This did not work. > > And even if it would work, would this be the right solution ? More importantly how could these variables get entangled causing this mess up ?? > > > On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Kurt J. Meyer wrote: > >> >> Am 26.08.2011 um 15:19 schrieb Wahib Afyouni: >> >>> I have a procedure that used to print correctly from a crosstab. Now it prints automatically to a Mail PDF. This is not a major problem as I can manually print it but I wonder what happened. But there is no Reset Page Setup command in cross tabs so I was unable to find a solution. >> >> Panorama saves the print settings of a form in a permanent variable. All you need to do with your cross tab is to set up the printer settings again and print once manually. Then the print statement in your procedure should get the correct settings again. >> >> (Indeed, it seems that the print variables of your two files were messed up at some point.) >> >> Kurt >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim From Jim at JamesCook.biz Sun Aug 28 05:54:30 2011 From: Jim at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 08:54:30 -0400 Subject: CUPs revisited In-Reply-To: <0284FF61-DB93-49CF-A517-7D214540CEBE@JamesCook.biz> References: <5F708282-A918-435C-8CBB-427324A6AA37@JamesCook.biz> <9EF2E711-D35D-45DE-A72D-7FD7B1521B0E@JamesCook.biz> <61072370-9DFA-4067-A5D7-C142FD6C996D@JamesCook.biz> <2BF1FCE9-F8F4-478E-A41C-C6AB0D3A205B@stillpoint.us> <0284FF61-DB93-49CF-A517-7D214540CEBE@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: <80293A68-3D21-4D54-8593-2CE408D94E86@JamesCook.biz> Jim R, I assumed you weren't around since you hadn't commented, but I see that you posted yesterday. Can we look for a fix on this? When I brought it up in April you speculated that I had CUPS installed wrong, but suggested that I step through _PrinterLib to find and fix any problem. I've stepped through it and found what appears to be the problem for Snow Leopard and Lion, but fixing my copy does nothing to help those for whom I'd like to make some direct PDF printing available. On Aug 26, 2011, at 1:52 PM, James Cook wrote: > Thanks Scott, the AppleScript is a nice touch to get around the need to have CUPS set as the Default Printer. > > I'll continue to hope that ProVUE will revise _PrinterLib to be compatible with 10.6 and 10.7. PDF printing is becoming more common so this will be an increasingly important capability. > James Cook Jim at JamesCook.biz 616.928.2221 http://JamesCook.biz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JC at JamesCook.biz Sun Aug 28 09:36:26 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:36:26 -0400 Subject: PHP Problem Message-ID: <1B29D98E-13AA-4DB2-9B18-A67378F3ECEF@JamesCook.biz> I'm using PHP through Panorama to send email with attachments. I've got the full Absolute path for the attachment in the PHP script and have repeatedly confirmed that it's correct. When the script runs though, PHP generates an error: Warning: fopen(Macintosh HD/Library/WebServer/Documents/ASite/SomeFiles/TheDesired.pdf): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /private/var/folders/cO/cOJR83ytEkeFACn7Oaltu++++TM/-Tmp-/TemporaryItems/pn.2011.08.28.10.33.55.600.php on line 25 The missing file is the temp file created then deleted by Panorama. I suspected that maybe it was being deleted before it could be run, causing the error. So I commented out the SafeFileTrash in _UtilityLib's PHP. t made no difference. The PHP error continues to be that there is no such file or directory. Is Panorama's use of the TemporaryItems folder somehow misleading PHP as to the location of the files? How can I be any more specific on where they're located than an absolute path? 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I've got the full Absolute >path for the attachment in the PHP script and >have repeatedly confirmed that it's correct. > >When the script runs though, PHP generates an error: >Warning: fopen(Macintosh >HD/Library/WebServer/Documents/ASite/SomeFiles/TheDesired.pdf): >failed to open stream: No such file or directory >in >/private/var/folders/cO/cOJR83ytEkeFACn7Oaltu++++TM/-Tmp-/TemporaryItems/pn.2011.08.28.10.33.55.600.php >on line 25 > >The missing file is the temp file created then >deleted by Panorama. I suspected that maybe it >was being deleted before it could be run, >causing the error. So I commented out the >SafeFileTrash in _UtilityLib's PHP. t made no >difference. The PHP error continues to be that >there is no such file or directory. > >Is Panorama's use of the TemporaryItems folder >somehow misleading PHP as to the location of the >files? >How can I be any more specific on where they're located than an absolute path? LOL. I would presume that you probably couldn't. Have you I tried creating a pdf, moving it to a safe, known place, attaching it via your php script, then deleting the pdf? Or even just attaching a known good pdf that is already existing? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist It is easier to forgive an enemy than to forgive a friend. ~ William Blake <><><><><><><><><><><><> From JC at JamesCook.biz Sun Aug 28 10:37:24 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:37:24 -0400 Subject: PHP Problem In-Reply-To: References: <1B29D98E-13AA-4DB2-9B18-A67378F3ECEF@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: The PDF does exist. I placed it there and the path to it is correct. There's no problem in that. It's the PHP script that Panorama creates and saves in the TemporaryItems folder - throwing an extra path into the mix - that may be the source of the error. I have no reference to that folder at all in my procedure but it comes up as the error in the PHP result - or lack of. The only reason that TemporaryItems path comes into play is that when a procedure contains Ruby, Python, PHP, etc., Panorama saves that script into the TemporaryItems folder, then uses Applescript to run it via a Shell call. Seems I'm up against a double whammy at the moment in getting CUPS to save PDFs and then getting PHP to access them. On Aug 28, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Robert Ameeti wrote: > Have you I tried creating a pdf, moving it to a safe, known place, attaching it via your php script, then deleting the pdf? Or even just attaching a known good pdf that is already existing? James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I suspected that maybe it was being deleted before > it could be run, causing the error. So I commented out the > SafeFileTrash in _UtilityLib's PHP. t made no difference. The > PHP error continues to be that there is no such file or > directory. > Is Panorama's use of the TemporaryItems folder somehow > misleading PHP as to the location of the files? How can I be > any more specific on where they're located than an absolute > path? This is a UNIX path, so you should leave Macintosh HD out of it, and start with the slash. /Library/WebServer/ and so forth. Dave From Jim at JamesCook.biz Sun Aug 28 11:52:03 2011 From: Jim at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:52:03 -0400 Subject: PHP Problem In-Reply-To: <20110828131138.CTA74416@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> References: <1B29D98E-13AA-4DB2-9B18-A67378F3ECEF@JamesCook.biz> <20110828131138.CTA74416@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <52E6BF29-B4F2-4210-AC5E-4368813172B2@JamesCook.biz> Ta Da! That was the missing piece of that issue. As soon as I changed that much, it ran without errors. Thanks David. You're great! On Aug 28, 2011, at 2:11 PM, David Thompson wrote: > This is a UNIX path, so you should leave Macintosh HD out of it, and start with the slash. James Cook Jim at JamesCook.biz 616.928.2221 http://JamesCook.biz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at provue.com Sun Aug 28 13:51:24 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:51:24 -0700 Subject: PHP Problem Message-ID: On 8/28/11 at 11:11 AM, dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (David Thompson) wrote: >This is a UNIX path, so you should leave Macintosh HD out of >it, and start with the slash. > >/Library/WebServer/ and so forth. That's true if the path is on the primary disk. But if it is on an external disk the path must be like this: /Volumes//rest of path There is a function, posixpath(, that takes care of all of this for you. You simply supply an HFS path (with colons, the kind Panorama usually uses) and it converts it into the corresponding UNIX path. Jim Rea From nacnuddd at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 17:43:39 2011 From: nacnuddd at gmail.com (David Duncan) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:43:39 +1000 Subject: CUPs revisited In-Reply-To: <80293A68-3D21-4D54-8593-2CE408D94E86@JamesCook.biz> References: <5F708282-A918-435C-8CBB-427324A6AA37@JamesCook.biz> <9EF2E711-D35D-45DE-A72D-7FD7B1521B0E@JamesCook.biz> <61072370-9DFA-4067-A5D7-C142FD6C996D@JamesCook.biz> <2BF1FCE9-F8F4-478E-A41C-C6AB0D3A205B@stillpoint.us> <0284FF61-DB93-49CF-A517-7D214540CEBE@JamesCook.biz> <80293A68-3D21-4D54-8593-2CE408D94E86@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: I'm not so sure that CUPS is worth putting much effort into. As David Thompson has pointed out, CUPS is a kludge. It turns out very large PDF files, at least double the size of those output by Apple's "Save as PDF?" option. CUPS is buggy and unreliable, and it relies on the presence of that CUPS folder. I used CUPS for years in one site outputting more than a dozen PDF reports from Panorama forms weekly, and then enclosing and forwarding them in emails from within Panorama. When I had to move into five more sites in which there was little computer expertise, I was very reluctant to continue using CUPS for PDF output due to my unpleasant experiences with it. Instead I followed the path championed so tirelessly by Kurt Meyer. However I needed a more robust and reliable method of outputting PDF procedurally that would work in all my sites without site-specific installation/customisation. Nor did I want to limit each form used for PDF output so that it could never be used to print to a physical printer without stuffing up the PDF output. (I was reluctant to create duplicate forms as Kurt proposed for this purpose.) It turned out that the lengthy HTML text in the "_PrintSettings" permanent variables associated with PDF output of each form in each database on each Mac is identical except for four strings containing form, output file and user names. It also turned out that this text is identical in all my sites. So it was possible to save the one 'generic' HTML text to a permanent variable in the custom statements file, and to use a custom statement to put this generic PDF-specific HTML text into the appropriate "_PrintSettings" variable when outputting a form, with the four name variables in the text set for each unique PDF output. (Once output is complete the previous "_PrintSettings" variable script can be restored for printer output if it has been saved beforehand.) To support my sites I have only to install the same custom statements file in each. The Boss warned me against this approach on the basis that the HTML text is unsupported and can be changed without warning by Apple. As a result whenever there is a new operating system release I install it on my own Mac first to test that the PDF output still works. If the text changes in future, it should be possible to update the custom statements file and distribute that with the system upgrade. So far this approach has been robust and completely reliable. It is a relief to be free of CUPS. David Duncan From Jim at JamesCook.biz Sun Aug 28 20:51:00 2011 From: Jim at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 23:51:00 -0400 Subject: PHP Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I looked at that and couldn't quite make heads or tails of it. Thanks the extra info especially since I won't always be dealing with the primary disk. On Aug 28, 2011, at 4:51 PM, James Rea wrote: > There is a function, posixpath(, that takes care of all of this for you. You simply supply an HFS path (with colons, the kind Panorama usually uses) and it converts it into the corresponding UNIX path. James Cook Jim at JamesCook.biz 616.928.2221 http://JamesCook.biz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JC at JamesCook.biz Sun Aug 28 20:54:02 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 23:54:02 -0400 Subject: CUPs revisited In-Reply-To: References: <5F708282-A918-435C-8CBB-427324A6AA37@JamesCook.biz> <9EF2E711-D35D-45DE-A72D-7FD7B1521B0E@JamesCook.biz> <61072370-9DFA-4067-A5D7-C142FD6C996D@JamesCook.biz> <2BF1FCE9-F8F4-478E-A41C-C6AB0D3A205B@stillpoint.us> <0284FF61-DB93-49CF-A517-7D214540CEBE@JamesCook.biz> <80293A68-3D21-4D54-8593-2CE408D94E86@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: <7DADF60C-66B0-4D92-975E-43AE7D554102@JamesCook.biz> Thanks for taking the time to put that all into writing. I'll need to spend some time digesting it and looking at _PrintSettings. As long as I can get data formatted, maybe even include a simple graphic or two, and saved it as a PDF, I really don't care if it's CUPS. I just need a reliable result. On Aug 28, 2011, at 8:43 PM, David Duncan wrote: > I'm not so sure that CUPS is worth putting much effort into. As David > Thompson has pointed out, CUPS is a kludge. It turns out very large > PDF files, at least double the size of those output by Apple's "Save > as PDF?" option. CUPS is buggy and unreliable, and it relies on the > presence of that CUPS folder. > > I used CUPS for years in one site outputting more than a dozen PDF > reports from Panorama forms weekly, and then enclosing and forwarding > them in emails from within Panorama. When I had to move into five more > sites in which there was little computer expertise, I was very > reluctant to continue using CUPS for PDF output due to my unpleasant > experiences with it. > > Instead I followed the path championed so tirelessly by Kurt Meyer. > However I needed a more robust and reliable method of outputting PDF > procedurally that would work in all my sites without site-specific > installation/customisation. Nor did I want to limit each form used for > PDF output so that it could never be used to print to a physical > printer without stuffing up the PDF output. (I was reluctant to create > duplicate forms as Kurt proposed for this purpose.) > > It turned out that the lengthy HTML text in the "_PrintSettings" > permanent variables associated with PDF output of each form in each > database on each Mac is identical except for four strings containing > form, output file and user names. It also turned out that this text is > identical in all my sites. So it was possible to save the one > 'generic' HTML text to a permanent variable in the custom statements > file, and to use a custom statement to put this generic PDF-specific > HTML text into the appropriate "_PrintSettings" variable when > outputting a form, with the four name variables in the text set for > each unique PDF output. (Once output is complete the previous > "_PrintSettings" variable script can be restored for printer output if > it has been saved beforehand.) To support my sites I have only to > install the same custom statements file in each. > > The Boss warned me against this approach on the basis that the HTML > text is unsupported and can be changed without warning by Apple. As a > result whenever there is a new operating system release I install it > on my own Mac first to test that the PDF output still works. If the > text changes in future, it should be possible to update the custom > statements file and distribute that with the system upgrade. > > So far this approach has been robust and completely reliable. It is a > relief to be free of CUPS. > > David Duncan > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JC at JamesCook.biz Sun Aug 28 20:54:28 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 23:54:28 -0400 Subject: PHP Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FFE95F6-F9CE-42E3-9944-49ACA47E76B5@JamesCook.biz> I looked at that and couldn't quite make heads or tails of it. Thanks the extra info especially since I won't always be dealing with the primary disk. On Aug 28, 2011, at 4:51 PM, James Rea wrote: > There is a function, posixpath(, that takes care of all of this for you. You simply supply an HFS path (with colons, the kind Panorama usually uses) and it converts it into the corresponding UNIX path. James Cook Jim at JamesCook.biz 616.928.2221 http://JamesCook.biz James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nacnuddd at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 21:23:14 2011 From: nacnuddd at gmail.com (David Duncan) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:23:14 +1000 Subject: CUPs revisited In-Reply-To: <7DADF60C-66B0-4D92-975E-43AE7D554102@JamesCook.biz> References: <5F708282-A918-435C-8CBB-427324A6AA37@JamesCook.biz> <9EF2E711-D35D-45DE-A72D-7FD7B1521B0E@JamesCook.biz> <61072370-9DFA-4067-A5D7-C142FD6C996D@JamesCook.biz> <2BF1FCE9-F8F4-478E-A41C-C6AB0D3A205B@stillpoint.us> <0284FF61-DB93-49CF-A517-7D214540CEBE@JamesCook.biz> <80293A68-3D21-4D54-8593-2CE408D94E86@JamesCook.biz> <7DADF60C-66B0-4D92-975E-43AE7D554102@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:54 PM, James Cook wrote: > I'll need to spend > some time digesting it and looking at _PrintSettings. As long as I can get > data formatted, maybe even include a simple graphic or two, and saved it as > a PDF, I really don't care if it's CUPS. I just need a reliable result. James There are no graphics on any of my PDF forms but I do output super matrixes this way, for example, so graphics should work fine. Certainly they do when using PDF output from the Print dialog. Please let me know if you would like a copy of the "_PrintSettings" text modified with the four variable name placeholders and also the text of the custom statement procedure that drives the output. David Duncan From kjmeyer at mac.com Mon Aug 29 03:56:10 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:56:10 +0200 Subject: CUPs revisited In-Reply-To: References: <5F708282-A918-435C-8CBB-427324A6AA37@JamesCook.biz> <9EF2E711-D35D-45DE-A72D-7FD7B1521B0E@JamesCook.biz> <61072370-9DFA-4067-A5D7-C142FD6C996D@JamesCook.biz> <2BF1FCE9-F8F4-478E-A41C-C6AB0D3A205B@stillpoint.us> <0284FF61-DB93-49CF-A517-7D214540CEBE@JamesCook.biz> <80293A68-3D21-4D54-8593-2CE408D94E86@JamesCook.biz> <7DADF60C-66B0-4D92-975E-43AE7D554102@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: <9CF4542E-F148-4087-976B-BCDE25048A75@mac.com> Am 29.08.2011 um 06:23 schrieb David Duncan: > Please let me know if you would like a copy of the "_PrintSettings" > text modified with the four variable name placeholders and also the > text of the custom statement procedure that drives the output. I am interested, too. Does this way of creating PDFs work on Windows, too, or is it limited to the system-integrated PDF creation on Macs? As far as Panorama is concerned, I think it will be the same, but maybe you need special PDF print drivers on Windows? Best regards (and thanks for the compliments) Kurt From Jim at JamesCook.biz Mon Aug 29 05:00:55 2011 From: Jim at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 08:00:55 -0400 Subject: CUPs revisited In-Reply-To: References: <5F708282-A918-435C-8CBB-427324A6AA37@JamesCook.biz> <9EF2E711-D35D-45DE-A72D-7FD7B1521B0E@JamesCook.biz> <61072370-9DFA-4067-A5D7-C142FD6C996D@JamesCook.biz> <2BF1FCE9-F8F4-478E-A41C-C6AB0D3A205B@stillpoint.us> <0284FF61-DB93-49CF-A517-7D214540CEBE@JamesCook.biz> <80293A68-3D21-4D54-8593-2CE408D94E86@JamesCook.biz> <7DADF60C-66B0-4D92-975E-43AE7D554102@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: <35C64770-ADA6-42D6-B8B0-0DB17DE8DE7D@JamesCook.biz> I can't imagine any reason I wouldn't want the advantage of seeing how you worked it out. This is an ongoing need for me, and obviously for you, Kurt and others. Please do send me a copy. And thanks. On Aug 29, 2011, at 12:23 AM, David Duncan wrote: > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:54 PM, James Cook wrote: >> I'll need to spend >> some time digesting it and looking at _PrintSettings. As long as I can get >> data formatted, maybe even include a simple graphic or two, and saved it as >> a PDF, I really don't care if it's CUPS. I just need a reliable result. > > > James > > There are no graphics on any of my PDF forms but I do output super > matrixes this way, for example, so graphics should work fine. > Certainly they do when using PDF output from the Print dialog. > > Please let me know if you would like a copy of the "_PrintSettings" > text modified with the four variable name placeholders and also the > text of the custom statement procedure that drives the output. > > David Duncan > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > James Cook Jim at JamesCook.biz 616.928.2221 http://JamesCook.biz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kurt Sorry to say I have no experience at all with Windows. I will forward the relevant Mac texts to you and to James. If any one else wants a copy, please send me a note directly. Incidentally, the "_PrintSettings" text is XML, not HTML as I stated above. David From Jim at JamesCook.biz Mon Aug 29 06:11:31 2011 From: Jim at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:11:31 -0400 Subject: CUPs revisited In-Reply-To: References: <5F708282-A918-435C-8CBB-427324A6AA37@JamesCook.biz> <9EF2E711-D35D-45DE-A72D-7FD7B1521B0E@JamesCook.biz> <61072370-9DFA-4067-A5D7-C142FD6C996D@JamesCook.biz> <2BF1FCE9-F8F4-478E-A41C-C6AB0D3A205B@stillpoint.us> <0284FF61-DB93-49CF-A517-7D214540CEBE@JamesCook.biz> <80293A68-3D21-4D54-8593-2CE408D94E86@JamesCook.biz> <7DADF60C-66B0-4D92-975E-43AE7D554102@JamesCook.biz> <9CF4542E-F148-4087-976B-BCDE25048A75@mac.com> Message-ID: <4CACB455-86ED-4E6D-8CBF-8C91AE89017E@JamesCook.biz> Yeah, I was wondering about the HTML and trying to figure that in. 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A couple of months back I mentioned that when I quit and then restart the main database, I always get the option to reopen the last version or start fresh and Jim had said that that indicated Pan wasn't quitting properly. I've since figured out that it's somehow related to the server, or at least to something in one of the procedures not finding the server. My question after this long preamble is this: is there a way to search through all the procedures to find which one thinks it needs the server? Some key word(s) or other way of tracking it down so I can fix the problem. Or should I just uninstall Enterprise from the Mac it's on? Other suggestions for killing this zombie? Thanks, bk Barry Kahn Caravan Beads, Inc. 915 Forest Ave Portland ME 04103 800-230-8941 fax: 207-874-2664 www.caravanbeads.net barryk at caravanbeads.net *** Bead store owners and designers: Please visit our new bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ *** My daughter Heather's new business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ From jim at provue.com Tue Aug 30 12:17:52 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:17:52 -0700 Subject: enterprise mystery In-Reply-To: <0C609CE3-0748-4FA4-8340-F1DE16E6EDD5@caravanbeads.net> Message-ID: On 8/30/11 at 11:49 AM, barryk at caravanbeads.net (Barry Kahn) wrote: >My question after this long preamble is this: is there a way >to search through all the procedures to find which one thinks >it needs the server? Enterprise isn't tied to a particular procedure in a database -- it is tied to entire databases. You can tell if a database has links to the server using the Database Sharing Option wizard, also the Sharing Info wizard will display the status for all currently open databases. Jim Rea From barryk at caravanbeads.net Tue Aug 30 13:28:50 2011 From: barryk at caravanbeads.net (Barry Kahn) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:28:50 -0400 Subject: enterprise mystery In-Reply-To: <0C609CE3-0748-4FA4-8340-F1DE16E6EDD5@caravanbeads.net> References: <0C609CE3-0748-4FA4-8340-F1DE16E6EDD5@caravanbeads.net> Message-ID: <865D9C1C-BE8E-4BAA-A634-60C59C6BB80C@caravanbeads.net> A bit more detail to add to the question below: I just quit Panorama; on the way out I get a growl message saying "There are no Panorama servers available." plus an alert from Panorama itself saying: The server "" is not currently available. b > A couple of years back I bought a copy of Pan Enterprise which (so far) I have not really needed. However it is lurking on one of our Macs, and the main database I use daily for a myriad of activities is apparently looking for Enterprise in one of the dozens (maybe 100s) of procedures it (the main DB) contains. A couple of months back I mentioned that when I quit and then restart the main database, I always get the option to reopen the last version or start fresh and Jim had said that that indicated Pan wasn't quitting properly. I've since figured out that it's somehow related to the server, or at least to something in one of the procedures not finding the server. > > My question after this long preamble is this: is there a way to search through all the procedures to find which one thinks it needs the server? Some key word(s) or other way of tracking it down so I can fix the problem. Or should I just uninstall Enterprise from the Mac it's on? Other suggestions for killing this zombie? > > Thanks, > bk > > > Barry Kahn > Caravan Beads, Inc. > 915 Forest Ave > Portland ME 04103 > 800-230-8941 > fax: 207-874-2664 > www.caravanbeads.net > barryk at caravanbeads.net > > *** Bead store owners and designers: Please visit our new bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ > > *** My daughter Heather's new business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna Barry Kahn Caravan Beads, Inc. 915 Forest Ave Portland ME 04103 800-230-8941 fax: 207-874-2664 www.caravanbeads.net barryk at caravanbeads.net *** Bead store owners and designers: Please visit our new bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ *** My daughter Heather's new business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ From JC at JamesCook.biz Tue Aug 30 13:59:59 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:59:59 -0400 Subject: enterprise mystery In-Reply-To: <865D9C1C-BE8E-4BAA-A634-60C59C6BB80C@caravanbeads.net> References: <0C609CE3-0748-4FA4-8340-F1DE16E6EDD5@caravanbeads.net> <865D9C1C-BE8E-4BAA-A634-60C59C6BB80C@caravanbeads.net> Message-ID: Jim Rea gave you the right answer. The database thinks it's shared, not any procedure within it. With that database open, go to the Database Sharing Options wizard and use the Maintenance menu to remove the sharing history. On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Barry Kahn wrote: > A bit more detail to add to the question below: > > I just quit Panorama; on the way out I get a growl message saying "There are no Panorama servers available." plus an alert from Panorama itself saying: The server "" is not currently available. James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The database thinks it's shared, not any procedure within it. > > With that database open, go to the Database Sharing Options wizard and use the Maintenance menu to remove the sharing history. > > > On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Barry Kahn wrote: > >> A bit more detail to add to the question below: >> >> I just quit Panorama; on the way out I get a growl message saying "There are no Panorama servers available." plus an alert from Panorama itself saying: The server "" is not currently available. > > James Cook > JC at JamesCook.biz > > Founder of HindSight Ltd. > http://HSLtd.us > > Panorama Tutoring > Custom Panorama Applications > Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna Barry Kahn Caravan Beads, Inc. 915 Forest Ave Portland ME 04103 800-230-8941 fax: 207-874-2664 www.caravanbeads.net barryk at caravanbeads.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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