From jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us Thu Dec 1 09:44:11 2011 From: jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 12:44:11 -0500 Subject: Panorama crashing when editing data sheet on Windows. Message-ID: <7DE0D324-2627-46A1-998A-9D491BF01C24@state.ga.weo.us> Hello, We've been trying to use Panorama Sheets to edit a database with 5 fields, 2400 records, and which contains about 9 mb of data on a machine running Windows 7. Unfortunately, Panorama Sheets has been crashing frequently, with Windows displaying this message: Panorama Sheets.exe has stopped working A problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available. We thought this might be related to Panorama Sheets, so we downloaded and installed the demo version of the full Panorama program. This worked for a bit, but also soon began having the same random crashes. The crashes happen at various times, for example when clicking to edit a specific record or while typing when editing a cell of data in the Data Sheet. Sometimes Panorama Sheets starts acting erratically first, either being unresponsive, or highlighting still stop working properly while editing a cell, then Windows displays the crash message. Is this something else anyone else has experienced? Do I need to change default preferences somehow, or increase memory allocation or anything else? The database was created on a Mac and is being edited on Windows, could that affect anything? Any suggestions would be very appreciated! Best wishes, - Jeff Gold From cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net Thu Dec 1 11:52:10 2011 From: cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:52:10 -0800 Subject: Panorama crashing when editing data sheet on Windows. In-Reply-To: <7DE0D324-2627-46A1-998A-9D491BF01C24@state.ga.weo.us> References: <7DE0D324-2627-46A1-998A-9D491BF01C24@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: <9D8A63CC-E507-4433-85A7-FD183E068A58@qwestoffice.net> You could try opening Panorama and turning on the crash recorder to see what it reports when you run your database....but it's also possible there is a non-Panorama related problem like bad RAM or mystical sunspots. Craig McPherson On Dec 1, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Jeff Gold wrote: > Hello, > > We've been trying to use Panorama Sheets to edit a database with 5 fields, 2400 records, and which contains about 9 mb of data on a machine running Windows 7. Unfortunately, Panorama Sheets has been crashing frequently, with Windows displaying this message: > > Panorama Sheets.exe has stopped working > > A problem caused the program to stop working correctly. > Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available. > > We thought this might be related to Panorama Sheets, so we downloaded and installed the demo version of the full Panorama program. This worked for a bit, but also soon began having the same random crashes. > > The crashes happen at various times, for example when clicking to edit a specific record or while typing when editing a cell of data in the Data Sheet. Sometimes Panorama Sheets starts acting erratically first, either being unresponsive, or highlighting still stop working properly while editing a cell, then Windows displays the crash message. > > Is this something else anyone else has experienced? Do I need to change default preferences somehow, or increase memory allocation or anything else? The database was created on a Mac and is being edited on Windows, could that affect anything? Any suggestions would be very appreciated! > > Best wishes, > > - Jeff Gold > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From dealtek at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 14:00:40 2011 From: dealtek at gmail.com (DealTek) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:00:40 -0800 Subject: panorama promo bit Message-ID: <444C1796-47E5-431F-941B-7A33B2E18CA2@gmail.com> Hi Jim and ALL, thought you might like this... http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/lion/index.html#d01dec2011 Lion Info: Gregory Tetrault Mario S. De Pillis, Sr. wrote: "... I agree that Apple's Address Book is "atrocious" and a "disaster," what are the alternatives?..." I use a custom address book I created with an old version of Panorama that replicated (and exceeded) the functionality of Now Contact (from the OS 8 & 9 days). If you need a database as well as a contact management program, Panorama is a good choice. -- Thanks, Dave - DealTek dealtek at gmail.com [db-11] From steve at tlwsolutions.com Fri Dec 2 05:49:51 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:49:51 -0500 Subject: Permanent Variables Message-ID: Hello, How are permanent variables handled with Enterprise? If I change the variable on one machine do I have to distribute the database to all the users or does Enterprise update the variable the next time a client synchronizes? Thanks Steve Middleton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From designer at quickdata.com Fri Dec 2 06:40:22 2011 From: designer at quickdata.com (Paul) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 06:40:22 -0800 Subject: Panorama and ODBC - how? Message-ID: <4ED8E356.1080107@quickdata.com> I work with a national EHR (Electronic Medical Records) system and though it is very good at getting patient data to providers (a.k.a. doctors) and staff, it is very weak in tracking the kind if information used by EHR administrations - who had what privileges changed and when and authorized by whom, etc. I have a "back end" Panorama database the can track those activities and it is fed by running SQL queries against the vendor's tables or using their extract tool. Both tools can deliver in a table like structure in the clipboard that is then loaded into Panorama. I would love to elminate that manual step. I would like to be able to push an "Update" button in panorama and have it go to the table and pull the info itself via SQL. Even if there were an intermediary tool - like RazorSQL - that worked behind the scenes and passed the info to Panorama, that would be great. I believe RazorSQL is applescriptable - but this project would most like be running on a PC - probably Win 7 64 bit. I'm looking for a slicker way to get that table data into Panorama then to asked the admin person to run MicroSofts SQL Server Manager and copy the query results to the clipboard. If I went that route, I'm guessing I could make a canned procedure the admin could run that would put the results in a tab delimited file and pick it up from there. But it would be much better if Panorama could handle it all - even if it had to use and intermediary program like Razor (which is cross platform too). In fact, I could probably cobble something up with RealBasic (also cross platform). Again, it would be cleaner if it could all be done in Panorama. I probably ask this question every year but I am old and forget. So please forgive the repetition. Also, things change. So what was not possible last week might be possible this week - new OS's, new features, etc. Any ideas on how to get ODBC database table data into Panorama with minimal manual work or by using transparent outside "activity". Paul QuickData From barryk at caravanbeads.net Fri Dec 2 07:00:36 2011 From: barryk at caravanbeads.net (Barry Kahn) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:00:36 -0500 Subject: Panorama and ODBC - how? In-Reply-To: <4ED8E356.1080107@quickdata.com> References: <4ED8E356.1080107@quickdata.com> Message-ID: <83370493-67BE-455C-8089-937B82B6C586@caravanbeads.net> Hi Paul, We deal with something vaguely similar to get inventory data out of our accounting software and reformatted so we can upload it to our shopping cart. Our solution is to use excel to access the accounting software via ODBC. The excel file runs a macro which in turn activates the query to get the data via ODBC. The macro then saves the info as a text file to our server. The excel file is running under VirtualBox / WindowsXP. (I've never had any luck using ODBC on a Mac.) The nice bit is that I can use the windows scheduler to open the Excel file which then updates, saves the text file, and closes itself. It runs by itself so I don't have to think about it. Then Pan imports the text file from the server and runs various procedures to prep the text file for uploading to our shopping cart. This doesn't match your goal of having Panorama take care of everything, but based on my experience that route leads to hair-pulling? Good luck! I'm interested to see what others may suggest. bk PS The eventual solution for us is that our accounting software people are planning to make an external SQL database in 2012 that will update itself as often as every minute from the accounting software and be accessible by all SQL tools. Once that's up and running, I'll get my son to write a python routine that will work from within Panorama and import the data we need directly from the SQL db. That'll get rid of the whole ODBC business. And we will have a party to celebrate. > I work with a national EHR (Electronic Medical Records) system and though it is very good at getting patient data to providers (a.k.a. doctors) and staff, it is very weak in tracking the kind if information used by EHR administrations - who had what privileges changed and when and authorized by whom, etc. > > I have a "back end" Panorama database the can track those activities and it is fed by running SQL queries against the vendor's tables or using their extract tool. Both tools can deliver in a table like structure in the clipboard that is then loaded into Panorama. > > I would love to elminate that manual step. I would like to be able to push an "Update" button in panorama and have it go to the table and pull the info itself via SQL. > > Even if there were an intermediary tool - like RazorSQL - that worked behind the scenes and passed the info to Panorama, that would be great. > > I believe RazorSQL is applescriptable - but this project would most like be running on a PC - probably Win 7 64 bit. > > I'm looking for a slicker way to get that table data into Panorama then to asked the admin person to run MicroSofts SQL Server Manager and copy the query results to the clipboard. > > If I went that route, I'm guessing I could make a canned procedure the admin could run that would put the results in a tab delimited file and pick it up from there. > > But it would be much better if Panorama could handle it all - even if it had to use and intermediary program like Razor (which is cross platform too). In fact, I could probably cobble something up with RealBasic (also cross platform). Again, it would be cleaner if it could all be done in Panorama. > > I probably ask this question every year but I am old and forget. So please forgive the repetition. Also, things change. So what was not possible last week might be possible this week - new OS's, new features, etc. > > Any ideas on how to get ODBC database table data into Panorama with minimal manual work or by using transparent outside "activity". > > Paul > QuickData > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna Barry Kahn Caravan Beads, Inc. 915 Forest Ave Portland ME 04103 800-230-8941 fax: 207-874-2664 www.caravanbeads.net barryk at caravanbeads.net *** Please visit our bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ *** My daughter Heather's business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ From jim at provue.com Fri Dec 2 08:06:44 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:06:44 -0800 Subject: Permanent Variables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/2/11 at 5:49 AM, steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) wrote: >How are permanent variables handled with Enterprise? If I change the >variable on one machine do I have to distribute the database to all the >users or does Enterprise update the variable the next time a client >synchronizes? If you want to share persistent values across the network you need to use "server variables". These are described starting on page 159 of the Panorama Enterprise Handbook. Jim From jim at provue.com Fri Dec 2 08:14:01 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:14:01 -0800 Subject: Panorama and ODBC - how? In-Reply-To: <4ED8E356.1080107@quickdata.com> Message-ID: On 12/2/11 at 6:40 AM, designer at quickdata.com (Paul) wrote: >Any ideas on how to get ODBC database table data into Panorama >with minimal manual work or by using transparent outside "activity". Panorama supports external scripting in PHP, Perl, Python and Ruby. So anything that can be done in those languages can also be done with Panorama. I believe all four of these languages have libraries that support ODBC and/or SQL access. The downside, of course, is that you'll have to become at least a bit familiar with one of these languages, though I've found you can often get a lot done with minimal knowledge and a lot of "cut and paste" from examples in books and on web sites. On the Mac these languages are all pre-installed, but since you're using a PC you'll have to install the one you want to use yourself. These are all open source language, and free, and fairly simple to install. The Formulas & Programming PDF book has links to web sites for each of these languages, along with instructions for how to use them within Panorama. Jim From qnaweb at provue.com Fri Dec 2 09:58:16 2011 From: qnaweb at provue.com (Richard Hillegas) Date: 2 Dec 2011 09:58:16 -0800 Subject: Link DB Message-ID: Let me start with I am not familiar with Panorama at all and come from a SQL back ground. How in the world can you link DB through ID fields. What you call a database I call a table, so I am trying to link one DB/Table to another DB/table. Is there any documentation on this process. I search the QNA FAQ for "link databases" and get generalized talk. From cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net Fri Dec 2 10:15:18 2011 From: cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:15:18 -0800 Subject: Link DB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F6242F1-2270-4004-AE4B-996424B10894@qwestoffice.net> see the Look-up features to link two databases a common field common to both. Craig McPherson On Dec 2, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Richard Hillegas wrote: > Let me start with I am not familiar with Panorama at all and come from a SQL back ground. How in the world can you link DB through ID fields. What you call a database I call a table, so I am trying to link one DB/Table to another DB/table. > > Is there any documentation on this process. I search the QNA FAQ for "link databases" and get generalized talk. > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From pchance at quickdata.com Fri Dec 2 10:54:45 2011 From: pchance at quickdata.com (pchance at quickdata.com) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:54:45 -0600 Subject: Link DB In-Reply-To: <7F6242F1-2270-4004-AE4B-996424B10894@qwestoffice.net> References: <7F6242F1-2270-4004-AE4B-996424B10894@qwestoffice.net> Message-ID: Richard, What you call databases in Panorama, other people call "flat files" :) So think of Panorama databases as tables without a built-in mechanism for Key fields. In the Panorama case, you handle that key generation/assignment yourself. Please understand that one person's, "That's more work" is another persons, "That's more flexible and gives me more control." For example, if you have a table customer contacts, you can also have another table of invoices, and at the time the invoice is created, one of its fields will have content the uniquely ties it to the customer (like a customer number - the format of which you can create yourself) In the table that holds customer contact info, you can view each customer individually via a form window and that window can also have a list box that is automatically (after you set it up) populated with a description - date/invoice #, etc. - of all the invoices belonging to that customer. Instead of that type of "linking" is done for you - after you set up the "key" relationships - in Panorama you do the linking yourself, on the fly, using something like a lookup or array build that identifies all the appropriate invoices. By clicking on an invoice in the list box, that can trigger another procedure - you set up; just a few lines - to open the invoice "table" to a form that displays the specific invoice. So I am familar with the concept of a database being a collection of tables and often, but not always, those table have some common "key" and if you looked at a network diagram you would see lines connecting the tables via those keys. It really is not so different in Panorama - except there are no predefined keys. So imagine a contact table that has name and address. Why not phone - because these days a person has a gallizion phone, email, twitter, spacebook, etc. contact avenues so you'd put those in another table and it is up to you to decide how they are linked. Maybe when you create the contact record, behind the scene you also create your unique key. There are numberous ways to do that in Panorama, including guaranteeing uniqueness. So it isn't important to know How just yet, just know that it is up to you to do it. And when you create the records for the various phone numbers in the separate table, you'd make sure a field in those records has that unique code. Finally - from database/table design issue. That second table isn't really necessay, you could populate a field in the main contact table with all the phone numbers. This is were the art comes in - balancing the advantages of several separate tables over more information in one table. Paul QuickData > see the Look-up features to link two databases a common field common to > both. > Craig McPherson > > On Dec 2, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Richard Hillegas wrote: > >> Let me start with I am not familiar with Panorama at all and come from a >> SQL back ground. How in the world can you link DB through ID fields. >> What you call a database I call a table, so I am trying to link one >> DB/Table to another DB/table. >> >> Is there any documentation on this process. I search the QNA FAQ for >> "link databases" and get generalized talk. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From kjmeyer at mac.com Fri Dec 2 16:28:58 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 01:28:58 +0100 Subject: Link DB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Am 02.12.2011 um 18:58 schrieb Richard Hillegas: > Is there any documentation on this process. I search the QNA FAQ for "link databases" and get generalized talk. Yes. Look at page 131 "Linking to another database" in the "Formulas & Programming.pdf". You can easily access all the documentation PDFs with Panorama's "Help & Documentation Wizard". For a quick reference to all kind of "lookup" functions take a look at the "Panorama Reference Wizard". From thomas.hidderley at sympatico.ca Mon Dec 5 08:53:45 2011 From: thomas.hidderley at sympatico.ca (Thomas Hidderley) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:53:45 -0500 Subject: Database won't open In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a database that has worked flawlessly for the last three years. This morning it won't open and I just see a window start to appear for about 1/10 of a second and it closes again. Any ideas and solutions gratefully received. Tom Hidderley From barryk at caravanbeads.net Mon Dec 5 09:03:46 2011 From: barryk at caravanbeads.net (Barry Kahn) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:03:46 -0500 Subject: Database won't open In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BB8CEF2-3E6E-4450-A426-132BB278DACA@caravanbeads.net> Does it have a .initialize procedure that runs at startup? If not, ignore this. If yes, here's the code for a little db which I keep on hand to open any Pan database which includes .initialize procedures without triggering them. Handy in case of problems or just to check things without all the startup stuff running: rememberwindow openplain originalwindow zoomwindow 100,100,100,100,"" windowtoback "PanCleanStart" "openplain" is the key part. Good luck, bk > I have a database that has worked flawlessly for the last three years. This morning it won't open and I just see a window start to appear for about 1/10 of a second and it closes again. > Any ideas and solutions gratefully received. > > Tom Hidderley > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna Barry Kahn Caravan Beads, Inc. 915 Forest Ave Portland ME 04103 800-230-8941 fax: 207-874-2664 www.caravanbeads.net barryk at caravanbeads.net *** Please visit our bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ *** My daughter Heather's business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ From thomas.hidderley at sympatico.ca Mon Dec 5 09:14:05 2011 From: thomas.hidderley at sympatico.ca (Thomas Hidderley) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:14:05 -0500 Subject: Database won't open In-Reply-To: <2BB8CEF2-3E6E-4450-A426-132BB278DACA@caravanbeads.net> References: <2BB8CEF2-3E6E-4450-A426-132BB278DACA@caravanbeads.net> Message-ID: Hi Barry, No, there's no .initialize procedure at start up. It's just a very simple database with about 30 different forms. Tom On Dec 5, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Barry Kahn wrote: > Does it have a .initialize procedure that runs at startup? If not, ignore this. If yes, here's the code for a little db which I keep on hand to open any Pan database which includes .initialize procedures without triggering them. Handy in case of problems or just to check things without all the startup stuff running: > > rememberwindow > openplain > originalwindow > zoomwindow 100,100,100,100,"" > windowtoback "PanCleanStart" > > "openplain" is the key part. > > Good luck, > bk > > > >> I have a database that has worked flawlessly for the last three years. This morning it won't open and I just see a window start to appear for about 1/10 of a second and it closes again. >> Any ideas and solutions gratefully received. >> >> Tom Hidderley >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > Barry Kahn > Caravan Beads, Inc. > 915 Forest Ave > Portland ME 04103 > 800-230-8941 > fax: 207-874-2664 > www.caravanbeads.net > barryk at caravanbeads.net > > *** Please visit our bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ > > *** My daughter Heather's business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net Mon Dec 5 09:39:35 2011 From: cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:39:35 -0800 Subject: Database won't open In-Reply-To: References: <2BB8CEF2-3E6E-4450-A426-132BB278DACA@caravanbeads.net> Message-ID: Have you tried dragging the file onto the Wizard at Wizard/Utilities/OpenDatabase? Craig McPherson On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Thomas Hidderley wrote: > Hi Barry, > No, there's no .initialize procedure at start up. It's just a very simple database with about 30 different forms. > > Tom > > On Dec 5, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Barry Kahn wrote: > >> Does it have a .initialize procedure that runs at startup? If not, ignore this. If yes, here's the code for a little db which I keep on hand to open any Pan database which includes .initialize procedures without triggering them. Handy in case of problems or just to check things without all the startup stuff running: >> >> rememberwindow >> openplain >> originalwindow >> zoomwindow 100,100,100,100,"" >> windowtoback "PanCleanStart" >> >> "openplain" is the key part. >> >> Good luck, >> bk >> >> >> >>> I have a database that has worked flawlessly for the last three years. This morning it won't open and I just see a window start to appear for about 1/10 of a second and it closes again. >>> Any ideas and solutions gratefully received. >>> >>> Tom Hidderley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Qna mailing list >>> Qna at provue.com >>> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> >> Barry Kahn >> Caravan Beads, Inc. >> 915 Forest Ave >> Portland ME 04103 >> 800-230-8941 >> fax: 207-874-2664 >> www.caravanbeads.net >> barryk at caravanbeads.net >> >> *** Please visit our bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ >> >> *** My daughter Heather's business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From kjmeyer at mac.com Mon Dec 5 09:58:12 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 18:58:12 +0100 Subject: Database won't open In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49620C09-50F4-4C14-B833-5CB02F8C8EAD@mac.com> Am 05.12.2011 um 17:53 schrieb Thomas Hidderley: > I have a database that has worked flawlessly for the last three years. This morning it won't open and I just see a window start to appear for about 1/10 of a second and it closes again. > Any ideas and solutions gratefully received. Maybe you have now seen Panorama's startup window for the first time. It flashes so fast that it is nearly obsolete. ? But what about your file? 1st idea: Restart your Mac and try again. 2nd idea: Maybe you have managed to push the window of that file off the screen. You can use the Open Database wizard or the view wizard get it back on your main screen. 3rd idea: Check the fonts of you system. Maybe one font you use in your database has been damaged. From harbourvet at mac.com Mon Dec 5 10:25:32 2011 From: harbourvet at mac.com (John Kuttel) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 10:25:32 -0800 Subject: Database won't open In-Reply-To: <49620C09-50F4-4C14-B833-5CB02F8C8EAD@mac.com> References: <49620C09-50F4-4C14-B833-5CB02F8C8EAD@mac.com> Message-ID: <98BFA491-6BE1-41C3-B96B-591057B596E9@mac.com> If all else fails: This happened to me a while back! All you get is a flash on the screen! Just like I called it "A flash in the pan...orama" #*&@4*! Idea: Start from scratch: To rescue the data... not the forms etc. In Panorama.... Open and make a "New" data base: File, / Open File, click on "New Data Base" Add fields if needed. In this "new" blank data base, choose File, Open File... again, this time check the box Append to Current Data Base then select your problem file on the disc and import the data to the "New File"... Save this file of data and then make a back-up/copy/duplicate of file. If you have an old back-up of the problem file with the forms and procedures (that works) you can remove/delete the old data (all but one last record) from that file, save the empty+1record file and append the new file into the file with the forms and procedures... John On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Kurt J. Meyer wrote: > > Am 05.12.2011 um 17:53 schrieb Thomas Hidderley: > >> I have a database that has worked flawlessly for the last three years. This morning it won't open and I just see a window start to appear for about 1/10 of a second and it closes again. >> Any ideas and solutions gratefully received. > > Maybe you have now seen Panorama's startup window for the first time. It flashes so fast that it is nearly obsolete. ? But what about your file? > > 1st idea: Restart your Mac and try again. > > 2nd idea: Maybe you have managed to push the window of that file off the screen. You can use the Open Database wizard or the view wizard get it back on your main screen. > > 3rd idea: Check the fonts of you system. Maybe one font you use in your database has been damaged. > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From thomas.hidderley at sympatico.ca Mon Dec 5 11:46:28 2011 From: thomas.hidderley at sympatico.ca (Thomas Hidderley) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 14:46:28 -0500 Subject: Database won't open In-Reply-To: <98BFA491-6BE1-41C3-B96B-591057B596E9@mac.com> References: <49620C09-50F4-4C14-B833-5CB02F8C8EAD@mac.com> <98BFA491-6BE1-41C3-B96B-591057B596E9@mac.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all your great suggestions. It appeared to be a damaged font and I managed to open it eventually by dropping it on the wizard. What great support - I thought I had lost everything. Tom On Dec 5, 2011, at 1:25 PM, John Kuttel wrote: > > If all else fails: This happened to me a while back! All you get is a flash on the screen! Just like I called it "A flash in the pan...orama" > #*&@4*! Idea: Start from scratch: To rescue the data... not the forms etc. > In Panorama.... Open and make a "New" data base: File, / Open File, click on "New Data Base" Add fields if needed. > In this "new" blank data base, choose File, Open File... again, this time check the box Append to Current Data Base then select your problem file on the disc and import the data to the "New File"... Save this file of data and then make a back-up/copy/duplicate of file. If you have an old back-up of the problem file with the forms and procedures (that works) you can remove/delete the old data (all but one last record) from that file, save the empty+1record file and append the new file into the file with the forms and procedures... > John > On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Kurt J. Meyer wrote: > >> >> Am 05.12.2011 um 17:53 schrieb Thomas Hidderley: >> >>> I have a database that has worked flawlessly for the last three years. This morning it won't open and I just see a window start to appear for about 1/10 of a second and it closes again. >>> Any ideas and solutions gratefully received. >> >> Maybe you have now seen Panorama's startup window for the first time. It flashes so fast that it is nearly obsolete. ? But what about your file? >> >> 1st idea: Restart your Mac and try again. >> >> 2nd idea: Maybe you have managed to push the window of that file off the screen. You can use the Open Database wizard or the view wizard get it back on your main screen. >> >> 3rd idea: Check the fonts of you system. Maybe one font you use in your database has been damaged. >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net Tue Dec 6 08:55:37 2011 From: samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net (Sam Rutherford) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:55:37 -0600 Subject: supergettext error Message-ID: This line supergettext ary, {caption='Select what?' scroll='yes'} produces an error: "Parameter contains an error." The line was actually copied from a procedure I use many times a day with no error. Here's the entire procedure: local this, ary this = info('databasename') openfile dbpath+'scd' selectall yesno 'Exclusions?' case clipboard() contains 'no' goto lbl1 case clipboard() contains 'yes' goto lbl2 endcase lbl2: // gettext 'Exclude what?', ary supergettext ary, {caption='Select what?' scroll='yes'} select arraycontains(ary, invnbr, ?) selectreverse lbl1: call 'select within by date' export dsk2 +'sls.txt', item +?+ str(qty) + ? closefile nop window this opentextfile '&' + dsk2 +'sls.txt' save saveas dsk + 'demand' call "convert assys" The gettext statement, commented out, works, but I'm afraid to use gettext because it has a pretty low limit to the number of characters it can handle. Here's the procedure which works without error. local ary, sep supergettext ary, {caption='Select what?' scroll='yes'} gettext 'Separator? (if ? leave blank).', sep if sep = '' sep = ? endif select arraycontains(ary,??,sep) if info('empty') message 'No records selected.' + chr(13) + 'Reverting to previous selection.' endif Any idea why I'm getting this error? ________________________________________________________________ Sam Rutherford Music City Metals 615/255-4481 samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Tue Dec 6 10:40:33 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:40:33 +0000 Subject: supergettext error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think I know why the first one doesn't work, but I don't understand why the second one does. SuperGetText is trying to determine the current value of the ary variable, so that it can use it as the default value. The variable hasn't been given an initial value, so an error occurs when it tries to determine that value. Prior to the SuperGetText, write ary="" or perhaps ary=invnbr and I think it will work. Dave ________________________________________ From: Sam Rutherford [samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:55 AM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: supergettext error This line supergettext ary, {caption='Select what?' scroll='yes'} produces an error: "Parameter contains an error." The line was actually copied from a procedure I use many times a day with no error. Here's the entire procedure: local this, ary this = info('databasename') openfile dbpath+'scd' selectall yesno 'Exclusions?' case clipboard() contains 'no' goto lbl1 case clipboard() contains 'yes' goto lbl2 endcase lbl2: // gettext 'Exclude what?', ary supergettext ary, {caption='Select what?' scroll='yes'} select arraycontains(ary, invnbr, ?) selectreverse lbl1: call 'select within by date' export dsk2 +'sls.txt', item +?+ str(qty) + ? closefile nop window this opentextfile '&' + dsk2 +'sls.txt' save saveas dsk + 'demand' call "convert assys" The gettext statement, commented out, works, but I'm afraid to use gettext because it has a pretty low limit to the number of characters it can handle. Here's the procedure which works without error. local ary, sep supergettext ary, {caption='Select what?' scroll='yes'} gettext 'Separator? (if ? leave blank).', sep if sep = '' sep = ? endif select arraycontains(ary,??,sep) if info('empty') message 'No records selected.' + chr(13) + 'Reverting to previous selection.' endif Any idea why I'm getting this error? ________________________________________________________________ Sam Rutherford Music City Metals 615/255-4481 samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From csw at me.com Tue Dec 6 11:05:00 2011 From: csw at me.com (chris watts) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 11:05:00 -0800 Subject: supergettext error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B5C85C4-2EA7-42CC-B8D6-F173CFE85672@me.com> I've had problems with single quotes in older versions of Panorama... cw Chris Watts ??? ?? Bake Visual Effects, Inc. 1858 North Avenue 53 Los Angeles, CA 90042 main 323-333-5000 fax 206-350-0064 skype cswatts aim cwfx1 yahoo cwiphone dot?mac csw http://imdb.com/name/nm0915121/ www.bake.org On Dec 6, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Thompson, David wrote: > I think I know why the first one doesn't work, but I don't understand why the second one does. SuperGetText is trying to determine the current value of the ary variable, so that it can use it as the default value. The variable hasn't been given an initial value, so an error occurs when it tries to determine that value. > > Prior to the SuperGetText, write > > ary="" > > or perhaps > > ary=invnbr > > and I think it will work. > > Dave > ________________________________________ > From: Sam Rutherford [samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:55 AM > To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) > Subject: supergettext error > > This line > supergettext ary, {caption='Select what?' scroll='yes'} > produces an error: "Parameter contains an error." > The line was actually copied from a procedure I use many times a day with no error. > > Here's the entire procedure: > > local this, ary > this = info('databasename') > > openfile dbpath+'scd' selectall > > yesno 'Exclusions?' > case clipboard() contains 'no' goto lbl1 > case clipboard() contains 'yes' goto lbl2 > endcase > > lbl2: > // gettext 'Exclude what?', ary > supergettext ary, {caption='Select what?' scroll='yes'} > select arraycontains(ary, invnbr, ?) > selectreverse > > lbl1: > call 'select within by date' > export dsk2 +'sls.txt', item +?+ str(qty) + ? > closefile > nop > > window this > opentextfile '&' + dsk2 +'sls.txt' > save > saveas dsk + 'demand' > > call "convert assys" > > > > > The gettext statement, commented out, works, but I'm afraid to use gettext because it has a pretty low limit to the number of characters it can handle. > > Here's the procedure which works without error. > > local ary, sep > supergettext ary, {caption='Select what?' scroll='yes'} > gettext 'Separator? (if ? leave blank).', sep > if sep = '' sep = ? endif > select arraycontains(ary,??,sep) > if info('empty') message 'No records selected.' + chr(13) + 'Reverting to previous selection.' endif > > > Any idea why I'm getting this error? > ________________________________________________________________ > Sam Rutherford > Music City Metals > 615/255-4481 > samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net Tue Dec 6 12:16:06 2011 From: samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net (Sam Rutherford) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:16:06 -0600 Subject: supergettext error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01004EBB-B241-4E58-9E37-0A318B011EF3@musiccitymetals.net> Thanks. Adding ary = '' worked. So often you can get awat without a statement like that, then sometimes you have to have it. ________________________________________________________________ On Dec 6, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Thompson, David wrote: > I think I know why the first one doesn't work, but I don't understand why the second one does. SuperGetText is trying to determine the current value of the ary variable, so that it can use it as the default value. The variable hasn't been given an initial value, so an error occurs when it tries to determine that value. > > Prior to the SuperGetText, write > > ary="" > > or perhaps > > ary=invnbr > > and I think it will work. > > Dave > ________________________________________ > From: Sam Rutherford [samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:55 AM > To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) > Subject: supergettext error > > This line > supergettext ary, {caption='Select what?' scroll='yes'} > produces an error: "Parameter contains an error." > The line was actually copied from a procedure I use many times a day with no error. > > Here's the entire procedure: > > local this, ary > this = info('databasename') > > openfile dbpath+'scd' selectall > > yesno 'Exclusions?' > case clipboard() contains 'no' goto lbl1 > case clipboard() contains 'yes' goto lbl2 > endcase > > lbl2: > // gettext 'Exclude what?', ary > supergettext ary, {caption='Select what?' scroll='yes'} > select arraycontains(ary, invnbr, ?) > selectreverse > > lbl1: > call 'select within by date' > export dsk2 +'sls.txt', item +?+ str(qty) + ? > closefile > nop > > window this > opentextfile '&' + dsk2 +'sls.txt' > save > saveas dsk + 'demand' > > call "convert assys" > > > > > The gettext statement, commented out, works, but I'm afraid to use gettext because it has a pretty low limit to the number of characters it can handle. > > Here's the procedure which works without error. > > local ary, sep > supergettext ary, {caption='Select what?' scroll='yes'} > gettext 'Separator? (if ? leave blank).', sep > if sep = '' sep = ? endif > select arraycontains(ary,??,sep) > if info('empty') message 'No records selected.' + chr(13) + 'Reverting to previous selection.' endif > > > Any idea why I'm getting this error? > ________________________________________________________________ > Sam Rutherford > Music City Metals > 615/255-4481 > samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > ________________________________________________________________ Sam Rutherford Music City Metals 615/255-4481 samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Tue Dec 6 14:49:49 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 22:49:49 +0000 Subject: supergettext error In-Reply-To: <01004EBB-B241-4E58-9E37-0A318B011EF3@musiccitymetals.net> References: , <01004EBB-B241-4E58-9E37-0A318B011EF3@musiccitymetals.net> Message-ID: I think the fact that you need that statement here should be considered a bug. It's not required in the regular GetText statement, and the documentation doesn't say anything about a default value being required. To fix it, you can open the SUPERGETTEXT procedure in _DialogAlertLib, find the line which reads theText=parameter(1) and add this right after that line. if error theText="" endif As far as I can see, that line is guaranteed to be an error when the parameter is an undefined variable, so I'm still mystified that your other procedure worked, unless you left a few lines out of the email for brevity. Dave ________________________________________ From: Sam Rutherford [samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 2:16 PM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Re: supergettext error Thanks. Adding ary = '' worked. So often you can get awat without a statement like that, then sometimes you have to have it. From samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net Tue Dec 6 15:50:40 2011 From: samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net (Sam Rutherford) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:50:40 -0600 Subject: supergettext error In-Reply-To: References: , <01004EBB-B241-4E58-9E37-0A318B011EF3@musiccitymetals.net> Message-ID: <69E16F67-7F36-431E-B6BF-4D27879FCF44@musiccitymetals.net> I did inadvertently leave out a line in the procedure that works: local ary, sep sep='' ary = '' supergettext ary, {caption='Select what?' scroll='yes'} gettext 'Separator? (if ? leave blank).', sep if sep = '' sep = ? endif select arraycontains(ary,??,sep) if info('empty') message 'No records selected.' + chr(13) + 'Reverting to previous selection.' endif Very cool suggestion as to how to fix. Thanks again. ________________________________________________________________ On Dec 6, 2011, at 4:49 PM, Thompson, David wrote: > I think the fact that you need that statement here should be considered a bug. It's not required in the regular GetText statement, and the documentation doesn't say anything about a default value being required. > > To fix it, you can open the SUPERGETTEXT procedure in _DialogAlertLib, find the line which reads > > theText=parameter(1) > > and add this right after that line. > > id Thompson > > As far as I can see, that line is guaranteed to be an error when the parameter is an undefined variable, so I'm still mystified that your other procedure worked, unless you left a few lines out of the email for brevity. > > Dave > ________________________________________ > From: Sam Rutherford [samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 2:16 PM > To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) > Subject: Re: supergettext error > > Thanks. Adding ary = '' worked. > > So often you can get awat without a statement like that, then sometimes you have to have it. > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > ________________________________________________________________ Sam Rutherford Music City Metals 615/255-4481 samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net From jhdean at mac.com Wed Dec 7 12:03:57 2011 From: jhdean at mac.com (Jeff Dean) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 11:03:57 -0900 Subject: Custom hotkeys Message-ID: <4FE352F5-8957-492C-AA40-86E65A05F3E5@mac.com> Hello, I have noticed, I think since installing Lion, that though my custom hotkeys still work in Panorama, they don't show up in the Hotkey Manager window and are not listed in the UniversalHotKeys.txt file in the Extensions folder. Any ideas what is up and how to get them to show in the manager? They were universal and not file specific. I would like to be able to review them as I am sure I don't remember them all. Thanks, Jeff From michael.witbeck at oregonstate.edu Wed Dec 7 13:20:50 2011 From: michael.witbeck at oregonstate.edu (Witbeck, Michael) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:20:50 -0800 Subject: Syntax question Message-ID: Do I have to spell everything out like this or is there some way to make these sequences tighter? t1-t5 are field values and tm is a variable. if tm notcontains t1 and tm notcontains t2 and tm notcontains t3 and tm notcontains t4 and tm notcontains t5 append tm, t1 append tm, t2 append tm, t3 append tm, t4 Append tm, t5 Thanks, Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The statements that follow could be consolidated to append tm, t1+t2+t3+t4+t5 Dave ________________________________ From: Witbeck, Michael [michael.witbeck at oregonstate.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:20 PM To: Qna at provue.com Subject: Syntax question Do I have to spell everything out like this or is there some way to make these sequences tighter? t1-t5 are field values and tm is a variable. if tm notcontains t1 and tm notcontains t2 and tm notcontains t3 and tm notcontains t4 and tm notcontains t5 append tm, t1 append tm, t2 append tm, t3 append tm, t4 Append tm, t5 Thanks, Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Wed Dec 7 14:11:12 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:11:12 +0000 Subject: Custom hotkeys In-Reply-To: <4FE352F5-8957-492C-AA40-86E65A05F3E5@mac.com> References: <4FE352F5-8957-492C-AA40-86E65A05F3E5@mac.com> Message-ID: Don't know how it could have happened, but if they are still working, they must still be in the InitializeGlobalHotKeys.txt file. Deciphering the contents of that file is likely to be tedious, but unless you have a backup copy of UniversalHotKeys.txt, it may be the only way to go. Dave ________________________________________ From: Jeff Dean [jhdean at mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 2:03 PM To: List Provue Subject: Custom hotkeys Hello, I have noticed, I think since installing Lion, that though my custom hotkeys still work in Panorama, they don't show up in the Hotkey Manager window and are not listed in the UniversalHotKeys.txt file in the Extensions folder. Any ideas what is up and how to get them to show in the manager? They were universal and not file specific. I would like to be able to review them as I am sure I don't remember them all. Thanks, Jeff _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From martinmc at knology.net Wed Dec 7 18:42:01 2011 From: martinmc at knology.net (Martin McCaffery) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 20:42:01 -0600 Subject: Problem with drawobjects In-Reply-To: References: <4FE352F5-8957-492C-AA40-86E65A05F3E5@mac.com> Message-ID: I have the following in a ".CurrentRecord" procedure if info("windowname")="Payroll DB:Payroll Entry" object "entryBox" drawobjects "entryBox" endif showpage endnoshow rtn When I use the associated form to scroll through the records, turns the first field (numeric) to zero. No other fields are affected. entryBox is just a rectangle I have for background color and to force variables to redraw. It is not connected to the first field. When I remove the drawobjects command, the problem goes away. It does this with other forms, too. Is there something about the behavior of drawobjects I'm missing? From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Wed Dec 7 19:11:01 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 03:11:01 +0000 Subject: Problem with drawobjects In-Reply-To: References: <4FE352F5-8957-492C-AA40-86E65A05F3E5@mac.com> , Message-ID: DrawObjects doesn't have a parameter, so the "entryBox" that follows is a separate command. It's an implicit assignment. If that field had been a text field, you would have found the word entryBox in it, but since it's numeric, you are finding val("entryBox") which is zero. Reduce that line to just drawobjects, and the problem should go away. Put the command NoImplicitAssignment at the top of the procedure, and you will get an error message when you try to do one. Dave ________________________________________ From: Martin McCaffery [martinmc at knology.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:42 PM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Problem with drawobjects I have the following in a ".CurrentRecord" procedure if info("windowname")="Payroll DB:Payroll Entry" object "entryBox" drawobjects "entryBox" endif showpage endnoshow rtn When I use the associated form to scroll through the records, turns the first field (numeric) to zero. No other fields are affected. entryBox is just a rectangle I have for background color and to force variables to redraw. It is not connected to the first field. When I remove the drawobjects command, the problem goes away. It does this with other forms, too. Is there something about the behavior of drawobjects I'm missing? _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From martinmc at knology.net Wed Dec 7 19:22:48 2011 From: martinmc at knology.net (Martin McCaffery) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 21:22:48 -0600 Subject: Problem with drawobjects In-Reply-To: References: <4FE352F5-8957-492C-AA40-86E65A05F3E5@mac.com> , Message-ID: Doh! I will now sign up for a remidial reading class Thanks >DrawObjects doesn't have a parameter, so the "entryBox" that follows >is a separate command. It's an implicit assignment. If that field >had been a text field, you would have found the word entryBox in it, >but since it's numeric, you are finding val("entryBox") which is >zero. Reduce that line to just drawobjects, and the problem should >go away. > >Put the command > >NoImplicitAssignment > >at the top of the procedure, and you will get an error message when >you try to do one. > >Dave >________________________________________ >From: Martin McCaffery [martinmc at knology.net] >Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:42 PM >To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) >Subject: Problem with drawobjects > >I have the following in a ".CurrentRecord" procedure > >if info("windowname")="Payroll DB:Payroll Entry" > object "entryBox" > drawobjects "entryBox" >endif >showpage >endnoshow >rtn > > >When I use the associated form to scroll through the records, turns >the first field (numeric) to zero. No other fields are affected. >entryBox is just a rectangle I have for background color and to force >variables to redraw. It is not connected to the first field. When I >remove the drawobjects command, the problem goes away. > >It does this with other forms, too. > >Is there something about the behavior of drawobjects I'm missing? > >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From jim at provue.com Wed Dec 7 23:33:30 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:33:30 -0800 Subject: Custom hotkeys In-Reply-To: <4FE352F5-8957-492C-AA40-86E65A05F3E5@mac.com> Message-ID: On 12/7/11 at 12:03 PM, jhdean at mac.com (Jeff Dean) wrote: >Hello, > >I have noticed, I think since installing Lion, that though my >custom hotkeys still work in Panorama, they don't show up in >the Hotkey Manager window and are not listed in the >UniversalHotKeys.txt file in the Extensions folder. Any ideas >what is up and how to get them to show in the manager? They >were universal and not file specific. I would like to be able >to review them as I am sure I don't remember them all. I can't imagine how installing Lion could have done this. As Dave mentioned, the best bet would be to work from a backup of the UniversalHotKeys.txt file. If you don't have one, the first thing to do is to back up the InitializeGlobalHotKeys.txt file. Otherwise, you could easily overwrite it by using the Hotkey wizard. To deciper the InitializeGlobalHotKeys.txt file, you will need to look at the table on page 390 of the Panorama Formulas & Programming PDF file. Jim From jim at provue.com Wed Dec 7 23:37:15 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:37:15 -0800 Subject: supergettext error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/6/11 at 2:49 PM, dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) wrote: >To fix it, you can open the SUPERGETTEXT procedure in >_DialogAlertLib, find the line which reads > >theText=parameter(1) > >and add this right after that line. > >if error theText="" endif I have made this change to the master copy. Jim From jhdean at me.com Wed Dec 7 15:40:28 2011 From: jhdean at me.com (Jeff Dean) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:40:28 -0900 Subject: Custom hotkeys In-Reply-To: References: <4FE352F5-8957-492C-AA40-86E65A05F3E5@mac.com> Message-ID: <723EE11F-B0B6-4009-B2C5-8C1F59417F4B@me.com> Thanks Dave, Well it is seems a mystery. The InitializeGlobalHotKeys.txt had only the standard 12 hotkeys as did the UniversalHotKeys.txt but the custom ones were working even though I had quit Panorama multiple times. I found a backup of the InitializeGlobalHotKeys.txt file that had my additions but there was no backup of the UniversalHotKeys.txt file in time machine. When I took everything out of the hotkey folder the custom ones didn't work. When I put the backup in they did. Is there a way for them to show up in the manager without my reentering them? Jeff On Dec 7, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Thompson, David wrote: > Don't know how it could have happened, but if they are still working, they must still be in the InitializeGlobalHotKeys.txt file. Deciphering the contents of that file is likely to be tedious, but unless you have a backup copy of UniversalHotKeys.txt, it may be the only way to go. > > Dave > ________________________________________ > From: Jeff Dean [jhdean at mac.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 2:03 PM > To: List Provue > Subject: Custom hotkeys > > Hello, > > I have noticed, I think since installing Lion, that though my custom hotkeys still work in Panorama, they don't show up in the Hotkey Manager window and are not listed in the UniversalHotKeys.txt file in the Extensions folder. Any ideas what is up and how to get them to show in the manager? They were universal and not file specific. I would like to be able to review them as I am sure I don't remember them all. > > Thanks, > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From jhdean at me.com Wed Dec 7 15:54:49 2011 From: jhdean at me.com (Jeff Dean) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:54:49 -0900 Subject: Text file not recognized Message-ID: <65A8847E-9F30-4409-AB39-10B41CE889EA@me.com> Hello, I tried importing a text file with a procedure today using openfile "&&"+ folderpath( folder)+file. It was a shopping cart order export with .TXT extension which the finder called a plain text file. Panorama gave the error that only Panorama, Overvue and Text files can be appended. When I opened it with BBedit and saved it under a different name it opened normally. Changing the name in the finder before that did not do anything. When I open it manually from the file menu, Panorama opens the file into a new database normally. What could be causing this? Thanks, Jeff From barryk at caravanbeads.net Thu Dec 8 04:17:03 2011 From: barryk at caravanbeads.net (Barry Kahn) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 07:17:03 -0500 Subject: Text file not recognized In-Reply-To: <65A8847E-9F30-4409-AB39-10B41CE889EA@me.com> References: <65A8847E-9F30-4409-AB39-10B41CE889EA@me.com> Message-ID: <84C38475-B452-4EA4-B130-AD0FDA988E7A@caravanbeads.net> Try changing openfile to opentextfile. b > Hello, > > I tried importing a text file with a procedure today using openfile "&&"+ folderpath( folder)+file. It was a shopping cart order export with .TXT extension which the finder called a plain text file. Panorama gave the error that only Panorama, Overvue and Text files can be appended. When I opened it with BBedit and saved it under a different name it opened normally. Changing the name in the finder before that did not do anything. When I open it manually from the file menu, Panorama opens the file into a new database normally. > > What could be causing this? > > Thanks, > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna Barry Kahn Caravan Beads, Inc. 915 Forest Ave Portland ME 04103 800-230-8941 fax: 207-874-2664 www.caravanbeads.net barryk at caravanbeads.net *** Please visit our bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ *** My daughter Heather's business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Thu Dec 8 04:45:55 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:45:55 +0000 Subject: Text file not recognized In-Reply-To: <65A8847E-9F30-4409-AB39-10B41CE889EA@me.com> References: <65A8847E-9F30-4409-AB39-10B41CE889EA@me.com> Message-ID: The name change is a red herring. When BBedit saved it, it had a TEXT type code, which it didn't have before. When you use OpenFile in a procedure, the .txt extension isn't enough. (It is enough when you do it manually from the File menu.) In a procedure, you can use OpenTextFile instead of OpenFile, and Panorama will simply assume that the file is a text file, regardless of its type code or extension. Dave ________________________________________ From: Jeff Dean [jhdean at me.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 5:54 PM To: List Provue Subject: Text file not recognized Hello, I tried importing a text file with a procedure today using openfile "&&"+ folderpath( folder)+file. It was a shopping cart order export with .TXT extension which the finder called a plain text file. Panorama gave the error that only Panorama, Overvue and Text files can be appended. When I opened it with BBedit and saved it under a different name it opened normally. Changing the name in the finder before that did not do anything. When I open it manually from the file menu, Panorama opens the file into a new database normally. What could be causing this? Thanks, Jeff _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From mark at abernackie.com Thu Dec 8 09:58:50 2011 From: mark at abernackie.com (Mark Terry) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:58:50 -0500 Subject: Text file not recognized In-Reply-To: References: <65A8847E-9F30-4409-AB39-10B41CE889EA@me.com> Message-ID: Isn't there also a problem with using double-ampersands with a text file? I thought single ampersands meant "Append", whereas double ampersands meant "Append and import by field names"? Where do the field names come from with a text file? M On Dec 8, 2011, at 7:45 AM, Thompson, David wrote: > The name change is a red herring. When BBedit saved it, it had a > TEXT type code, which it didn't have before. When you use OpenFile > in a procedure, the .txt extension isn't enough. (It is enough when > you do it manually from the File menu.) In a procedure, you can use > OpenTextFile instead of OpenFile, and Panorama will simply assume > that the file is a text file, regardless of its type code or > extension. > > Dave > ________________________________________ > From: Jeff Dean [jhdean at me.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 5:54 PM > To: List Provue > Subject: Text file not recognized > > Hello, > > I tried importing a text file with a procedure today using openfile > "&&"+ folderpath( folder)+file. It was a shopping cart order export > with .TXT extension which the finder called a plain text file. > Panorama gave the error that only Panorama, Overvue and Text files > can be appended. When I opened it with BBedit and saved it under a > different name it opened normally. Changing the name in the finder > before that did not do anything. When I open it manually from the > file menu, Panorama opens the file into a new database normally. > > What could be causing this? > > Thanks, > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Thu Dec 8 10:51:18 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 18:51:18 +0000 Subject: Text file not recognized In-Reply-To: References: <65A8847E-9F30-4409-AB39-10B41CE889EA@me.com> , Message-ID: With a text file, two ampersands does the same thing as one. It's only a problem if you expect it to do otherwise. Dave ________________________________________ From: Mark Terry [mark at abernackie.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:58 AM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Re: Text file not recognized Isn't there also a problem with using double-ampersands with a text file? I thought single ampersands meant "Append", whereas double ampersands meant "Append and import by field names"? Where do the field names come from with a text file? M On Dec 8, 2011, at 7:45 AM, Thompson, David wrote: > The name change is a red herring. When BBedit saved it, it had a > TEXT type code, which it didn't have before. When you use OpenFile > in a procedure, the .txt extension isn't enough. (It is enough when > you do it manually from the File menu.) In a procedure, you can use > OpenTextFile instead of OpenFile, and Panorama will simply assume > that the file is a text file, regardless of its type code or > extension. > > Dave > ________________________________________ > From: Jeff Dean [jhdean at me.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 5:54 PM > To: List Provue > Subject: Text file not recognized > > Hello, > > I tried importing a text file with a procedure today using openfile > "&&"+ folderpath( folder)+file. It was a shopping cart order export > with .TXT extension which the finder called a plain text file. > Panorama gave the error that only Panorama, Overvue and Text files > can be appended. When I opened it with BBedit and saved it under a > different name it opened normally. Changing the name in the finder > before that did not do anything. When I open it manually from the > file menu, Panorama opens the file into a new database normally. > > What could be causing this? > > Thanks, > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From pchance at quickdata.com Thu Dec 8 13:26:05 2011 From: pchance at quickdata.com (pchance at quickdata.com) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 15:26:05 -0600 Subject: Text file not recognized In-Reply-To: References: <65A8847E-9F30-4409-AB39-10B41CE889EA@me.com> , Message-ID: <36baac51af6b66e10c370093e1b3a822.squirrel@www10.qth.com> Mark, I would think the first record in a text file would be expected to be the field names. that "standard" has been around for years in apps with "mail merge" features. Just a guess; doesn't make it so. Paul QuickData > ________________________________________ > From: Mark Terry [mark at abernackie.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:58 AM > To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) > Subject: Re: Text file not recognized > > Isn't there also a problem with using double-ampersands with a text > file? I thought single ampersands meant "Append", whereas double > ampersands meant "Append and import by field names"? Where do the > field names come from with a text file? > > M From jim at provue.com Thu Dec 8 14:01:50 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:01:50 -0800 Subject: Text file not recognized In-Reply-To: <36baac51af6b66e10c370093e1b3a822.squirrel@www10.qth.com> Message-ID: On 12/8/11 at 1:26 PM, pchance at quickdata.com wrote: >I would think the first record in a text file would be expected to be the >field names. that "standard" has been around for years in apps with "mail >merge" features. Just a guess; doesn't make it so. Nope, the append with matching field names only works with Panorama databases, not with text files. Jim From trackmanpete at comcast.net Thu Dec 8 17:08:00 2011 From: trackmanpete at comcast.net (Pete Schuder) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:08:00 -0500 Subject: Lookup multiple fields Message-ID: <4EE15F70.9020708@comcast.net> I am trying to do a lookup of two fields (LastName and FirstName) and put them into one field in a second database (Name). I can get the one field but not both. I tried FormulaFill lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",num,"FirstName"+" "+"LastName","",0) but no luck. Looked through the reading material but can't find a page that addresses this. Pete Schuder From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Thu Dec 8 17:46:05 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 01:46:05 +0000 Subject: Lookup multiple fields In-Reply-To: <4EE15F70.9020708@comcast.net> References: <4EE15F70.9020708@comcast.net> Message-ID: You need to do two lookups, and assemble the results into the string you want. lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",num,"FirstName","",0) + " " + lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",num,"LastName","",0) The second lookup will be much faster than the first, because the database and key value are the same. Panorama will remember in which record it found the first one, and go directly to it for the second one. Dave ________________________________________ From: Pete Schuder [trackmanpete at comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:08 PM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Lookup multiple fields I am trying to do a lookup of two fields (LastName and FirstName) and put them into one field in a second database (Name). I can get the one field but not both. I tried FormulaFill lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",num,"FirstName"+" "+"LastName","",0) but no luck. Looked through the reading material but can't find a page that addresses this. Pete Schuder _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From martinmc at knology.net Thu Dec 8 17:49:59 2011 From: martinmc at knology.net (Martin McCaffery) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 19:49:59 -0600 Subject: Lookup multiple fields In-Reply-To: <4EE15F70.9020708@comcast.net> References: <4EE15F70.9020708@comcast.net> Message-ID: I think what you are trying to do would be: Formula fill (lookup(("2012IndoorGirls","order",num,"FirstName","",0)+" "+lookup(lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",num,"LastName","",0)) >I am trying to do a lookup of two fields (LastName and FirstName) >and put them into one field in a second database (Name). I can get >the one field but not both. I tried FormulaFill >lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",num,"FirstName"+" "+"LastName","",0) >but no luck. Looked through the reading material but can't find a >page that addresses this. > >Pete Schuder >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From trackmanpete at comcast.net Thu Dec 8 17:49:27 2011 From: trackmanpete at comcast.net (Pete Schuder) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:49:27 -0500 Subject: Lookup multiple fields In-Reply-To: <4EE15F70.9020708@comcast.net> References: <4EE15F70.9020708@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4EE16927.2070303@comcast.net> Well, I got it to work by using this formula.... FormulaFill lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",?num?,"FirstName","",0)+" "+lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",?num?,"LastName","",0) I see where there is a formula function lookupalldouble(thedb,keyfield,keyvalue,datafieldone,datafieldtwo,mainsep,subsep) But I could not figure out what mainsep was needed. Would the lookupalldouble be the correct one? Pete Schuder On 12/8/11 8:08 PM, Pete Schuder wrote: > I am trying to do a lookup of two fields (LastName and FirstName) and > put them into one field in a second database (Name). I can get the > one field but not both. I tried FormulaFill > lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",num,"FirstName"+" "+"LastName","",0) > but no luck. Looked through the reading material but can't find a page > that addresses this. > > Pete Schuder > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From trackmanpete at comcast.net Thu Dec 8 17:56:16 2011 From: trackmanpete at comcast.net (Pete Schuder) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:56:16 -0500 Subject: Lookup multiple fields In-Reply-To: References: <4EE15F70.9020708@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4EE16AC0.1090701@comcast.net> thanks for both answers, which my slow brain did figure out about 2 minutes before receiving your answers (glad I was on the right track). I also asked the question about the other function - lookupalldouble(, just for curiosity sake. It is a function I am not familiar with (I am Pan 3.5 or earlier when it comes to programming).... Pete Schuder On 12/8/11 8:46 PM, Thompson, David wrote: > You need to do two lookups, and assemble the results into the string you want. > > lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",num,"FirstName","",0) + " " + lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",num,"LastName","",0) > > The second lookup will be much faster than the first, because the database and key value are the same. Panorama will remember in which record it found the first one, and go directly to it for the second one. > > Dave > ________________________________________ > From: Pete Schuder [trackmanpete at comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:08 PM > To: Panorama Questions& Answers (Discussion) > Subject: Lookup multiple fields > > I am trying to do a lookup of two fields (LastName and FirstName) and > put them into one field in a second database (Name). I can get the one > field but not both. I tried FormulaFill > lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",num,"FirstName"+" "+"LastName","",0) > but no luck. Looked through the reading material but can't find a page > that addresses this. > > Pete Schuder > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Thu Dec 8 18:03:07 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 02:03:07 +0000 Subject: Lookup multiple fields In-Reply-To: <4EE16927.2070303@comcast.net> References: <4EE15F70.9020708@comcast.net>,<4EE16927.2070303@comcast.net> Message-ID: The way you did it is the best way. LookupAllDouble( is a custom function, that has two lookupall( functions, and an arraymerge( function in its formula. It could be made to work, and it wouldn't matter much what the mainsep was, because both of the merged arrays would have only one element each, and therefore no separator. Your formula is much simpler, and it should be faster as well, because the first lookup( would stop looking after it found the match, instead of continuing to look for more, and the second one wouldn't search at all. It would just go directly to the record. Dave ________________________________________ From: Pete Schuder [trackmanpete at comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:49 PM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Re: Lookup multiple fields Well, I got it to work by using this formula.... FormulaFill lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",?num?,"FirstName","",0)+" "+lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",?num?,"LastName","",0) I see where there is a formula function lookupalldouble(thedb,keyfield,keyvalue,datafieldone,datafieldtwo,mainsep,subsep) But I could not figure out what mainsep was needed. Would the lookupalldouble be the correct one? Pete Schuder On 12/8/11 8:08 PM, Pete Schuder wrote: > I am trying to do a lookup of two fields (LastName and FirstName) and > put them into one field in a second database (Name). I can get the > one field but not both. I tried FormulaFill > lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",num,"FirstName"+" "+"LastName","",0) > but no luck. Looked through the reading material but can't find a page > that addresses this. > > Pete Schuder > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From trackmanpete at comcast.net Thu Dec 8 18:10:00 2011 From: trackmanpete at comcast.net (Pete Schuder) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:10:00 -0500 Subject: Lookup multiple fields In-Reply-To: References: <4EE15F70.9020708@comcast.net>, <4EE16927.2070303@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4EE16DF8.4040204@comcast.net> Great, thanks David. Pete On 12/8/11 9:03 PM, Thompson, David wrote: > The way you did it is the best way. LookupAllDouble( is a custom function, that has two lookupall( functions, and an arraymerge( function in its formula. It could be made to work, and it wouldn't matter much what the mainsep was, because both of the merged arrays would have only one element each, and therefore no separator. Your formula is much simpler, and it should be faster as well, because the first lookup( would stop looking after it found the match, instead of continuing to look for more, and the second one wouldn't search at all. It would just go directly to the record. > > Dave > ________________________________________ > From: Pete Schuder [trackmanpete at comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:49 PM > To: Panorama Questions& Answers (Discussion) > Subject: Re: Lookup multiple fields > > Well, I got it to work by using this formula.... > > FormulaFill lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",?num?,"FirstName","",0)+" > "+lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",?num?,"LastName","",0) > > I see where there is a formula function > lookupalldouble(thedb,keyfield,keyvalue,datafieldone,datafieldtwo,mainsep,subsep) > > But I could not figure out what mainsep was needed. Would the > lookupalldouble be the correct one? > > Pete Schuder > > On 12/8/11 8:08 PM, Pete Schuder wrote: >> I am trying to do a lookup of two fields (LastName and FirstName) and >> put them into one field in a second database (Name). I can get the >> one field but not both. I tried FormulaFill >> lookup("2012IndoorGirls","order",num,"FirstName"+" "+"LastName","",0) >> but no luck. Looked through the reading material but can't find a page >> that addresses this. >> >> Pete Schuder >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From robert at ameeti.net Fri Dec 9 17:47:54 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 17:47:54 -0800 Subject: Cannot save - Missing Records Message-ID: <0E1E0CEE-44A3-488F-99A9-EAB5E3B08D3F@ameeti.net> Multiple times a day I get an error message when attempting to Save a file. The message is something like this: Cannot save because 1100 records are missing. Use SaveACopyAs to save 2561 records. Why is this happening? What do I do to stop this from happening? OS: 10.7 Lion (but it has happened previously with Tiger, Leopard & Snow Leopard) Panorama v 6.0.0 This happens on different databases as well as different computers. Panorama seems to be losing the reliability that it once had. :-( :-( From jk at acaciasystems.com Sat Dec 10 09:23:41 2011 From: jk at acaciasystems.com (Jeff Kozuch) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 09:23:41 -0800 Subject: Cannot save - Missing Records In-Reply-To: <0E1E0CEE-44A3-488F-99A9-EAB5E3B08D3F@ameeti.net> References: <0E1E0CEE-44A3-488F-99A9-EAB5E3B08D3F@ameeti.net> Message-ID: <8B5214A5-E34D-4AF3-BC81-A4A9807BE1B1@acaciasystems.com> > Cannot save because 1100 records are missing. Use > SaveACopyAs to save 2561 records. Rob, That happened to me frequently a year or two ago. I assume it is a shared file. I forced the file(s) to single user, exported the data to a text file, deleted all records, then reimported the data. Once or twice I had to go back to an older version of the file and reimport the newer data. Luckily I haven't had it happen recently, but it was very frustrating and I never found out what caused the problem. Good luck. Jeff Jeff Kozuch President, Acacia Systems Panorama Programming and Training Apple Certified Technical Coordinator jk at acaciasystems.com http://www.acaciasystems.com 562-437-7690 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us Mon Dec 12 14:12:28 2011 From: jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:12:28 -0500 Subject: Another problem with character sets. Please help! Message-ID: It seems every couple months I get plagued by strange characters appearing in files because of character set incompatibilities. Anyway, this time I imported 1,100 or so emails from Apple Mail using the Panorama procedure discussed on here a few weeks ago. Now I'm saving the body of these email messages to text files, and I am noticing many places where on my screen and within Panorama it just appears to be a blank space, what is getting saved into the text file contains a capital-E with an accent mark on it next to some of the space characters. What's the best way to track down and remove all of these "bad" and invisible capital-E with accent mark characters which are within the data imported into Panorama? They are invisible within Panorama but only appear when I use "FileSave" to save the message bodies into text files. Any suggestions would be appreciated! Best wishes, - Jeff From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Mon Dec 12 15:00:29 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:00:29 +0000 Subject: Another problem with character sets. Please help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The non breaking space, in the Mac Roman character set, has the same value as the ? in the Windows 1252 or iso Latin character sets, and email programs often convert spaces at the beginning of a line to non breaking spaces. It may be that the program you are using to open those text files is using some other character set besides Mac Roman. If there is some way you can specify that the text is Mac Roman, that may get it to display the characters correctly. You might also want to use Change in Panorama to change option-space in the Body field to space, because that's probably what it was before the email changed it. Dave ________________________________________ From: Jeff Gold [jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us] Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 4:12 PM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Another problem with character sets. Please help! It seems every couple months I get plagued by strange characters appearing in files because of character set incompatibilities. Anyway, this time I imported 1,100 or so emails from Apple Mail using the Panorama procedure discussed on here a few weeks ago. Now I'm saving the body of these email messages to text files, and I am noticing many places where on my screen and within Panorama it just appears to be a blank space, what is getting saved into the text file contains a capital-E with an accent mark on it next to some of the space characters. What's the best way to track down and remove all of these "bad" and invisible capital-E with accent mark characters which are within the data imported into Panorama? They are invisible within Panorama but only appear when I use "FileSave" to save the message bodies into text files. Any suggestions would be appreciated! Best wishes, - Jeff _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us Mon Dec 12 15:17:45 2011 From: jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:17:45 -0500 Subject: Another problem with character sets. Please help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69CA8029-4AAF-447C-8CF4-238F1C77A1E5@state.ga.weo.us> That did the trick! Thanks, Dave. - Jeff On Dec 12, 2011, at 6:0029 PM, Thompson, David wrote: > change option-space in the Body field to space From qnaweb at provue.com Tue Dec 13 10:39:48 2011 From: qnaweb at provue.com (Julie Garren) Date: 13 Dec 2011 10:39:48 -0800 Subject: CSV in Panorama 5.5 vs 6 Message-ID: Hello! I currently use Panorama 5.5 to maintain a database of about 3000 records. I'm testing version 6.0 for broader implementation throughout our company. My question pertains to this: for v.5.5, I am able to import records using a CSV file. This CSV file even contained fields with commas within them (addresses and location, suck as "Seattle, WA" or "1234 Sesame Street, Unit #425"), with no problem. For version 6.0, however, the CSV files push fields with a comma in them to separate fields. I am able to override this issue by importing a TXT file, though this makes creating an import file a two-step procedure (export from Numbers to Excel, Export from Excel to Text -- instead of a single export to CSV from Numbers, which is what we're able to accomplish with version 5.5). Is there some sort of setting I need to enable/disable, or is this just a revised, um, feature in 6.0? From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Tue Dec 13 13:05:40 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:05:40 +0000 Subject: CSV in Panorama 5.5 vs 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just tried this. I was able to correctly import a CSV file with commas in two of the fields, using Open File. Using the Text Import wizard, the columns were displayed incorrectly in the wizard, but, with a little trial and error, it was possible to get it to import correctly as well. In my test database, the 6th and 7th fields were the ones that had commas in them. In the wizard's display, the contents of the 6th field appeared in the 6th and 7th columns, and the contents of the 7th field appeared in the 8th and 9th columns. Never the less, if I just put ?6? in the field where I wanted the 6th field to go, and ?7? where I wanted the 7th field to go, it imported correctly. There is definitely a bug in the wizard, but it's still possible to use it, and the old fashioned way of doing it, with Open File, works just as it always has. Dave ________________________________________ From: Julie Garren [qnaweb at provue.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:39 PM To: qna at provue.com Subject: CSV in Panorama 5.5 vs 6 Hello! I currently use Panorama 5.5 to maintain a database of about 3000 records. I'm testing version 6.0 for broader implementation throughout our company. My question pertains to this: for v.5.5, I am able to import records using a CSV file. This CSV file even contained fields with commas within them (addresses and location, suck as "Seattle, WA" or "1234 Sesame Street, Unit #425"), with no problem. For version 6.0, however, the CSV files push fields with a comma in them to separate fields. I am able to override this issue by importing a TXT file, though this makes creating an import file a two-step procedure (export from Numbers to Excel, Export from Excel to Text -- instead of a single export to CSV from Numbers, which is what we're able to accomplish with version 5.5). Is there some sort of setting I need to enable/disable, or is this just a revised, um, feature in 6.0? _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From support at augursoftware.com Tue Dec 13 12:57:35 2011 From: support at augursoftware.com (Augur Software) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:57:35 -0500 Subject: Panorama to hand-held database Message-ID: <473F3182-39E5-4A4F-B308-F87E517F58D8@augursoftware.com> Hi gang, Has anyone created a solution for getting a panorama database onto an iPad or a mobile phone (iPhone or Android phone) and/or back to Panorama? Ideally, I would like to be able to hook up a handheld scanner to the mobile device for input. Am I correct in assuming that Panorama Sheets does not run on iOS? (Is that something in the works?) To start, I'd like to create a simple database of all parts sold. Then enter data (quantity required) of specific part. Procedure would be scanning the part number from a shelf, (retail area) and entering quantity required to restock. The same database would then resort for pulling stock from warehouse in bay sequence. The key is that it needs to be a small mobile system. A panorama back-end allows for maximum flexibility. Thanks, Steve From scott at prototek.net Tue Dec 13 13:43:37 2011 From: scott at prototek.net (Scott Taylor) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:43:37 -0800 Subject: Server migration not working right Message-ID: Our old Enterprise server machine (a G4 Mini) died, so we had to bring it up on another computer. First we put it on an old G4 tower running Tiger, and it worked fine. Not wanting to get stuck on an old machine, we just now moved it to a Mac Book Pro running Snow Leopard. This is Panorama 5.5.2. While configuring the Enterprise server, I get an error when I go to turn on Internet sharing. It asks me for the system administrator password (yes, I know that is not the Enterprise password) and it gives me this error: > Failed to install CGI (incorrect system administrator password) But it lets the indicator on Internet sharing go to ?yes.? My clients can connect using Apple Events, but not TCP/IP, and it is connecting fine that way. It is vital for us to have Internet sharing available for off-site use, but fortunately that can wait a bit while we solve this. Is this a known problem? Have I missed some other configuration step? Please don?t tell me that 5.5.2 won?t run properly on Snow Leopard. We have no need nor desire to upgrade to 6 at this point. Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not wanting to get stuck on an old machine, we just now moved it > to a Mac Book Pro running Snow Leopard. This is Panorama 5.5.2. While > configuring the Enterprise server, I get an error when I go to turn on > Internet sharing. It asks me for the system administrator password (yes, I > know that is not the Enterprise password) and it gives me this error: > >> Failed to install CGI (incorrect system administrator password) > > But it lets the indicator on Internet sharing go to ?yes.? My clients can > connect using Apple Events, but not TCP/IP, and it is connecting fine that > way. It is vital for us to have Internet sharing available for off-site use, > but fortunately that can wait a bit while we solve this. > > Is this a known problem? Have I missed some other configuration step? Please > don?t tell me that 5.5.2 won?t run properly on Snow Leopard. 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One of my clients has had this problem for a long time: opening the first file runs an .Initialize that loads about a dozen other files. Many of them open Secret, but there are 3 that open to visible forms. Whenever it opened a visible form, Panorama would stall, not continuing the load process until you click on the desktop, then back on the form (lose focus, regain focus) then it would continue as normal until the next visible form, and would have to treat each one this way to get it to finish. Today in my gnashing, I discovered that she had been set up to connect through Apple Events. I set her to connect with TCP/IP after I got that working again, and Voila this behavior doesn?t happen any more. What gives?? > > From: Scott Taylor > Reply-To: "Panorama Questions & Answers \(Discussion\)" > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:49:52 -0800 > To: Panorama QnA > Subject: Re: Server migration not working right > <<>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JC at JamesCook.biz Tue Dec 13 18:32:24 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:32:24 -0500 Subject: Server migration not working right In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35A2FA67-4213-412B-85DD-15D9AB217642@JamesCook.biz> It's been a while and I don't do it often enough, but check in Panorama:Extensions:Enterprise to see if you have a cgi-bin folder. You need a file named panorama.cgi inside it. I've had bad copies that caused otherwise inexplicable errors until corrected. Permissions can be a part of the issue. On the stalling, I've encountered it on shared files if Panorama loses focus before the launch is completed, such as when I jump to another application during the launch. I can tell when it's happened because the fan starts running due to the processor heating up. When I make Panorama active again, the launching resumes and the temp drops. This is on my local Apple Events sharing so it's very possibly the same issue as you're dealing with. On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Scott Taylor wrote: > Well, that was productive. > > I think I discovered the source of the problem, but the utterly misleading error message remains. Turns out I did not have Web Sharing on in system Preferences. When I turned that on, TCP/IP connections worked, but I still get the same ?Failed to install CGI ? bad admin password? error when I set Internet sharing to On. I would really like an explanation of that one. > > On that subject, I discovered another Panorama ?quirk.? One of my clients has had this problem for a long time: opening the first file runs an .Initialize that loads about a dozen other files. Many of them open Secret, but there are 3 that open to visible forms. Whenever it opened a visible form, Panorama would stall, not continuing the load process until you click on the desktop, then back on the form (lose focus, regain focus) then it would continue as normal until the next visible form, and would have to treat each one this way to get it to finish. Today in my gnashing, I discovered that she had been set up to connect through Apple Events. I set her to connect with TCP/IP after I got that working again, and Voila this behavior doesn?t happen any more. What gives?? > > >> >> From: Scott Taylor >> Reply-To: "Panorama Questions & Answers \(Discussion\)" >> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:49:52 -0800 >> To: Panorama QnA >> Subject: Re: Server migration not working right >> > > <<>> > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at provue.com Tue Dec 13 20:09:18 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:09:18 -0800 Subject: Server migration not working right In-Reply-To: <35A2FA67-4213-412B-85DD-15D9AB217642@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: On 12/13/11 at 6:32 PM, JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) wrote: >It's been a while and I don't do it often enough, but check in >Panorama:Extensions:Enterprise to see if you have a cgi-bin >folder. You need a file named panorama.cgi inside it. This file is not used in that location, it's merely sitting there so it can be copied into place. When you turn on internet sharing or web publishing, Panorama copies this file into place and sets up the proper permissions. This is why Panorama asks you for your system password -- it needs that to set up the permissions. Once it installs and sets up panorama.cgi, it checks to make sure that all of the permissions are set properly. If they aren't, it assumes that the password was incorrect (this is the only way Panorama can tell, it cannot directly test the system password). If you have some sort of permission problem then this process can fail even if you entered the correct password, however, Panorama can't tell the difference between this and entering the wrong password, so it always shows the message about the incorrect password. By the way, this error message has nothing to do with whether or not Web Sharing is turned on. You should get a different error message if it is not turned on. I am very surprised that you say that IP sharing works even though you got this error message - it shouldn't. If the permissions aren't correct Apache won't be able to communicate with Panorama. If you're using the web interface you'll see a "500 Internal Server Error" when this happens. Jim From jhdean at mac.com Tue Dec 13 21:46:18 2011 From: jhdean at mac.com (Jeff Dean) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:46:18 -0900 Subject: Matrix refreshing Message-ID: <7D86ECBE-E315-4532-A47B-FB21A24FAAD5@mac.com> Hello, I have a photo matrix that displays the contents of a variable in the Matrix Data part of the dialog. When I do a find in the database or click on a different record in the data sheet the matrix redraws and jumps back to the beginning if it was scrolled down. There is nothing in the .CurrentRecord procedure that is causing this. Why would clicking on a new record in the data sheet or doing a find and going to a new record cause it to jump back to the beginning? Thanks, Jeff From mcleodrb at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 01:38:37 2011 From: mcleodrb at gmail.com (robertmcleod) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:23:37 +0545 Subject: Fatal Error (Hunter fn) Message-ID: <7B955822-B6E9-4C30-812A-5AF5C8A174D4@gmail.com> I have lost access to a very important database (to me). When I try to open it, I get this message, "An error has occurred that is not your fault (Hunter fn). Press OK to return to the finder." When I click OK, Panorama completely closes, and indeed, I am back to the Finder. Is there any recovery from this error that I can use to get my database back and running please? Thanks in advance. -Bob (PS - Mac OSX 10.6.8, Panorama 6.0.0) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In this case don't open the form -- delete it from a different one. Fingers crossed. Peter On 14 Dec 2011, at 09:38, robertmcleod wrote: > I have lost access to a very important database (to me). When I try to open it, I get this message, > "An error has occurred that is not your fault (Hunter fn). Press OK to return to the finder." > When I click OK, Panorama completely closes, and indeed, I am back to the Finder. Is there any recovery from this error that I can use to get my database back and running please? 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Dave ________________________________ From: Peter Harden [ph at hardens.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 3:53 AM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Re: Fatal Error (Hunter fn) Robert hi If you are at all familiar with Panorama's scripting language, you can sometimes write a procedure to rescue databases that fall foul of this splendidly delphic error which is like an old, if disliked friend to anyone who has used Panorama for any length of time. You may well have created a form view which is screwing the file up. Try creating a new file in the same folder as the problem file. Then create a procedure as follows: opensecret "NAME-OF-FILE" window "NAME-OF-FILE:secret" opensheet Replace NAME-OF-FILE above with your file name. If this works, you may find accessing the problem form causes the problem to repeat. In this case don't open the form -- delete it from a different one. Fingers crossed. Peter On 14 Dec 2011, at 09:38, robertmcleod wrote: I have lost access to a very important database (to me). When I try to open it, I get this message, "An error has occurred that is not your fault (Hunter fn). Press OK to return to the finder." When I click OK, Panorama completely closes, and indeed, I am back to the Finder. Is there any recovery from this error that I can use to get my database back and running please? 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Name: hardenslogo250.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 7492 bytes Desc: hardenslogo250.jpg URL: From mcleodrb at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 08:26:14 2011 From: mcleodrb at gmail.com (robertmcleod) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:11:14 +0545 Subject: Fatal Error (Hunter fn) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hurrah!! Success!! Database recovered - thankfully. Thank you both David and Peter for your help. In the end I started with David's simper approach (simple fits my ethos) and, using the Open Database Wizard, I dragged the offending database to the Data Sheet Only icon. (The other two did not work.) I got a full screen data sheet and from there was able to change the view to my Main Menu. I then saved the file, closed it and when I opened it again, all was well. Thanks again, what a relief. Bob On 14 Dec 2011, at 18:34, qna-request at provue.com wrote: > Send Qna mailing list submissions to > qna at provue.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > qna-request at provue.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > qna-owner at provue.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Qna digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Matrix refreshing (Jeff Dean) > 2. Fatal Error (Hunter fn) (robertmcleod) > 3. Re: Fatal Error (Hunter fn) (Peter Harden) > 4. RE: Fatal Error (Hunter fn) (Thompson, David) > > From: Jeff Dean > Date: 14 December 2011 11:31:18 GMT+05:45 > To: List Provue > Subject: Matrix refreshing > Reply-To: "Panorama Questions & Answers \(Discussion\)" > > > Hello, > > I have a photo matrix that displays the contents of a variable in the Matrix Data part of the dialog. When I do a find in the database or click on a different record in the data sheet the matrix redraws and jumps back to the beginning if it was scrolled down. There is nothing in the .CurrentRecord procedure that is causing this. Why would clicking on a new record in the data sheet or doing a find and going to a new record cause it to jump back to the beginning? > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > > > From: robertmcleod > Date: 14 December 2011 15:23:37 GMT+05:45 > To: qna at provue.com > Subject: Fatal Error (Hunter fn) > Reply-To: "Panorama Questions & Answers \(Discussion\)" > > > I have lost access to a very important database (to me). When I try to open it, I get this message, > "An error has occurred that is not your fault (Hunter fn). Press OK to return to the finder." > When I click OK, Panorama completely closes, and indeed, I am back to the Finder. Is there any recovery from this error that I can use to get my database back and running please? Thanks in advance. -Bob (PS - Mac OSX 10.6.8, Panorama 6.0.0) > > > > > From: Peter Harden > Date: 14 December 2011 15:38:31 GMT+05:45 > To: "Panorama Questions & Answers \(Discussion\)" > Subject: Re: Fatal Error (Hunter fn) > Reply-To: "Panorama Questions & Answers \(Discussion\)" > > > Robert hi > > If you are at all familiar with Panorama's scripting language, you can sometimes write a procedure to rescue databases that fall foul of this splendidly delphic error which is like an old, if disliked friend to anyone who has used Panorama for any length of time. > > You may well have created a form view which is screwing the file up. Try creating a new file in the same folder as the problem file. Then create a procedure as follows: > > opensecret "NAME-OF-FILE" > window "NAME-OF-FILE:secret" > opensheet > > Replace NAME-OF-FILE above with your file name. > > If this works, you may find accessing the problem form causes the problem to repeat. In this case don't open the form -- delete it from a different one. > > Fingers crossed. > Peter > > > On 14 Dec 2011, at 09:38, robertmcleod wrote: > >> I have lost access to a very important database (to me). When I try to open it, I get this message, >> "An error has occurred that is not your fault (Hunter fn). Press OK to return to the finder." >> When I click OK, Panorama completely closes, and indeed, I am back to the Finder. Is there any recovery from this error that I can use to get my database back and running please? Thanks in advance. -Bob (PS - Mac OSX 10.6.8, Panorama 6.0.0) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > > > =================================== > Check out our brilliant apps for > BlackBerry, iPhone and iPad! > =================================== > Peter Harden > Harden's Ltd > Golden Cross House > Duncannon Street > London > WC2N 4JF > > T: 020 7839 4763 > W: www.hardens.com > =================================== > Registered in England & Wales, No 3930364 > Reg. office: 14 Buckingham Street, London WC2N 6DF > =================================== > > > > > > > > > From: "Thompson, David" > Date: 14 December 2011 18:34:23 GMT+05:45 > To: "Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion)" > Subject: RE: Fatal Error (Hunter fn) > Reply-To: "Panorama Questions & Answers \(Discussion\)" > > > The Open Database wizard uses this technique when you use its Data Sheet Only feature, so even if you're not familiar with Panorama scripting, you can use the wizard. > > The Open Database wizard is on the Wizards menu under Utilities. > > Dave > From: Peter Harden [ph at hardens.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 3:53 AM > To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) > Subject: Re: Fatal Error (Hunter fn) > > Robert hi > > If you are at all familiar with Panorama's scripting language, you can sometimes write a procedure to rescue databases that fall foul of this splendidly delphic error which is like an old, if disliked friend to anyone who has used Panorama for any length of time. > > You may well have created a form view which is screwing the file up. Try creating a new file in the same folder as the problem file. Then create a procedure as follows: > > opensecret "NAME-OF-FILE" > window "NAME-OF-FILE:secret" > opensheet > > Replace NAME-OF-FILE above with your file name. > > If this works, you may find accessing the problem form causes the problem to repeat. In this case don't open the form -- delete it from a different one. > > Fingers crossed. > Peter > > > On 14 Dec 2011, at 09:38, robertmcleod wrote: > >> I have lost access to a very important database (to me). When I try to open it, I get this message, >> "An error has occurred that is not your fault (Hunter fn). Press OK to return to the finder." >> When I click OK, Panorama completely closes, and indeed, I am back to the Finder. Is there any recovery from this error that I can use to get my database back and running please? 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URL: From jim at provue.com Wed Dec 14 10:17:58 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:17:58 -0800 Subject: Fatal Error (Hunter fn) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/14/11 at 8:26 AM, mcleodrb at gmail.com (robertmcleod) wrote: >Thank you both David and Peter for your help. In the end I >started with David's simper approach (simple fits my ethos) >and, using the Open Database Wizard, I dragged the offending >database to the Data Sheet Only icon. (The other two did not >work.) I got a full screen data sheet and from there was able >to change the view to my Main Menu. I then saved the file, >closed it and when I opened it again, all was well. > >Thanks again, what a relief. You may still have a problem. Since this technique worked, most likely something in one of your forms caused Panorama to crash. You should check out your forms and see if they all work. If one of them causes a crash, you will probably need to delete it and then re-create it. It's also possible that the form might use a corrupted font, in which case the solution would be to replace the font. Jim Rea From jim at provue.com Wed Dec 14 10:19:01 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:19:01 -0800 Subject: Matrix refreshing In-Reply-To: <7D86ECBE-E315-4532-A47B-FB21A24FAAD5@mac.com> Message-ID: On 12/13/11 at 9:46 PM, jhdean at mac.com (Jeff Dean) wrote: >I have a photo matrix that displays the contents of a variable >in the Matrix Data part of the dialog. When I do a find in the >database or click on a different record in the data sheet the >matrix redraws and jumps back to the beginning if it was >scrolled down. There is nothing in the .CurrentRecord procedure >that is causing this. Why would clicking on a new record in the >data sheet or doing a find and going to a new record cause it >to jump back to the beginning? That is normal behavior if the matrix displays a field. Are you sure the formula for the Matrix does not contain a field in addition to whatever variable it is displaying? Jim From scott at prototek.net Wed Dec 14 10:27:47 2011 From: scott at prototek.net (Scott Taylor) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:27:47 -0800 Subject: Server migration not working right In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So how would permissions be messed up, I wonder? This is a clean install of Snow Leopard, fully updated, and Panorama is the only thing I have installed on it. Would Disk Utility>Repair Permissions be called for? Would any of the Permissions wizards in Panorama fix it? I have just confirmed that making a change to Internet Sharing to ?yes? (whether from ?yes? or from ?no?) always causes this error message, but the setting stays at ?yes? and I can connect using TCP/IP just fine. I assume that when I bring up the Sharing>Available Servers dialog that the Address setting it shows by default is the one that it is using. It pings fine with either. On a related subject, I tried connecting from home last night, and even though the connection appeared successful, I got this error at the end for every file I tried to load: ERROR: Sorry, file ?^1? is already in use. Try again later. Turns out that response was happening locally as well, and an Enterprise reboot cleared it. What is happening here? Our previous Enterprise installation had been working for years without having to mess with it until the computer died. Maybe I had adjusted some settings that had made it more stable, but I don?t remember what they might have been. And in response to James Cook, I am familiar with the Panorama stall if you take focus away from a working procedure, but what I described happens totally hands-off, every time ? until I changed it to TCP/IP and it started working correctly. More befuddlement that I hope you can shed light on. Scott > > From: James Rea > Subject: Re: Server migration not working right > > By the way, this error message has nothing to do with whether or > not Web Sharing is turned on. You should get a different error > message if it is not turned on. > > I am very surprised that you say that IP sharing works even > though you got this error message - it shouldn't. If the > permissions aren't correct Apache won't be able to communicate > with Panorama. If you're using the web interface you'll see a > "500 Internal Server Error" when this happens. > > Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at provue.com Wed Dec 14 11:16:06 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:16:06 -0800 Subject: Server migration not working right In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/14/11 at 10:27 AM, scott at prototek.net (Scott Taylor) wrote: >So how would permissions be messed up, I wonder? This is a clean install of >Snow Leopard, fully updated, and Panorama is the only thing I have installed >on it. Would Disk Utility>Repair Permissions be called for? Would any of >the Permissions wizards in Panorama fix it? I have just confirmed that >making a change to Internet Sharing to ?yes? (whether from ?yes? or from >?no?) always causes this error message, but the setting stays at ?yes? and I >can connect using TCP/IP just fine. I assume that when I bring up the >Sharing>Available Servers dialog that the Address setting it shows by >default is the one that it is using. It pings fine with either. If you can connect with TCP/IP then I wouldn't worry about it any further. If you want to worry further, there are no stock solutions to something like this. Repairing permissions is much more limited than people think it is, it only affects files installed with Apple's installer. It would have no effect in this case. You would need to poke around in the terminal. In this case, we're not talking just about regular permissions, the special setuuid permission bit also needs to be set and the file has to have the proper ownership. All quite complicated, that's why Panorama normally does it all for you. >On a related subject, I tried connecting from home last night, and even >though the connection appeared successful, I got this error at the end for >every file I tried to load: > >ERROR: Sorry, file ?^1? is already in use. Try again later. > >Turns out that response was happening locally as well, and an Enterprise >reboot cleared it. What is happening here? That message indicates that the OS thinks the file is already open. I don't know why it would think that, that's not something that normally occurs. >what I described happens >totally hands-off, every time ? until I changed it to TCP/IP and it started >working correctly. More befuddlement that I hope you can shed light on. Sorry, I don't have any light on this. Haven't seen that issue. >Our previous Enterprise installation had been working for years without >having to mess with it until the computer died. Maybe I had adjusted some >settings that had made it more stable, but I don?t remember what they might >have been. I wonder if it would be worthwhile to do a clean re-install of OS X. You certainly are having a bunch of weird problems. Jim From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Wed Dec 14 11:24:45 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 19:24:45 +0000 Subject: Matrix refreshing In-Reply-To: <7D86ECBE-E315-4532-A47B-FB21A24FAAD5@mac.com> References: <7D86ECBE-E315-4532-A47B-FB21A24FAAD5@mac.com> Message-ID: My database doesn't have a .CurrentRecord procedure, and the only thing in the Matrix Data formula is the name of a variable, but I was able to duplicate this behavior by checking the Sync Up/Dn checkbox in the setup dialog for the matrix. If that box is checked, uncheck it, and it should stop doing that. By checking that box, you are telling it that the display will be different for different records, and it should redraw whenever you move to a new record. Dave ________________________________________ From: Jeff Dean [jhdean at mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:46 PM To: List Provue Subject: Matrix refreshing Hello, I have a photo matrix that displays the contents of a variable in the Matrix Data part of the dialog. When I do a find in the database or click on a different record in the data sheet the matrix redraws and jumps back to the beginning if it was scrolled down. There is nothing in the .CurrentRecord procedure that is causing this. Why would clicking on a new record in the data sheet or doing a find and going to a new record cause it to jump back to the beginning? Thanks, Jeff _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From JC at JamesCook.biz Wed Dec 14 11:40:57 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:40:57 -0500 Subject: Server migration not working right In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E7C96FE-E4C9-4A6D-9626-70933F46AA5B@JamesCook.biz> >> ERROR: Sorry, file ?^1? is already in use. Try again later. >> >> Turns out that response was happening locally as well, and an Enterprise >> reboot cleared it. What is happening here? > That's completely common to re-openng files - or trying to - following a crash. Quitting Enterprise and trying again resolves it. I submitted a note about the issue on December 8 since it's a significant problem on a live server. Following a crash, files can't be re-opened when Enterprise is re-launched. 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There is also an option to send the XML as a stream to a specific TPC/IP port. I think there is also a web access page, where you can "upload" the xml file, which I think I could send to using post url? The label data will be coming from a Panorama database. Deployment for now will be from OSX. Later also from PCs. Advice? Here's an example of an xml print job from the Zebra website: From gregnilsen at me.com Wed Dec 14 22:01:35 2011 From: gregnilsen at me.com (Greg Nilsen) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:01:35 -0800 Subject: Escape Key Message-ID: As an original Pan programmer, my files are locked in Custom Mode with procedures intercepting all keyboard commands so employees can't screw things up. However, the Escape Key still switches to the design mode in a form allowing an employee to destroy that form accidentally or on purpose. Any way to disable the Escape Key permanently in anything but Author Mode? Greg Nilsen From jim at provue.com Thu Dec 15 00:26:59 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 00:26:59 -0800 Subject: FTP from Panorama with alternative language - xml label printer In-Reply-To: <2229EE09-EF0E-4609-A854-F6A17CE4905C@myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: On 12/14/11 at 7:09 PM, josh.davenport at myfairpoint.net (Josh Davenport) wrote: >I think there is also a web access page, where you can "upload" >the xml file, which I think I could send to using post url? That would be the first place I would look, as that would probably be easiest. Josh, I'm sure someone with your skills could also get the ftp to work, but that capability is not native to Panorama. Options would include: * writing a shell script * using an FTP program that can be controlled by AppleScripting * using an ftp library with python, ruby, php or perl. Jim From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Thu Dec 15 05:25:28 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:25:28 +0000 Subject: Escape Key In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you open all form windows without a tool palette, the escape key can't be used to put them in design mode. Dave ________________________________________ From: Greg Nilsen [gregnilsen at me.com] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:01 AM To: qna at provue.com Subject: Escape Key As an original Pan programmer, my files are locked in Custom Mode with procedures intercepting all keyboard commands so employees can't screw things up. However, the Escape Key still switches to the design mode in a form allowing an employee to destroy that form accidentally or on purpose. Any way to disable the Escape Key permanently in anything but Author Mode? Greg Nilsen From gary at yonaites.com Thu Dec 15 06:15:05 2011 From: gary at yonaites.com (Gary Yonaites) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:15:05 -0700 Subject: Escape Key In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26086842-9E52-41B8-8D32-9FB47B68D06C@yonaites.com> You can also do this with a HotKey: global HotKey[35] ?HotKey[35]?={nop} After running this in the .Initialize procedure the escape key is inactive on all files. If you just need it on one file use a fileglobal instead of a global. Gary gary at yonaites.com On Dec 15, 2011, at 6:25 AM, Thompson, David wrote: > If you open all form windows without a tool palette, the escape key can't be used to put them in design mode. > > Dave > ________________________________________ > From: Greg Nilsen [gregnilsen at me.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:01 AM > To: qna at provue.com > Subject: Escape Key > > As an original Pan programmer, my files are locked in Custom Mode with procedures intercepting all keyboard commands so employees can't screw things up. However, the Escape Key still switches to the design mode in a form allowing an employee to destroy that form accidentally or on purpose. Any way to disable the Escape Key permanently in anything but Author Mode? > > Greg Nilsen > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net Thu Dec 15 16:26:05 2011 From: cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:26:05 -0800 Subject: question using hide/show fields Message-ID: <4BED831C-3941-449E-9C05-0E7E94AD6F10@qwestoffice.net> Is there a way to configure the Hide/Show Fields for the data sheet via procedure? Thanks, Craig McPherson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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ShowAllFields works just fine; what about restricting fields via procedure? > On Dec 15, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Craig McPherson wrote: > >> Is there a way to configure the Hide/Show Fields for the data sheet via procedure? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Craig McPherson >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josh.davenport at myfairpoint.net Thu Dec 15 18:12:31 2011 From: josh.davenport at myfairpoint.net (Josh Davenport) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:12:31 -0500 Subject: FTP from Panorama with alternative language - xml label printer In-Reply-To: <2229EE09-EF0E-4609-A854-F6A17CE4905C@myfairpoint.net> References: <2229EE09-EF0E-4609-A854-F6A17CE4905C@myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: Follow up, now that the printer is in. curl works great for dropping onto the Zebra XML Enabled printer embedded FTP server. Nice and clean from within Panorama. The printing method bypasses all the OSX driver hassles, and is fast. It feels like a POS device, even over the network. Press the button and the printer immediately starts spitting them out. Below is the meat (small meat). Top is cut off, so this is not complete code XML file is already generated __________________________ //Tested on OSX 10.6.8 vTempXMLFilePath=appsupportpath("AEL_LIMS_Local_Files")+":Temporary Files:" filesave folder(vTempXMLFilePath), vTempXMLFileName, "TEXTttxt", vXML //Send the file to the printer - note: curl on 10.6.8 wants a posix path that doesn't escape space characters vTempXMLFilePath=vTempXMLFilePath+vTempXMLFileName vTempXMLFilePath=posixpath(vTempXMLFilePath) vTempXMLFilePath=replace(vTempXMLFilePath,"\ "," ") local vRawCurl,curlCommandLine vRawCurl=|||curl -T "#FilePath#" ftp://192.168.0.51||| vRawCurl=replace(vRawCurl,"#FilePath#",vTempXMLFilePath) curlCommandLine=applescriptstring(vRawCurl) executeapplescript "do shell script "+curlCommandLine _____________________________ Josh On Dec 14, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Josh Davenport wrote: > I just order an "XML" enabled label printer from Zebra. The jist is that you define a label in a graphics program (made for this purpose), and assign tags to certain fields on the label. You then upload the label definition to the label printer. > > Thereafter, you ftp an xml file with the label data to the printer. The printer parses the xml, matches it to the proper in memory label definition, and prints the label(s). There is also an option to send the XML as a stream to a specific TPC/IP port. I think there is also a web access page, where you can "upload" the xml file, which I think I could send to using post url? > > The label data will be coming from a Panorama database. Deployment for now will be from OSX. Later also from PCs. > > Advice? > > Here's an example of an xml print job from the Zebra website: > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Fri Dec 16 07:14:47 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:14:47 +0000 Subject: FTP from Panorama with alternative language - xml label printer In-Reply-To: References: <2229EE09-EF0E-4609-A854-F6A17CE4905C@myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: <83DECA40-1FB2-4716-BB26-5E2E185B4702@illinois.edu> > //Send the file to the printer - note: curl on 10.6.8 wants a posix path that doesn't escape space characters That's because you quoted the path. When you quote a posix path, the only characters that should be escaped are quotes and backslashes. Rather than use posixpath( and unescape the characters that shouldn't be, it might be better to use unixshellpath( and escape those that should be. vTempXMLFilePath=unixshellpath(vTempXMLFilePath) vTempXMLFilePath=replace(replace(vTempXMLFilePath,{\},{\\}),{"},{\"}) Dave From josh.davenport at myfairpoint.net Fri Dec 16 08:17:24 2011 From: josh.davenport at myfairpoint.net (Josh Davenport) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:17:24 -0500 Subject: FTP from Panorama with alternative language - xml label printer In-Reply-To: <83DECA40-1FB2-4716-BB26-5E2E185B4702@illinois.edu> References: <2229EE09-EF0E-4609-A854-F6A17CE4905C@myfairpoint.net> <83DECA40-1FB2-4716-BB26-5E2E185B4702@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Thank you, As a general rule, when long standing conventions seem to have changed, perhaps you are making a mistake. Josh On Dec 16, 2011, at 10:14 AM, Thompson, David wrote: >> //Send the file to the printer - note: curl on 10.6.8 wants a posix path that doesn't escape space characters > > That's because you quoted the path. When you quote a posix path, the only characters that should be escaped are quotes and backslashes. Rather than use posixpath( and unescape the characters that shouldn't be, it might be better to use unixshellpath( and escape those that should be. > > vTempXMLFilePath=unixshellpath(vTempXMLFilePath) > vTempXMLFilePath=replace(replace(vTempXMLFilePath,{\},{\\}),{"},{\"}) > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net Fri Dec 16 10:47:51 2011 From: cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:47:51 -0800 Subject: question using hide/show fields In-Reply-To: <701459C0-1809-4114-B7C1-DC36A8464665@yonaites.com> References: <4BED831C-3941-449E-9C05-0E7E94AD6F10@qwestoffice.net> <0584BF20-FA64-4309-8C73-FE3FE168DD33@qwestoffice.net> <701459C0-1809-4114-B7C1-DC36A8464665@yonaites.com> Message-ID: Thanks Gary. Just the ticket. Have a great holiday! Craig McPherson On Dec 15, 2011, at 5:04 PM, Gary Yonaites wrote: > Check out the HideTheseFields and HideCurrentField commands. > > Gary > gary at yonaites.com > > On Dec 15, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Craig McPherson wrote: > >> Well, duh. ShowAllFields works just fine; what about restricting fields via procedure? >> On Dec 15, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Craig McPherson wrote: >> >>> Is there a way to configure the Hide/Show Fields for the data sheet via procedure? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Craig McPherson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Qna mailing list >>> Qna at provue.com >>> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us Sun Dec 18 08:14:41 2011 From: jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:14:41 -0500 Subject: Stopping a Panorama procedure. Message-ID: Hello, I wrote a Panorama procedure that basically does the following within a loop: 1) Pulls information from a Panorama record. 2) Merges it into an email sent via AppleScript. 3) Markes the record as sent. 4) Pauses 1 second (using the Pause procedure Jim Rea posted here a while back) to keep our email server from getting overwhelmed. 5) Advances to the next record. And continues to loop. We have 220,000 people in our email database, so this can take a while. From time to time I need to stop the procedure, and usually I do this just by quitting and all is usually fine. I am wondering, though, is there a simple way to get Panorama to stop whatever it is doing? I think COMMAND-PERIOD works sometimes, but in this particular case that is not working. Any suggestions? Best wishes, - Jeff From mark at abernackie.com Sun Dec 18 16:32:10 2011 From: mark at abernackie.com (Mark Terry) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 19:32:10 -0500 Subject: Stopping a Panorama procedure. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F108EA4-7C89-45ED-813F-41B998D1040B@abernackie.com> COMMAND-PERIOD stops most of my procedures, including one very similar to what you describe (not as many records, though). Sometimes there's a slight delay. I suspect you just need to give it a couple of tries. Force-Quit seems to work better in cases where the processor is tied up, like big FormulaFills, Lookups, etc.. M On Dec 18, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Jeff Gold wrote: > Hello, > > I wrote a Panorama procedure that basically does the following > within a loop: > > 1) Pulls information from a Panorama record. > 2) Merges it into an email sent via AppleScript. > 3) Markes the record as sent. > 4) Pauses 1 second (using the Pause procedure Jim Rea posted here a > while back) to keep our email server from getting overwhelmed. > 5) Advances to the next record. > > And continues to loop. We have 220,000 people in our email > database, so this can take a while. > > From time to time I need to stop the procedure, and usually I do > this just by quitting and all is usually fine. > > I am wondering, though, is there a simple way to get Panorama to > stop whatever it is doing? > > I think COMMAND-PERIOD works sometimes, but in this particular case > that is not working. Any suggestions? > > Best wishes, > > - Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From barryk at caravanbeads.net Sun Dec 18 17:37:06 2011 From: barryk at caravanbeads.net (Barry Kahn) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 20:37:06 -0500 Subject: Stopping a Panorama procedure. In-Reply-To: <1F108EA4-7C89-45ED-813F-41B998D1040B@abernackie.com> References: <1F108EA4-7C89-45ED-813F-41B998D1040B@abernackie.com> Message-ID: I don't know how to do it, but surely there is a way to tell Panorama something like: If is detected maybe with dialog trigger? stop else Endif b > COMMAND-PERIOD stops most of my procedures, including one very similar to what you describe (not as many records, though). Sometimes there's a slight delay. I suspect you just need to give it a couple of tries. Force-Quit seems to work better in cases where the processor is tied up, like big FormulaFills, Lookups, etc.. > > M > > On Dec 18, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Jeff Gold wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I wrote a Panorama procedure that basically does the following within a loop: >> >> 1) Pulls information from a Panorama record. >> 2) Merges it into an email sent via AppleScript. >> 3) Markes the record as sent. >> 4) Pauses 1 second (using the Pause procedure Jim Rea posted here a while back) to keep our email server from getting overwhelmed. >> 5) Advances to the next record. >> >> And continues to loop. We have 220,000 people in our email database, so this can take a while. >> >> From time to time I need to stop the procedure, and usually I do this just by quitting and all is usually fine. >> >> I am wondering, though, is there a simple way to get Panorama to stop whatever it is doing? >> >> I think COMMAND-PERIOD works sometimes, but in this particular case that is not working. Any suggestions? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> - Jeff >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna Barry Kahn Caravan Beads, Inc. 915 Forest Ave Portland ME 04103 800-230-8941 fax: 207-874-2664 www.caravanbeads.net barryk at caravanbeads.net *** Please visit our bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ *** My daughter Heather's business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Sun Dec 18 20:50:07 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 04:50:07 +0000 Subject: Stopping a Panorama procedure. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think what may be going on here, is that when you hit command-period, you are most likely in the middle of a pause, and there's really nothing to stop. Then the next ExecuteEverySecond fires, and you're off and running again. A hot key that uses Undefine, to destroy the ExecuteEverySecond variable, may be the best way to stop that particular loop. You may have to hit it a few times, just in case you aren't currently paused. Dave ________________________________________ From: Jeff Gold [jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:14 AM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Re: Stopping a Panorama procedure. Hello, I wrote a Panorama procedure that basically does the following within a loop: 1) Pulls information from a Panorama record. 2) Merges it into an email sent via AppleScript. 3) Markes the record as sent. 4) Pauses 1 second (using the Pause procedure Jim Rea posted here a while back) to keep our email server from getting overwhelmed. 5) Advances to the next record. And continues to loop. We have 220,000 people in our email database, so this can take a while. >From time to time I need to stop the procedure, and usually I do this just by quitting and all is usually fine. I am wondering, though, is there a simple way to get Panorama to stop whatever it is doing? I think COMMAND-PERIOD works sometimes, but in this particular case that is not working. Any suggestions? Best wishes, - Jeff _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From kjmeyer at mac.com Sun Dec 18 21:02:31 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:02:31 +0100 Subject: Stopping a Panorama procedure. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Am 18.12.2011 um 17:14 schrieb Jeff Gold: > I wrote a Panorama procedure that basically does the following within a loop: > > 1) Pulls information from a Panorama record. > 2) Merges it into an email sent via AppleScript. > 3) Markes the record as sent. > 4) Pauses 1 second (using the Pause procedure Jim Rea posted here a while back) to keep our email server from getting overwhelmed. > 5) Advances to the next record. > > And continues to loop. We have 220,000 people in our email database, so this can take a while. But you are not telling me, that you run this procedure with ALL your records? Then the 1 second pause itself would cause that loop procedure to run for more than 61 hours. In fact, I do not like loops very much. Is there really no way to do what you want with a bulk mail? > From time to time I need to stop the procedure, and usually I do this just by quitting and all is usually fine. > > I am wondering, though, is there a simple way to get Panorama to stop whatever it is doing? > > I think COMMAND-PERIOD works sometimes, but in this particular case that is not working. Any suggestions? My best guess is that it does not work when you press cmd-period just in one of the many 1 second pauses. I would try to repeat pressing the key combination or to hold it a while until it is recognized. (I am not sure if Panorama's Time slices are able to keep record which emails have been sent in case you force quit Panorama just to stop the procedure.) From qnaweb at provue.com Mon Dec 19 12:33:42 2011 From: qnaweb at provue.com (Eric Pearson) Date: 19 Dec 2011 12:33:42 -0800 Subject: Field Character Count Message-ID: I know there has to be a simple solution to this one, but it's escaping me. How can I determine the longest item in a text field? We're running into a 254 character limit in our mail processing software and there are a couple of fields that have more characters than this... I need to know max character count in any given field... Thanks, Eric From craigmcpherson at me.com Mon Dec 19 12:35:12 2011 From: craigmcpherson at me.com (Craig) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:35:12 -0800 Subject: Field Character Count In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <043C7124-9FFA-4CD4-A071-0DE5A7B33C3C@me.com> Use the length( function. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2011, at 12:33 PM, qnaweb at provue.com (Eric Pearson) wrote: > I know there has to be a simple solution to this one, but it's escaping me. How can I determine the longest item in a text field? We're running into a 254 character limit in our mail processing software and there are a couple of fields that have more characters than this... I need to know max character count in any given field... Thanks, Eric > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From gary at yonaites.com Mon Dec 19 12:38:11 2011 From: gary at yonaites.com (Gary Yonaites) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:38:11 -0700 Subject: Field Character Count In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9816223B-5853-4382-853B-C35EE87602AC@yonaites.com> The length( function returns the number of characters in a text string. Gary gary at yonaites.com On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Eric Pearson wrote: > I know there has to be a simple solution to this one, but it's escaping me. How can I determine the longest item in a text field? We're running into a 254 character limit in our mail processing software and there are a couple of fields that have more characters than this... I need to know max character count in any given field... Thanks, Eric > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From ep101 at technaprint.com Mon Dec 19 13:21:34 2011 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:21:34 -0800 Subject: Field Character Count In-Reply-To: <9816223B-5853-4382-853B-C35EE87602AC@yonaites.com> References: <9816223B-5853-4382-853B-C35EE87602AC@yonaites.com> Message-ID: <44E3CDE2-FC61-4EBD-A8C0-75D630CC30CA@technaprint.com> I'm apparently not up on how to do this. I've set up a working column and am trying to put length(Programs authorized to teach) into the working column. It is set to numeric by the way. And it returns with Formula Fill "Missing right parenthesis or bracket." Sorry for being such a neophyte at this... Eric On Dec 19, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Gary Yonaites wrote: The length( function returns the number of characters in a text string. Gary gary at yonaites.com On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Eric Pearson wrote: > I know there has to be a simple solution to this one, but it's escaping me. How can I determine the longest item in a text field? We're running into a 254 character limit in our mail processing software and there are a couple of fields that have more characters than this... I need to know max character count in any given field... Thanks, Eric > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From kjmeyer at mac.com Mon Dec 19 13:38:45 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:38:45 +0100 Subject: Field Character Count In-Reply-To: <44E3CDE2-FC61-4EBD-A8C0-75D630CC30CA@technaprint.com> References: <9816223B-5853-4382-853B-C35EE87602AC@yonaites.com> <44E3CDE2-FC61-4EBD-A8C0-75D630CC30CA@technaprint.com> Message-ID: <8644D63E-71C4-49AF-960B-B293E3D2FD9E@mac.com> Am 19.12.2011 um 22:21 schrieb Eric Pearson: > I'm apparently not up on how to do this. I've set up a working column and am trying to put length(Programs authorized to teach) into the working column. It is set to numeric by the way. And it returns with Formula Fill "Missing right parenthesis or bracket." > > Sorry for being such a neophyte at this... Supposed, you are using Panorama 6 and your Text column is named "A", you can create a numeric column "B", click a cell in this column and make use of the menu item "Fields > Manipulate data in fields ?". In the "Manipulate data" dialog you use the option "Start with formula ?" and enter the formula: length(A) Then you press the "Apply" button. From gary at yonaites.com Mon Dec 19 13:41:18 2011 From: gary at yonaites.com (Gary Yonaites) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:41:18 -0700 Subject: Field Character Count In-Reply-To: <44E3CDE2-FC61-4EBD-A8C0-75D630CC30CA@technaprint.com> References: <9816223B-5853-4382-853B-C35EE87602AC@yonaites.com> <44E3CDE2-FC61-4EBD-A8C0-75D630CC30CA@technaprint.com> Message-ID: <43C91767-C5F2-48A0-ADBB-E29D3B956663@yonaites.com> Using Formula Fill and a numeric field for the result put in: length(?Programs authorized to teach?) Gary gary at yonaites.com On Dec 19, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Eric Pearson wrote: > I'm apparently not up on how to do this. I've set up a working column and am trying to put length(Programs authorized to teach) into the working column. It is set to numeric by the way. And it returns with Formula Fill "Missing right parenthesis or bracket." > > Sorry for being such a neophyte at this... > > Eric > > > On Dec 19, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Gary Yonaites wrote: > > The length( function returns the number of characters in a text string. > > Gary > gary at yonaites.com > > On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Eric Pearson wrote: > >> I know there has to be a simple solution to this one, but it's escaping me. How can I determine the longest item in a text field? We're running into a 254 character limit in our mail processing software and there are a couple of fields that have more characters than this... I need to know max character count in any given field... Thanks, Eric >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net Mon Dec 19 13:45:43 2011 From: cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:45:43 -0800 Subject: Field Character Count In-Reply-To: <44E3CDE2-FC61-4EBD-A8C0-75D630CC30CA@technaprint.com> References: <9816223B-5853-4382-853B-C35EE87602AC@yonaites.com> <44E3CDE2-FC61-4EBD-A8C0-75D630CC30CA@technaprint.com> Message-ID: <096ECA9B-3AD5-47A1-88EA-2BEC746281D5@qwestoffice.net> Or write a procedure like the one in the Panorama Reference: select length(MYFIELDNAME)> 250 or if you have a .ModifyRecord procedure, IF length(MYFIELDNAME)>250 beep > speak "Too long!" ENDIF Craig McPherson On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Eric Pearson wrote: > I'm apparently not up on how to do this. I've set up a working column and am trying to put length(Programs authorized to teach) into the working column. It is set to numeric by the way. And it returns with Formula Fill "Missing right parenthesis or bracket." > > Sorry for being such a neophyte at this... > > Eric > > > On Dec 19, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Gary Yonaites wrote: > > The length( function returns the number of characters in a text string. > > Gary > gary at yonaites.com > > On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Eric Pearson wrote: > >> I know there has to be a simple solution to this one, but it's escaping me. How can I determine the longest item in a text field? We're running into a 254 character limit in our mail processing software and there are a couple of fields that have more characters than this... I need to know max character count in any given field... Thanks, Eric >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From audax at wideband.net.au Mon Dec 19 14:09:27 2011 From: audax at wideband.net.au (Michael Kellock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:09:27 +1100 Subject: Field Character Count In-Reply-To: <43C91767-C5F2-48A0-ADBB-E29D3B956663@yonaites.com> References: <9816223B-5853-4382-853B-C35EE87602AC@yonaites.com> <44E3CDE2-FC61-4EBD-A8C0-75D630CC30CA@technaprint.com> <43C91767-C5F2-48A0-ADBB-E29D3B956663@yonaites.com> Message-ID: <28310293-24A7-460F-BA47-5DA9DB3619D5@wideband.net.au> And then sort the numeric field. michael On 20/12/2011, at 8:41 AM, Gary Yonaites wrote: > Using Formula Fill and a numeric field for the result put in: > > length(?Programs authorized to teach?) > > Gary > gary at yonaites.com > > On Dec 19, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Eric Pearson wrote: > >> I'm apparently not up on how to do this. I've set up a working column and am trying to put length(Programs authorized to teach) into the working column. It is set to numeric by the way. And it returns with Formula Fill "Missing right parenthesis or bracket." >> >> Sorry for being such a neophyte at this... >> >> Eric >> >> >> On Dec 19, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Gary Yonaites wrote: >> >> The length( function returns the number of characters in a text string. >> >> Gary >> gary at yonaites.com >> >> On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Eric Pearson wrote: >> >>> I know there has to be a simple solution to this one, but it's escaping me. How can I determine the longest item in a text field? We're running into a 254 character limit in our mail processing software and there are a couple of fields that have more characters than this... I need to know max character count in any given field... Thanks, Eric >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Qna mailing list >>> Qna at provue.com >>> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From ep101 at technaprint.com Mon Dec 19 15:26:37 2011 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:26:37 -0800 Subject: Field Character Count In-Reply-To: <43C91767-C5F2-48A0-ADBB-E29D3B956663@yonaites.com> References: <9816223B-5853-4382-853B-C35EE87602AC@yonaites.com> <44E3CDE2-FC61-4EBD-A8C0-75D630CC30CA@technaprint.com> <43C91767-C5F2-48A0-ADBB-E29D3B956663@yonaites.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Gary. That did the trick! E On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Gary Yonaites wrote: Using Formula Fill and a numeric field for the result put in: length(?Programs authorized to teach?) Gary gary at yonaites.com On Dec 19, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Eric Pearson wrote: > I'm apparently not up on how to do this. I've set up a working column and am trying to put length(Programs authorized to teach) into the working column. It is set to numeric by the way. And it returns with Formula Fill "Missing right parenthesis or bracket." > > Sorry for being such a neophyte at this... > > Eric > > > On Dec 19, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Gary Yonaites wrote: > > The length( function returns the number of characters in a text string. > > Gary > gary at yonaites.com > > On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Eric Pearson wrote: > >> I know there has to be a simple solution to this one, but it's escaping me. How can I determine the longest item in a text field? We're running into a 254 character limit in our mail processing software and there are a couple of fields that have more characters than this... I need to know max character count in any given field... Thanks, Eric >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From csw at me.com Mon Dec 19 20:50:55 2011 From: csw at me.com (chris watts) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:50:55 -0800 Subject: Field Character Count In-Reply-To: <043C7124-9FFA-4CD4-A071-0DE5A7B33C3C@me.com> References: <043C7124-9FFA-4CD4-A071-0DE5A7B33C3C@me.com> Message-ID: <6DD43DA4-D107-45DA-94B5-488095461DBB@me.com> Sort Down? chris On Dec 19, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Craig wrote: > Use the length( function. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 19, 2011, at 12:33 PM, qnaweb at provue.com (Eric Pearson) wrote: > >> I know there has to be a simple solution to this one, but it's escaping me. How can I determine the longest item in a text field? We're running into a 254 character limit in our mail processing software and there are a couple of fields that have more characters than this... I need to know max character count in any given field... Thanks, Eric >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From JC at JamesCook.biz Wed Dec 21 06:49:18 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:49:18 -0500 Subject: Check Open Databases Message-ID: The Check Open Databases Wizard consistently reports that some of my files have problems. Typically it reports "InValid Width:SHEEET*H*POPSIZE" with varying codes such as 3C8C I've crawled through the documentation but find nothing on this wizard or the issue. Does anyone know what this means? None of the "problem" files has ever shown any issues. James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at provue.com Wed Dec 21 15:35:49 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:35:49 -0800 Subject: Check Open Databases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This wizard crawls thru your databases looking for inconsistencies. Of course it can't catch every possible error or even most, but it does the best job it can. I developed this wizard several years ago during early beta testing of Panorama Enterprise. A couple of beta testers were reporting corrupted files (eventually the problem was tracked down to appending to shared databases, and fixed) so I built this tool to help with the debugging. In this particular case POPSIZE is an internal structure in your database that holds the size of the input box when editing. If you tab thru the data sheet you'll probably find one or more columns that have wacky input box sizes. At the moment there is no way to correct this particular problem, other than rebuilding the database from scratch (or at least deleting and recreating the affected fields). When I first built this wizard I tested every database I could get my hands on, including a number of customer submitted databases. I did find a handful of customer submitted databases that had this POPSIZE issue, so I think Panorama may have had a bug at one time that caused this corruption. None of the newer files showed this, so I think it has been fixed. Jim On 12/21/11 at 6:49 AM, JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) wrote: >The Check Open Databases Wizard consistently reports that some >of my files have problems. Typically it reports "InValid >Width:SHEEET*H*POPSIZE" with varying codes such as 3C8C > >I've crawled through the documentation but find nothing on this >wizard or the issue. > >Does anyone know what this means? > >None of the "problem" files has ever shown any issues. > > > >James Cook >JC at JamesCook.biz > >Founder of HindSight Ltd. >http://HSLtd.us > >Panorama Tutoring >Custom Panorama Applications >Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web > > > >----- >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From JC at JamesCook.biz Thu Dec 22 07:01:54 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:01:54 -0500 Subject: Check Open Databases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7D41000C-CB88-4BC8-87F9-51F65A361112@JamesCook.biz> With that information in hand I was able to locate the problems and correct them. They were mostly hidden or suppressed fields that when accessed in the DataSheet, popped up to enormous sizes. That size made it impossible to grab a corner to reduce them, but by increasing the set field width in the Design Sheet, then making it very narrow in the Data Sheet I was able to get the corners back onto my screen. Then I could correct their open sizes and all is well. In other words, jiggling the handle made it possible to fix them all. There's no sign that it ever would have been an issue as far as the integrity of the files or their data was concerned. On Dec 21, 2011, at 6:35 PM, James Rea wrote: > This wizard crawls thru your databases looking for inconsistencies. Of course it can't catch every possible error or even most, but it does the best job it can. I developed this wizard several years ago during early beta testing of Panorama Enterprise. A couple of beta testers were reporting corrupted files (eventually the problem was tracked down to appending to shared databases, and fixed) so I built this tool to help with the debugging. > > In this particular case POPSIZE is an internal structure in your database that holds the size of the input box when editing. If you tab thru the data sheet you'll probably find one or more columns that have wacky input box sizes. > > At the moment there is no way to correct this particular problem, other than rebuilding the database from scratch (or at least deleting and recreating the affected fields). > > When I first built this wizard I tested every database I could get my hands on, including a number of customer submitted databases. I did find a handful of customer submitted databases that had this POPSIZE issue, so I think Panorama may have had a bug at one time that caused this corruption. None of the newer files showed this, so I think it has been fixed. > > Jim > > > On 12/21/11 at 6:49 AM, JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) wrote: > >> The Check Open Databases Wizard consistently reports that some of my files have problems. Typically it reports "InValid Width:SHEEET*H*POPSIZE" with varying codes such as 3C8C >> >> I've crawled through the documentation but find nothing on this wizard or the issue. >> >> Does anyone know what this means? >> >> None of the "problem" files has ever shown any issues. >> >> >> >> James Cook >> JC at JamesCook.biz >> >> Founder of HindSight Ltd. >> http://HSLtd.us >> >> Panorama Tutoring >> Custom Panorama Applications >> Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web >> >> >> >> ----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From thomasfarley at comcast.net Sat Dec 24 19:52:56 2011 From: thomasfarley at comcast.net (Thomas Farley) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 21:52:56 -0600 Subject: Shell error during install / user name - possible cause Message-ID: <3D283C71-0949-4E5A-BD62-CC8C7EA4361B@comcast.net> While trying to upgrade Panorama 6.0.0_94146 to 94356 on my iMac running 10.6.8, I received a Shell Error . . . etc. I researched the QNA Archive and found some helpful advice: http://www.provue.com/cgi-bin/Panorama.cgi?qnazone~thread~25869~previous~Can't%20install The advice was to check if my user name had a space or other illegal character in it. Sure enough the Terminal indicated my user name was: Thomas Lee$ So, I moved the Panorama600_94356.dmg file from the Downloads Folder on admin user "Thomas Lee" to admin user "thomas" using the Public/Drop Box. Moving the file to the user "thomas" Desktop, Panorama600_94356.dmg was then installed with no problems. No problems noticed while running Panorama600_94356 on user "Thomas Lee." From: http://www.provue.com/cgi-bin/Panorama.cgi?qnazone~thread~25872~next~Can't%20install >The whoami is Ted Esler. Though I don't see why it would cause a problem in Panorama, I think that it must be related to this. As Robert mentioned, the system usually would convert this to tedesler when setting up the account. I've never seen a whoami name that contained spaces or upper case letters, I didn't think that was even possible. Well, I guess I am case number two. As to what could have caused it I can only think of one thing: During the migration from my old iMac to my new iMac, the Migration Assistant informed me that I would have to change the user name on my new iMac. That is, I couldn't migrate from old Mac user name "thomas" to new Mac user name "Thomas." So, I remember changing the user name on the new iMac to "Thomas Lee." I don't remember if I quit the Assistant to change the name or did it within the Assistant. But that is how and when "Thomas Lee" was created. I guess I typed the blank and capital letters in the user name although I was certainly aware not to do so. That was years ago. I don't think I have had any other problems related to the user name containing a blank or capital letters since. A check of whoami on user name "thomas" returns "thomas." "thomas" also appears in the hard drive window under Places. On user name "Thomas Lee" whoami returns "Thomas Lee" and also appears under Places. So, to be safe, I'm planning to move everything on user name "Thomas Lee" to a user name without illegal characters to avoid any future problems. Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Panorama "memory usage" indicates I'm only using 7% of available memory. If I have to parse the export what is the size/record limit? Why is there a limit? Thanks for your thoughts, Bill MacPro 8gb, 2 x 2.26 Quad core Mac OS 10.6.8 From jhdean at mac.com Tue Dec 27 10:44:06 2011 From: jhdean at mac.com (Jeff Dean) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:44:06 -0900 Subject: Moving to a cell in matrix Message-ID: <8EF3E4F4-67CA-4F77-9105-FFCE85ED3D33@mac.com> Hello, I have a single column matrix as used as a list. It has a scroll bar. It has a variable in the matrix data that is an array representing a field. When a record is selected by procedure or moving in the data sheet or with arrows in a form, I want the matrix to scroll so it shows the cell for that field which is highlighted with a flashart object displaying a color. If a record is added and it is at the end of the list it also does not show without manually scrolling the matrix. How do I tell the matrix to scroll to the point where the cell for the current record is visible even when it is above or below the viewable cells in the matrix? Thanks, Jeff From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Tue Dec 27 11:56:53 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:56:53 +0000 Subject: Text export error- file too large In-Reply-To: <0B65BD7D-6A64-45F5-8A21-D5F53958A806@comcast.net> References: <0B65BD7D-6A64-45F5-8A21-D5F53958A806@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'm not sure what the error message is all about. The wizard might be running up against an expression stack overflow while trying to create a preview or something. You could try using Save As... from the File menu and save as text, or you could use an Export command in a procedure, but 10 Mb shouldn't be too large to export. Dave ________________________________________ From: Delphi Lauer [delphilauer at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:41 PM To: qna at provue.com Subject: Text export error- file too large I have to export my database to excel for some one else's use. My database is 37 columns by 35,000 records. The export wizard reports the file is to large to export. Is this a ram issue (I don't think so, I have 8 gb)? The file it self is under 10 meg. Panorama "memory usage" indicates I'm only using 7% of available memory. If I have to parse the export what is the size/record limit? Why is there a limit? Thanks for your thoughts, Bill MacPro 8gb, 2 x 2.26 Quad core Mac OS 10.6.8 _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From pchance at quickdata.com Tue Dec 27 12:14:54 2011 From: pchance at quickdata.com (pchance at quickdata.com) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:14:54 -0600 Subject: Records vanished In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <086a5998bf6c6d5038e9a49f89cc4b9c.squirrel@www10.qth.com> Leo, Sorry for the obvious question but did the Record Count at the bottom of the window confirm that the total number of rocords had changed. It is not unheard of that a database is left in some selection state where the total number of "displayed" records is not what is expected because all were not selected. Paul QuickData > Thank God for backups! Somehow between this morning and this afternoon > over 1500 records simply vanished from a database. They were simply gone > and I was the onlyone to use it and I certainly did not delete them. Has > anyone else experienced this phenomena? > > Leo > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Tue Dec 27 12:40:41 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:40:41 +0000 Subject: Moving to a cell in matrix In-Reply-To: <8EF3E4F4-67CA-4F77-9105-FFCE85ED3D33@mac.com> References: <8EF3E4F4-67CA-4F77-9105-FFCE85ED3D33@mac.com> Message-ID: You would first need to find out which row that was. You could probably get that by doing an arraysearch( on the array you are using for the matrix data. Once you have that, you could use the MatixAutoScroll custom statement to make that row visible. Dave ________________________________________ From: Jeff Dean [jhdean at mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:44 PM To: List Provue Subject: Moving to a cell in matrix Hello, I have a single column matrix as used as a list. It has a scroll bar. It has a variable in the matrix data that is an array representing a field. When a record is selected by procedure or moving in the data sheet or with arrows in a form, I want the matrix to scroll so it shows the cell for that field which is highlighted with a flashart object displaying a color. If a record is added and it is at the end of the list it also does not show without manually scrolling the matrix. How do I tell the matrix to scroll to the point where the cell for the current record is visible even when it is above or below the viewable cells in the matrix? Thanks, Jeff _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From trackmanpete at comcast.net Tue Dec 27 18:22:24 2011 From: trackmanpete at comcast.net (Pete Schuder) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 21:22:24 -0500 Subject: Printing DataSheet Message-ID: <4EFA7D60.7020807@comcast.net> Could someone point me in the direction where I can print lines between records using the datasheet as my printing form? Or is it even possible. My memory isn't functioning on that topic and I can't seem to locate it in the help files. Thanks, Pete Schuder From jim at provue.com Wed Dec 28 09:03:44 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 09:03:44 -0800 Subject: Printing DataSheet In-Reply-To: <4EFA7D60.7020807@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 12/27/11 at 6:22 PM, trackmanpete at comcast.net (Pete Schuder) wrote: >Could someone point me in the direction where I can print lines >between records using the datasheet as my printing form? Or is >it even possible. It is not possible. You will have to create a form to customize the print layout like this. Jim Rea From jim at provue.com Wed Dec 28 09:07:55 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 09:07:55 -0800 Subject: Appcuity for iTunes App Store ? In-Reply-To: <37830.1324661016@oikia-inc.com> Message-ID: On 12/23/11 at 9:23 AM, vaugn at oikia-inc.com wrote: >Appcuity works great for the Mac AppStore, but what about the >iTunes App Store (iPad, iPhone, iPod) ? This is perhaps the most often asked question by Appcuity users. Even John Gruber (Daring Fireball) asked about it. The problem is that while there are currently about 10,000 Mac Apps, there are over half a million iOS apps. It's not possible to simply take the same Appcuity algorithms and apply them to such a large data set. Another problem is that Appcuity is Mac only, and many iOS users aren't Mac users. Probably the best bet would be to make a version of Appcuity that ran on iOS itself, a non-trivial exercise. These problems aren't necessarily insurmountable, but they do mean that a version of Appcuity that handles iOS apps isn't going to be available in the very near future. Possibly the farther out future, though -- we'll see. Jim Rea From samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net Wed Dec 28 10:00:05 2011 From: samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net (Sam Rutherford) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:00:05 -0600 Subject: Printing DataSheet In-Reply-To: <4EFA7D60.7020807@comcast.net> References: <4EFA7D60.7020807@comcast.net> Message-ID: On the off chance that you're a quatk user, what I do is export tagged text. '@stylename:' + exportline() + ? ________________________________________________________________ On Dec 27, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Pete Schuder wrote: > Could someone point me in the direction where I can print lines between records using the datasheet as my printing form? Or is it even possible. My memory isn't functioning on that topic and I can't seem to locate it in the help files. > > Thanks, > > Pete Schuder > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > ________________________________________________________________ Sam Rutherford Music City Metals 615/255-4481 samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net From trackmanpete at comcast.net Wed Dec 28 10:14:40 2011 From: trackmanpete at comcast.net (Pete Schuder) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:14:40 -0500 Subject: Printing DataSheet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EFB5C90.6010209@comcast.net> Thanks, I ended up doing that. I just thought there might be a way to do it, similar to excel where there used to be a check box for lines or no lines. It was an attempt for a quick output without going into forms, but staying in the data sheet. Pete Schuder On 12/28/11 12:03 PM, James Rea wrote: > On 12/27/11 at 6:22 PM, trackmanpete at comcast.net (Pete Schuder) wrote: > >> Could someone point me in the direction where I can print lines >> between records using the datasheet as my printing form? Or is it >> even possible. > > It is not possible. You will have to create a form to customize the > print layout like this. > > Jim Rea > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From leo at leocerruti.com Wed Dec 28 10:24:17 2011 From: leo at leocerruti.com (Leo Cerruti) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:24:17 -0500 Subject: Qna Digest, Vol 48, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good question but yes, the record and selected count were the same, the records were simply gone. I do recall some postings here where others had a similar problem. Leo _ On Dec 28, 2011, at 1:14 PM, qna-request at provue.com wrote: > Leo, > Sorry for the obvious question but did the Record Count at the bottom of > the window confirm that the total number of rocords had changed. > > It is not unheard of that a database is left in some selection state where > the total number of "displayed" records is not what is expected because > all were not selected. > > Paul > QuickData > >> Thank God for backups! Somehow between this morning and this afternoon >> over 1500 records simply vanished from a database. They were simply gone >> and I was the onlyone to use it and I certainly did not delete them. Has >> anyone else experienced this phenomena? >> >> Leo >> >> _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhdean at mac.com Wed Dec 28 16:13:44 2011 From: jhdean at mac.com (Jeff Dean) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:13:44 -0900 Subject: Moving to a cell in matrix In-Reply-To: References: <8EF3E4F4-67CA-4F77-9105-FFCE85ED3D33@mac.com> Message-ID: <8EBABE77-213D-4628-BEB1-B2F5310F8172@mac.com> Thanks David, That worked. Jeff On Dec 27, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Thompson, David wrote: > You would first need to find out which row that was. You could probably get that by doing an arraysearch( on the array you are using for the matrix data. Once you have that, you could use the MatixAutoScroll custom statement to make that row visible. > > Dave > ________________________________________ > From: Jeff Dean [jhdean at mac.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:44 PM > To: List Provue > Subject: Moving to a cell in matrix > > Hello, > > I have a single column matrix as used as a list. It has a scroll bar. It has a variable in the matrix data that is an array representing a field. When a record is selected by procedure or moving in the data sheet or with arrows in a form, I want the matrix to scroll so it shows the cell for that field which is highlighted with a flashart object displaying a color. If a record is added and it is at the end of the list it also does not show without manually scrolling the matrix. > > How do I tell the matrix to scroll to the point where the cell for the current record is visible even when it is above or below the viewable cells in the matrix? > > Thanks, > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From m.muetzelfeldt at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 29 04:11:42 2011 From: m.muetzelfeldt at optusnet.com.au (Michael Muetzelfeldt) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 23:11:42 +1100 Subject: Database design & templates Message-ID: This forum seems focussed on developer issues, so perhaps I should be elsewhere -- but where? I'm not a developer, but need to set up a business-specific relational database. Can't find anything in the Panorama documentation about issues that crop up in the general material on this -- eg is it necessary to design spreadsheets so that they satisfy the requirements of the 3 Normal Forms? Have I missed the Panorama documentation that fills the gap between basic set-up descriptions and detailed and advanced development tools? I was hoping that there would be a collection of Panorama templates that I could play with and adapt, like with some other Mac database software. Is there a Panorama template collection I can explore? thanks Michael From craigmcpherson at me.com Thu Dec 29 11:39:52 2011 From: craigmcpherson at me.com (Craig) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:39:52 -0800 Subject: Database design & templates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you tried the examples launcher? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 29, 2011, at 4:11 AM, Michael Muetzelfeldt wrote: > This forum seems focussed on developer issues, so perhaps I should be elsewhere -- but where? > > I'm not a developer, but need to set up a business-specific relational database. Can't find anything in the Panorama documentation about issues that crop up in the general material on this -- eg is it necessary to design spreadsheets so that they satisfy the requirements of the 3 Normal Forms? Have I missed the Panorama documentation that fills the gap between basic set-up descriptions and detailed and advanced development tools? > > I was hoping that there would be a collection of Panorama templates that I could play with and adapt, like with some other Mac database software. Is there a Panorama template collection I can explore? > > thanks > Michael > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net Thu Dec 29 12:35:35 2011 From: cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:35:35 -0800 Subject: formula error in examples database Message-ID: <54743029-1D99-44DF-8896-810D36B917E7@qwestoffice.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PastedGraphic-2.png Type: image/png Size: 12962 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- missing left parens........ Craig McPherson From mcorrell at memphisbusiness.com Thu Dec 29 15:49:51 2011 From: mcorrell at memphisbusiness.com (Michael Correll) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:49:51 -0600 Subject: Selecting & Exporting Specific Array Elements? Message-ID: Is there a way to export specific (criteria based) elements from an array? For example, I have a Field containing arrays of Titles. I would like to export (either to a file or a temporary array for further processing) specific Titles such as those containing "VP". In some records, the Title field may contain several instances of "VP" -- Sr. VP Sales, VP IT, Exec VP, etc -- along with other Titles. Is there a formula calculation that could handle this and export from the array in the Title Field all instances of "VP" for the selected group of records? Thanks for any ideas....... MC -- Michael Correll From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Thu Dec 29 16:36:26 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 00:36:26 +0000 Subject: Selecting & Exporting Specific Array Elements? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm not sure if you want a single array, or if you want to export record by record. Assuming you want a single array, and the separator is the carriage return, it could go something like this. Local tempArray ArraySelectedBuild tempArray,"",cr(),Title ArrayFilter tempArray,tempArray,cr(),?(import() MatchExact "*VP*",import(),"") tempArray=arraystrip(tempArray,cr()) FileSave dbinfo("folder",""),"VP.txt","",tempArray I'm not on a computer with Panorama right now, so I can't guarantee that I got the syntax right for every statement above, but that's the basic technique. Make an array containing all of them. Filter out those that don't contain "VP" and do a FileSave to export the array to a file. Dave ________________________________________ From: Michael Correll [mcorrell at memphisbusiness.com] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 5:49 PM To: Panorama Questions & Answers ((Discussion)) Subject: Selecting & Exporting Specific Array Elements? Is there a way to export specific (criteria based) elements from an array? For example, I have a Field containing arrays of Titles. I would like to export (either to a file or a temporary array for further processing) specific Titles such as those containing "VP". In some records, the Title field may contain several instances of "VP" -- Sr. VP Sales, VP IT, Exec VP, etc -- along with other Titles. Is there a formula calculation that could handle this and export from the array in the Title Field all instances of "VP" for the selected group of records? Thanks for any ideas....... MC -- Michael Correll _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From mcorrell at memphisbusiness.com Thu Dec 29 17:06:25 2011 From: mcorrell at memphisbusiness.com (Michael Correll) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 19:06:25 -0600 Subject: Selecting & Exporting Specific Array Elements? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Dave. ?(import() MatchExact "*VP*",import(),"") was the key. That simple formula was what was escaping me. Doh! MC. -- Michael Correll On Dec 29, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Thompson, David wrote: > I'm not sure if you want a single array, or if you want to export > record by record. Assuming you want a single array, and the > separator is the carriage return, it could go something like this. > > Local tempArray > ArraySelectedBuild tempArray,"",cr(),Title > ArrayFilter tempArray,tempArray,cr(),?(import() MatchExact > "*VP*",import(),"") > tempArray=arraystrip(tempArray,cr()) > FileSave dbinfo("folder",""),"VP.txt","",tempArray > > I'm not on a computer with Panorama right now, so I can't guarantee > that I got the syntax right for every statement above, but that's > the basic technique. Make an array containing all of them. Filter > out those that don't contain "VP" and do a FileSave to export the > array to a file. > > Dave From sklein at ksiarchitects.com Thu Dec 29 17:22:40 2011 From: sklein at ksiarchitects.com (Steven M, Klein) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:22:40 -0800 Subject: Database design & templates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EFD1260.6020500@ksiarchitects.com> I'd like to add my 'good idea' to this thread... and- Happy New Year to everyone on this list. I mostly lurk in the background but find the knowledge, wisdom, and opinions invaluable. Steven Klein On 12/29/11 4:11 AM, Michael Muetzelfeldt wrote: > This forum seems focussed on developer issues, so perhaps I should be elsewhere -- but where? > > I'm not a developer, but need to set up a business-specific relational database. Can't find anything in the Panorama documentation about issues that crop up in the general material on this -- eg is it necessary to design spreadsheets so that they satisfy the requirements of the 3 Normal Forms? Have I missed the Panorama documentation that fills the gap between basic set-up descriptions and detailed and advanced development tools? > > I was hoping that there would be a collection of Panorama templates that I could play with and adapt, like with some other Mac database software. Is there a Panorama template collection I can explore? > > thanks > Michael > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From jim at provue.com Fri Dec 30 23:16:30 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:16:30 -0800 Subject: formula error in examples database In-Reply-To: <54743029-1D99-44DF-8896-810D36B917E7@qwestoffice.net> Message-ID: On 12/29/11 at 12:35 PM, cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) wrote: >missing left parens........ Look at the title of that procedure (Grammar Error) ... I'm pretty sure that error was intentional! Jim From mark at abernackie.com Sat Dec 31 06:06:35 2011 From: mark at abernackie.com (Mark Terry) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:06:35 -0500 Subject: Database design & templates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F7F455F-7DDE-4621-BB72-5BC3FFACC5ED@abernackie.com> Panorama won't care, if that's what you're asking. It sounds like you're leaning towards a classic relational database design. Much has been written and discussed on this forum on that topic. You might try a search on "relational" in the QNA archives to catch up. Suffice it to say here that one of the beauties of Panorama is that it gives you many ways to maximize the performance of your database structure, depending on your objectives. It's a great flat file. It can be a great set of linked tables. If you favor the relational setup, it allows you to bend the rules a bit, to accommodate your setup, entry or reporting preferences. To learn more you could research the features and benefits of line items, lookups, arrays and tags, in that order. They are all very powerful, and useful in their own way. And there are probably more I can't think of right now. ;) M On Dec 29, 2011, at 7:11 AM, Michael Muetzelfeldt wrote: > is it necessary to design spreadsheets so that they satisfy the > requirements of the 3 Normal Forms? From cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net Sat Dec 31 09:26:07 2011 From: cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:26:07 -0800 Subject: formula error in examples database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B7F06D4-8A42-4951-A541-C42F030071D8@qwestoffice.net> duh! ;-) Happy new year! Craig McPherson On Dec 30, 2011, at 11:16 PM, James Rea wrote: > On 12/29/11 at 12:35 PM, cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) wrote: > >> missing left parens........ > > Look at the title of that procedure (Grammar Error) ... I'm pretty sure that error was intentional! > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna