From steve at tlwsolutions.com Sat Oct 1 06:34:46 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 09:34:46 -0400 Subject: Live Clairvoyance Message-ID: Hello, Is there a way, using Live Clairvoyance, to sort the result by a particular element in the array? I have an array built using Live Clairvoyance. The result is Date?EstimateNumber?Customer?Product etc. I would like to have the array sorted by Date with the most recent at the top. As the default sort. I would also like to be able to sort the result by EstimateNumber, Customer or Product depending on which button is pressed. How can I do this? Thanks Steve Middleton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks in Advance John From montanaproducts at usamedia.tv Sun Oct 2 07:06:57 2011 From: montanaproducts at usamedia.tv (John Schubert) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 07:06:57 -0700 Subject: Update Account Description after Using Search & Replace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75A4EAA6-3DCB-4B95-8187-5FBF5F08EA02@usamedia.tv> Well I hate to answer my own question but I took the Pano book "Wizards & Demos" with me while my wife went shopping. After 30 mins of quick scanning I discovered the "Run Automatic Calculations Wizard". Using "Current Field" the program only took about 5 seconds to update 60K records. This does exactly what I need. I did however have a problem on my first try. I moved to the top of the database but I didn't highlight the field that I wanted to update, instead relying on the update "All Fields" button. The wizard did not update any fields at all but went into a loop with 95% CPU use. I let it go overnight thinking either work was being done or the loop would end. Control could not be regained through the program and I had to "Force Quit". When I tried it again I selected the field to update and chose "Current Field". The Panorama Handbook p. 316 says "If the current field doesn?t have a calculation set up an alert message will appear"; this didn't happen. I didn't use the wizard correctly but it shouldn't have looped either. That said it's a great tool and did the job I needed. So think of shopping expeditions as a good time to update your knowledge of Panorama except for the bill. John On Oct 1, 2011, at 10:55 AM, John Schubert wrote: > I often change an customer or vendor account number using search & replace. This is fast and easy. The problem is the account description is a lookup using the account number. If I'm changing just a few records I tab between the account number and the description and the description is updated. When the search involves 100's of records I need a procedure or function that will update the account description automatically. > > Thanks in Advance > > John > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at tlwsolutions.com Mon Oct 3 06:35:13 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:35:13 -0400 Subject: Live Clairvoyance Message-ID: Hello, Is there a way, using Live Clairvoyance, to sort the result by a particular element in the array? I have an array built using Live Clairvoyance. The result is Date?EstimateNumber?Customer?Product etc. I would like to have the array sorted by Date with the most recent at the top. As the default sort. I would also like to be able to sort the result by EstimateNumber, Customer or Product depending on which button is pressed. How can I do this? Thanks Steve Middleton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JC at JamesCook.biz Tue Oct 4 07:19:04 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:19:04 -0400 Subject: PHP Line Break Info Message-ID: In order to save anyone else some grief, I've learned a very important bit of information about PHP while working on a Panorama project. Many PHP scripts require you to designate line breaks. Just about everything you read on line or in manuals indicates the use of \r\n\ for a crlf and \n for a line feed. The problem is that UNIX, therefore Mac OS X, doesn't read the \r\n the same way as Windows and treats it as two line breaks. I'm sure Windows is being its maverick self here, but there are more people using Windows so most documentation acts as if that's all there is. Many PHP scripts break badly when using \r\n on a Mac. Fortunately PHP has an automatic platform converter that unfortunately doesn't have enough recognition. "PHP_EOL", without the quotes, automatically adds the correct end of line characters for the platform on PHP 4.3.10 or later. Anyone working with PHP, especially for web use with Panorama, is welcome to contact me for any further info about it. The PHP portions of my brain have been greatly enhanced recently through force feeding. James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web From robert at ameeti.net Tue Oct 4 13:47:59 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:47:59 -0700 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: References: <771F5AAE-9E44-4A86-B30D-2E2A5C9F63D9@me.com> Message-ID: I want Cocoa because I believe it will allow us to stop managing memory. Managing memory went away for most every application in OS X many, many years ago but remains the users responsibility still today when using Panorama. This is ridiculous. I believe I have lost several days of work, in my recent bout with memory management. I believe my clients have lost several days of irreplaceable work due to memory management. This should not be. Memory management should not be a concern of the user or developer. Using the tools of old that Panorama still uses mandates that we manage memory. This is wrong, wrong, wrong. At 10:40 PM -0700, 9/29/11, Robert Ameeti wrote: >At 7:16 PM -0700, 9/29/11, Chris Watts wrote: > >>And how is funnel(thetext,1,3,2) any less confusing than MyText[1,3] ? > >Of course it is no less 'confusing' but let's >not continue down this path of text funnels >going away or even changing. They would not >change at all in a Cocoa version. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist The modem is the message. <><><><><><><><><><><><> From robert at ameeti.net Tue Oct 4 14:32:53 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:32:53 -0700 Subject: Managing Memory - ExpressionStackSize Message-ID: Since we have to manage memory, more details are needed on this subject. Argh. The Panorama Reference states: "... that increasing this allocation reduces the amount of memory available for other applications." (Once we now recognize that it is on our shoulders to manage memory, we then continue...) What if there is insufficient Free Memory when Panorama starts up? Does Panorama steal memory from other applications and actually get all that we ask for? The Activity Monitor will show us how much Free Memory is available at any time but I am not seeing a 1:1 decrease in the amount of Free Memory when I increase the ExpressionStackSize. Is Panorama truly getting what I ask for? is Panorama having to have its memory get swapped out? Is this a problem? The ExtendedExpressionStack statement says that it does not apply to 'formulas that are embedded in form objects." Hmmm. Does that mean that formulas embedded in form objects automatically get all the memory they need? Or can they just not get what they need? And what happens when they don't get what they need? All these very important questions that just should not have to be but alas, they may fix a very big problem. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. <><><><><><><><><><><><> From robert at ameeti.net Tue Oct 4 15:09:53 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 15:09:53 -0700 Subject: Panorama seems running out of memory while running In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>2) Is there a way to monitor Panorama's >>available memory so I can know when it is about >>to crash? > >No, because there is no separate Panorama memory >-- it's pulling from the general system pool. > >Jim Rea And if the General System Pool does not have Free Memory? What happens if Panorama's allocated memory is being paged out? Is Panorama subject to crashes if it does not get all that it wants when it wants it? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be understood by everyone, something that no one ever knew before. But in poetry, it's the exact opposite. -- Paul Dirac <><><><><><><><><><><><> From qnaweb at provue.com Tue Oct 4 17:38:31 2011 From: qnaweb at provue.com (Ken Kam) Date: 4 Oct 2011 17:38:31 -0700 Subject: Importing Textfile Message-ID: When i import a textfile produced on WinXP to Panorama v6 on a Mac I get unexpected results. When I import numberic data into a field defined as Text, the import appears to look fine. However, when i change the field definition to Float, the values bear no obvious relationship to the original Text value. Numbers that appear as "100" as Text, will show as 3 when the field is converted to numeric float. Any ideas about what is going on? From jim at provue.com Tue Oct 4 17:41:13 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 17:41:13 -0700 Subject: Managing Memory - ExpressionStackSize In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/4/11 at 1:47 PM, robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) wrote: >I want Cocoa because I believe it will allow us to stop managing memory. Cocoa has nothing to do with this. A Cocoa version of Panorama would probably manage memory the same way the current version does. >Memory management should not be a concern of the user or developer. For 99.999% of Panorama users this is indeed the case. Part of the reason Panorama is so fast is that memory management is not 100% automatic. Try opening a spreadsheet in Numbers, for example, vs. the same data in Panorama, the speed difference is astounding. But you don't get something for nothing. >What if there is insufficient Free Memory when Panorama starts up? Does Panorama steal memory from other applications and actually get all that we ask for? No. Panorama will reduce the allocation it requests until the system allows the request. On Mac OS X or Windows, however, this will almost never happen, as only virtual memory is allocated. If your system is so busy that virtual memory is unavailable then your system performance will be very poor and most likely you'll see a general kernel panic soon, no matter what programs are running. >The ExtendedExpressionStack statement First of all, I would avoid this statement. Use the ExpressionStackSize statement instead. When Panorama first launches, it grabs a chunk of memory for databases to use. Usually only part of this memory is actually used. Until Panorama 5.5, Panorama would use the leftover memory in this chunk for formula calculations. Basically formulas would share the same memory the databases were using. Usually this worked fine, but there were some problems when Panorama 5.5 added the call( function. In some cases, this sharing of memory caused crashes and corrupted memory. So starting with Panorama 5.5, Panorama now allocates a separate 5 megabyte buffer for formulas. Unless you are manipulating large files with fileload( and filesave, this is way more than enough. The ExtendedExpressionStack statement tells Panorama to go back to the "shared" memory approach used in earlier versions. There were a few users that took advantage of the potentially huge amounts of memory available for formulas with this shared scheme -- this statement allows them to add 2 lines of code to make their old code work with the new system. However, I recommend avoiding the ExtendedExpressionStack statement. Instead, use ExpressionStackSize, which permanently allocates a larger buffer (or at least it is permanent until you change it again.) With the ExpressionStackSize statement the database memory is not shared with the formula buffer. >The Activity Monitor will show us how much Free Memory is available at any time but I am not seeing a 1:1 decrease in the amount of Free Memory when I increase the ExpressionStackSize. First of all, the Activity Monitor is never going to show a 100% accurate picture. Secondly, when you increase the ExpressionStack, the system only allocates virtual memory. You are unlikely to actually use all of the physical memory associated with the buffer. >The ExtendedExpressionStack statement says that it does not apply to 'formulas that are embedded in form objects." Hmmm. Does that mean that formulas embedded in form objects automatically get all the memory they need? No. They will always use the separate buffer, which defaults to 5 meg but can be increased with the ExpressionStackSize statement. >Or can they just not get what they need? And what happens when they don't get what they need? There will be a formula error - I think "stack overflow". Should not crash. >more details are needed on this subject See page 423-424 of the Formulas & Programming Handbook, "Reading Really Big Data Files" Robert, let me anticipate your next post saying that all of this should be taken care of automatically. I wave my magic wand and state that none of this is now relevant -- 5 meg is more than plenty for the result of any formula and you are henceforth limited to this amount. I wonder what happens if you try to use a 25 megabyte text file in a formula in FileMaker, Numbers or Excel. Jim Rea From nacnuddd at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 21:21:50 2011 From: nacnuddd at gmail.com (David Duncan) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:21:50 +1100 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: References: <771F5AAE-9E44-4A86-B30D-2E2A5C9F63D9@me.com> Message-ID: How enjoyable it has been following this thread, with fascinating contributions from so many familiar names and delightful excursions into Panorama arcana such as text funnels and memory management. Honestly, sometimes QNA makes my day. For myself, I do not have the time or inclination to update the many files my business uses regularly. Some of these files have dozens of forms and dozens of procedures. The prospect of having to revisit every form and every procedure of every file, and go through the purgatory of debugging, is not remotely appealing. Robert's point -- that a Carbon version would be an opportunity to rewrite older files created when one's grasp of Panorama was poorer -- while true, does not attract me as these files are already working, now, today, and pay a regular dividend for my original and subsequent investments with no additional work required. I do not find the graphic capabilities very limiting. The best interface and output design is usually simple (my heroes being Apple and Tufte) and Panorama readily achieves simplicity. Considering samples of Panorama forms that I have seen, their designers IMO often yield to the temptation of using too many colours, fonts, graphics, elements (present company excepted, naturally). This suggests to me that Panorama may already be more than powerful enough graphically for non-professional designers (which I imagine includes virtually all of us listers). James Cook writes: > Rather than new features, my preference would be in seeing the existing features and interface perfected. Panorama has almost everything I can think of in it already - though there are always a few wish list items. Clean and reliable performance with a well polished interface is a far bigger issue in my opinion whether that involves Cocoa or not. Peter Harden writes: >Amen to that x 100. In recent times development effort has sometimes seemed to go on adding more bells and whistles. As a user of 20 years standing, all I really want is far fewer quits, no more errors that are "not my fault", no more cruddy display problems, no more funny synch issues. IMHO the product would be perfect if it just reliably did what it now so-nearly-but-not-quite does. Then I could even unreservedly recommend it to other people. I completely agree with these gentlemen. I add: The v.6 procedure contextual window and in particular its programming assistant are wonderful. I use them every day. I much prefer the classic menus. The Error Wizard: this tool was so great when it was introduced, but it is now often useless in my experience. Please fix it, please! Please extend text smoothing to the Text Editor and Push Button SOs. David Duncan From nacnuddd at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 21:43:40 2011 From: nacnuddd at gmail.com (David Duncan) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:43:40 +1100 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: References: <771F5AAE-9E44-4A86-B30D-2E2A5C9F63D9@me.com> Message-ID: Whoops. I meant to type "Cocoa" in this part of my post and "Carbon" came out. Robert's point -- that a Carbon version would be an opportunity to rewrite older files created when one's grasp of Panorama was poorer -- while true? David From mark at abernackie.com Wed Oct 5 05:05:51 2011 From: mark at abernackie.com (Mark Terry) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 08:05:51 -0400 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> OK. I went back and looked (9/8 under " Re: Disk Errors (found the issue and discovered a problem with the 'MakeFolder')") Here's the list: > P.S. Here is a list of possible areas of incompatibility -- this is > not a comprehensive list, just off the top of my head: > > * file/folder handling (as mentioned above) > * form layout (might need some tweaking) > * resources (especially menu resources, which would probably be > eliminated) > * classic menus & dialogs > * word processor objects might lose all formatting > * file format compatibility (once converted to Panorama X databases > probably could not be shared with Panorama 6 or earlier). > * various statements and functions that are still based on OS 9 API's. Could you expand on that, please? Example: * file/folder handling - would allow 32+ characters in the name. That's an advantage. It's implied that the functions and statements would need to change. Fair enough, but would there be any additional expansion or loss of functionality vs. the present? (Anything you can do now that you wouldn't be able to do under Cocoa, or vice-versa?) * form layout - per Alfred's post, would gains in graphics, font handling, look and feel, etc. be only minimal? * resources (especially menu resources, which would probably be eliminated). Would they be replaced? Would the replacement be an improvement? * classic menus & dialogs. I assume you mean the "classic", as in Pan 5.5 and below, would be lost, but I assume they would be replaced. (?) What, if any, functionality would be lost? I assume you could still build a functional dialog... Do you refer to the Customdialog and Alert statements? What, if any, functionality might be gained? * word processor objects might lose all formatting. Any chance that the current WPSO could be replaced/supplemented with a XML-based word processor? This would be much more Pan-friendly anyway. * file format compatibility (once converted to Panorama X databases probably could not be shared with Panorama 6 or earlier). Surely a routine could be developed for Pan 6 or less to view or import Pan X db's? * various statements and functions that are still based on OS 9 API's. Which ones are those, and, depending on the list, could they be replaced or duplicated in pan X? Just curious. ;) M On Sep 29, 2011, at 7:52 PM, James Rea wrote: > On 9/29/11 at 12:02 PM, alfred at seqair.com (Alfred Scott) wrote: > >> Jim gave a good list of possible incompatibilities and problems. > > Thanks for pointing that out, Alfred. In today's version of this > thread there has been a lot of wild speculation about what a Cocoa > version might mean. I highly recommend going back to my original > post to review what I actually think the most likely tradeoffs would > be. > > Jim Rea > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From steve at tlwsolutions.com Wed Oct 5 05:18:56 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 08:18:56 -0400 Subject: Live Clairvoyance Message-ID: Hello, Sorry for sending this again, but I really need some help. Is there a way, using Live Clairvoyance, to sort the result by a particular element in the array? I have an array built using Live Clairvoyance. The result is Date?EstimateNumber?Customer?Product etc. I would like to have the array sorted by Date with the most recent at the top. As the default sort. I would also like to be able to sort the result by EstimateNumber, Customer or Product depending on which button is pressed. How can I do this? Thanks Steve Middleton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JC at JamesCook.biz Wed Oct 5 05:29:53 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 08:29:53 -0400 Subject: Live Clairvoyance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B162AD0-18FE-4182-9623-C1F5F4D379B4@JamesCook.biz> I haven't tested it in your scenario, but the first thing I'd try is arraysort or arraymultisort On Oct 5, 2011, at 8:18 AM, steve middleton wrote: > > Hello, > > Sorry for sending this again, but I really need some help. > > > Is there a way, using Live Clairvoyance, to sort the result by a particular element in the array? > > I have an array built using Live Clairvoyance. The result is > > Date?EstimateNumber?Customer?Product etc. > > I would like to have the array sorted by Date with the most recent at the top. As the default sort. > > I would also like to be able to sort the result by EstimateNumber, Customer or Product depending on which button is pressed. > > How can I do this? > > Thanks > > Steve Middleton > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfred at seqair.com Wed Oct 5 14:02:15 2011 From: alfred at seqair.com (Alfred Scott) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 17:02:15 -0400 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> Message-ID: For those of you who continue to be worked up about Cocoa, let me throw out a few things. First look up Cocoa in Wikipedia with a Google search for "Cocoa (API)". It's very difficult to describe object programming in words that are understandable by normal people, but Cocoa is a huge, highly advanced way of creating programs. However, Cocoa has many components that can be used on their own without turning the program into a Cocoa program. Here's a simple example: From the beginning of the Mac, cursors have been something stored in resource files and they were black-and-white only and with a fixed size (16 x 16 pixels? I forget). Later a color cursor was added, also in the same fixed size and stored in resource files. Apple is moving away from resource files and one day hopes to eliminate them entirely. So in my programming, I'm cleaning out things in resource files and using modern replacements, in this case Apple's NSCursor's, which are a tiny component of Cocoa. The cursor can be of any size and any color. You just create the image in Photoshop, save it in .tiff or .png format and then use it in your programming with your own NSCursor routines. The way it's done is that you can add to the NSCursor class and the whole system is designed to work that way. In years past, I would typically grumble and complain about changes that are forced on me, but over a period of time I found that when I finally made a change, I came to appreciate why everyone had gone in the new direction. The new methods are always superior to the old methods. So now instead of resisting change, I think of it as body-surfing a big wave of change and I look forward to learning the new things I can do with the tools that I'm going to learn about. Some of these Cocoa concepts are easily implemented. I think I spent three days changing the cursors in WildTools, and when I got finished I never wanted to see an old resource-based cursor again. Some changes like this are easy and can be done without the user ever being aware of it. I'm sure Jim has lots of Cocoa components in Panorama, and with Apple phasing out (or "deprecating") routines, you have to do this. But don't ascribe magical capabilities to everything Cocoa. Leave it to Jim to decide when to pick up a hammer, screwdriver, or use a Carbon or Cocoa programming component. The quality of photography has everything to do with the person holding the camera, and very little to do with the camera itself. Alfred From pchance at quickdata.com Wed Oct 5 15:55:20 2011 From: pchance at quickdata.com (pchance at quickdata.com) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:55:20 -0500 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> Message-ID: <495f1402f6c76688d5e38265ed15d77d.squirrel@www10.qth.com> Pointing to some comments made by Jim Cook and Robert, I still have situations on the windows side (maybe Mac side too - the app in mind is run on windows) where the menubar does not refresh properly. I have to click back and fourth between two files before one remembers it is supposed to have an Action menu. That's fine for me, when I'm using to do some sorting/grouping/counting job that would be so painful in Excel. But it makes me shudder when I think of creating something I might charge someone money for. Fortunately I've been able to keep things simple, simple, simple to minimize grief. But if the "next big thing" were a rock solid user interface experience, rather than any new features, I think that would be grand. I recall RealBasic took that turn a while back. They sort of announced to their developers that for the next few interations, they were focusing mostly on making things work the way they were expected to rather than add more new features. Had I a background in C, in retirement I'd have Jim send me every glitch reported and I'd trace that sucker to its core (assuming reproducability). For myself, many times I have tried to add a Chart to a form, only to learn fear if I had to change anything size-wize after the first drag. I don't want to design in anything but Panorama, but I do wish the designs would not require breath holding at client demo time. Paul QuickData > For those of you who continue to be worked up about Cocoa, let me throw > out a few things. > > First look up Cocoa in Wikipedia with a Google search for "Cocoa (API)". > > It's very difficult to describe object programming in words that are > understandable by normal people, but Cocoa is a huge, highly advanced way > of creating programs. However, Cocoa has many components that can be used > on their own without turning the program into a Cocoa program. > > Here's a simple example: From the beginning of the Mac, cursors have been > something stored in resource files and they were black-and-white only and > with a fixed size (16 x 16 pixels? I forget). Later a color cursor was > added, also in the same fixed size and stored in resource files. > > Apple is moving away from resource files and one day hopes to eliminate > them entirely. So in my programming, I'm cleaning out things in resource > files and using modern replacements, in this case Apple's NSCursor's, > which are a tiny component of Cocoa. The cursor can be of any size and > any color. You just create the image in Photoshop, save it in .tiff or > .png format and then use it in your programming with your own NSCursor > routines. The way it's done is that you can add to the NSCursor class and > the whole system is designed to work that way. > > In years past, I would typically grumble and complain about changes that > are forced on me, but over a period of time I found that when I finally > made a change, I came to appreciate why everyone had gone in the new > direction. The new methods are always superior to the old methods. So > now instead of resisting change, I think of it as body-surfing a big wave > of change and I look forward to learning the new things I can do with the > tools that I'm going to learn about. > > Some of these Cocoa concepts are easily implemented. I think I spent > three days changing the cursors in WildTools, and when I got finished I > never wanted to see an old resource-based cursor again. > > Some changes like this are easy and can be done without the user ever > being aware of it. I'm sure Jim has lots of Cocoa components in Panorama, > and with Apple phasing out (or "deprecating") routines, you have to do > this. > > But don't ascribe magical capabilities to everything Cocoa. Leave it to > Jim to decide when to pick up a hammer, screwdriver, or use a Carbon or > Cocoa programming component. The quality of photography has everything to > do with the person holding the camera, and very little to do with the > camera itself. > > Alfred > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From robert at ameeti.net Wed Oct 5 16:42:42 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:42:42 -0700 Subject: Managing Memory - ExpressionStackSize In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As it was anticipated that I would demand that automatic memory management should be an absolute, that is not the case. What I want is for Panorama to not crash on me. If Panorama would give me a dialog that stated, "There is insufficient memory to continue." That would be fine. I could make the decision to purchase more memory, manually alter a Panorama memory setting, or choose not to run that procedure. But what should never happen is for the user to have to figure out that the reason that their program is crashing is due to a memory problem. I have learned the hard way to use the ExpressionStackSize and it did make a difference. The crashing symptoms changed as my ExpressionStackSize value changed. That told me that my issues were not corruption but in fact memory. As noted elsewhere, my problem was a formula that was too complex. Splitting up a complex formula into 2 parts resolved my crashing. Not ideal, but crashing should never happen. For those that might care, this is the formula that caused my crashing. (There are other formulas on the same form and it might be the cumulative amount of calculations that caused the crash but dividing this one formula into 2 parts stopped the crashes.) {lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,1,","),"Contact1","",0)[",",-1][3,-1]+" "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,1,","),"Contact1","",0)[1,","][1,-2]+", "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,2,","),"Contact1","",0)[",",-1][3,-1]+" "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,2,","),"Contact1","",0)[1,","][1,-2]+", "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,3,","),"Contact1","",0)[",",-1][3,-1]+" "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,3,","),"Contact1","",0)[1,","][1,-2]+", "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,4,","),"Contact1","",0)[",",-1][3,-1]+" "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,4,","),"Contact1","",0)[1,","][1,-2]+", "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,5,","),"Contact1","",0)[",",-1][3,-1]+" "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,5,","),"Contact1","",0)[1,","][1,-2]+", "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,6,","),"Contact1","",0)[",",-1][3,-1]+" "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,6,","),"Contact1","",0)[1,","][1,-2]+", "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,7,","),"Contact1","",0)[",",-1][3,-1]+" "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,7,","),"Contact1","",0)[1,","][1,-2]+", "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,8,","),"Contact1","",0)[",",-1][3,-1]+" "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,8,","),"Contact1","",0)[1,","][1,-2]+", "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,9,","),"Contact1","",0)[",",-1][3,-1]+" "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,9,","),"Contact1","",0)[1,","][1,-2]+", "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,10,","),"Contact1","",0)[",",-1][3,-1]+" "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,10,","),"Contact1","",0)[1,","][1,-2]+", "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,11,","),"Contact1","",0)[",",-1][3,-1]+" "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,11,","),"Contact1","",0)[1,","][1,-2]+", "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,12,","),"Contact1","",0)[",",-1][3,-1]+" "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,12,","),"Contact1","",0)[1,","][1,-2]+", "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,13,","),"Contact1","",0)[",",-1][3,-1]+" "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,13,","),"Contact1","",0)[1,","][1,-2]+", "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,14,","),"Contact1","",0)[",",-1][3,-1]+" "+lookup("People","ID",array(?CallerIDs?,14,","),"Contact1","",0)[1,","][1,-2]} The above formula takes a user entered string such as AmeeRo1,ThomDa1,CookJa1 and after doing a lookup on those 3 comma delineated values in the People database that has records such as ID Contact1 ======================== AmeeRo1 Ameeti, Robert ThomDa1 Thompson, David CookJa1 Cook, James then returns a string something like Robert Ameeti, David Thompson, James Cook At 5:41 PM -0700, 10/4/11, James Rea wrote: >On 10/4/11 at 1:47 PM, robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) wrote: > >>I want Cocoa because I believe it will allow us to stop managing memory. > >Cocoa has nothing to do with this. A Cocoa >version of Panorama would probably manage memory >the same way the current version does. > >>Memory management should not be a concern of the user or developer. > >For 99.999% of Panorama users this is indeed the case. > >Part of the reason Panorama is so fast is that >memory management is not 100% automatic. Try >opening a spreadsheet in Numbers, for example, >vs. the same data in Panorama, the speed >difference is astounding. But you don't get >something for nothing. > >>What if there is insufficient Free Memory when >>Panorama starts up? Does Panorama steal memory >>from other applications and actually get all >>that we ask for? > >No. Panorama will reduce the allocation it >requests until the system allows the request. On >Mac OS X or Windows, however, this will almost >never happen, as only virtual memory is >allocated. If your system is so busy that >virtual memory is unavailable then your system >performance will be very poor and most likely >you'll see a general kernel panic soon, no >matter what programs are running. > >>The ExtendedExpressionStack statement > >First of all, I would avoid this statement. Use >the ExpressionStackSize statement instead. > >When Panorama first launches, it grabs a chunk >of memory for databases to use. Usually only >part of this memory is actually used. Until >Panorama 5.5, Panorama would use the leftover >memory in this chunk for formula calculations. >Basically formulas would share the same memory >the databases were using. Usually this worked >fine, but there were some problems when Panorama >5.5 added the call( function. In some cases, >this sharing of memory caused crashes and >corrupted memory. So starting with Panorama 5.5, >Panorama now allocates a separate 5 megabyte >buffer for formulas. Unless you are manipulating >large files with fileload( and filesave, this is >way more than enough. > >The ExtendedExpressionStack statement tells >Panorama to go back to the "shared" memory >approach used in earlier versions. There were a >few users that took advantage of the potentially >huge amounts of memory available for formulas >with this shared scheme -- this statement allows >them to add 2 lines of code to make their old >code work with the new system. > >However, I recommend avoiding the >ExtendedExpressionStack statement. Instead, use >ExpressionStackSize, which permanently allocates >a larger buffer (or at least it is permanent >until you change it again.) With the >ExpressionStackSize statement the database >memory is not shared with the formula buffer. > >>The Activity Monitor will show us how much Free >>Memory is available at any time but I am not >>seeing a 1:1 decrease in the amount of Free >>Memory when I increase the ExpressionStackSize. > >First of all, the Activity Monitor is never >going to show a 100% accurate picture. Secondly, >when you increase the ExpressionStack, the >system only allocates virtual memory. You are >unlikely to actually use all of the physical >memory associated with the buffer. > >>The ExtendedExpressionStack statement says that >>it does not apply to 'formulas that are >>embedded in form objects." Hmmm. Does that mean >>that formulas embedded in form objects >>automatically get all the memory they need? > >No. They will always use the separate buffer, >which defaults to 5 meg but can be increased >with the ExpressionStackSize statement. > >>Or can they just not get what they need? And >>what happens when they don't get what they need? > >There will be a formula error - I think "stack overflow". Should not crash. > >>more details are needed on this subject > >See page 423-424 of the Formulas & Programming >Handbook, "Reading Really Big Data Files" > >Robert, let me anticipate your next post saying >that all of this should be taken care of >automatically. I wave my magic wand and state >that none of this is now relevant -- 5 meg is >more than plenty for the result of any formula >and you are henceforth limited to this amount. I >wonder what happens if you try to use a 25 >megabyte text file in a formula in FileMaker, >Numbers or Excel. > >Jim Rea > >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? 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Scott On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:07 PM, Wahib Afyouni wrote: > I am privileged to have lived during the IT Revolution era and have witnessed the great leaps in technology that a group of wonderful innovators have gifted us with. It is truly a sad day to hear of the passing of one of the greats. > > My condolences to all those who have been touched by Steve. > > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > Best Regards > > Dr. Wahib S. Afyouni > Managing Director > Gulf Scientific Corporation, Dubai (www.gsc2000.com) > Mobile : +971-50-644-0133 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- Celebrating 21 years of scientific support excellence (1990-2011) --- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna Scott R. Corbett, D.O. 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I was already an admitted mac zealot and have been ever since. steve jobs made the world a better place for me, in many ways- aside from apple's great products, I was an early believer from an investment perspective. i'm not rich by any standard, but I worry a lot less about my financial future because of a 5k investment I made many years ago. rip steve x Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2011, at 8:27 PM, Scott Corbett wrote: > It is hard to say how much enjoyment and productivity were added to my life by Steve's efforts to make truly simple and elegant products. He changed my world and many others', as well. I'll miss him. > > Scott > > > On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:07 PM, Wahib Afyouni wrote: > >> I am privileged to have lived during the IT Revolution era and have witnessed the great leaps in technology that a group of wonderful innovators have gifted us with. It is truly a sad day to hear of the passing of one of the greats. >> >> My condolences to all those who have been touched by Steve. >> >> >> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >> Best Regards >> >> Dr. Wahib S. Afyouni >> Managing Director >> Gulf Scientific Corporation, Dubai (www.gsc2000.com) >> Mobile : +971-50-644-0133 >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- Celebrating 21 years of scientific support excellence (1990-2011) --- >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > Scott R. Corbett, D.O. > Stillpoint Osteopathic, Ltd. > www.stillpoint.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From condoready at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 07:16:11 2011 From: condoready at gmail.com (CondoReady Guest Services) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 04:16:11 -1000 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: References: <771F5AAE-9E44-4A86-B30D-2E2A5C9F63D9@me.com> Message-ID: Will Cocoa allow Pan to become an ipad/android app? Tom On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Robert Ameeti wrote: > At 7:16 PM -0700, 9/29/11, Chris Watts wrote: > > And how is funnel(thetext,1,3,2) any less confusing than MyText[1,3] ? >> > > Of course it is no less 'confusing' but let's not continue down this path > of text funnels going away or even changing. They would not change at all in > a Cocoa version. > > -- > > <><><><><><><><><><><><> > Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net > (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 > PC & Mac computer specialist > > It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few > virtues. > -- Abraham Lincoln > > <><><><><><><><><><><><> > ______________________________**_________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/**listinfo/qna > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert at ameeti.net Wed Oct 5 23:27:04 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 23:27:04 -0700 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: References: <771F5AAE-9E44-4A86-B30D-2E2A5C9F63D9@me.com> Message-ID: At 4:16 AM -1000, 10/3/11, CondoReady Guest Services wrote: >Will Cocoa allow Pan to become an ipad/android app? No. It is he programmability that prohibits applications like Panorama from the iPad. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist The best thing about the future is that it comes one day at a time. - Abraham Lincoln <><><><><><><><><><><><> From ronald.southwick at tojfarm.com Thu Oct 6 02:18:01 2011 From: ronald.southwick at tojfarm.com (ronald.southwick) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 05:18:01 -0400 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: <495f1402f6c76688d5e38265ed15d77d.squirrel@www10.qth.com> References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> <495f1402f6c76688d5e38265ed15d77d.squirrel@www10.qth.com> Message-ID: <4E8D7249.1050800@tojfarm.com> I share your pain on these two items. Ron (Currently stuck in Windows-land) pchance at quickdata.com wrote: > I still have > situations on the windows side where the menubar does not refresh properly. I have to > click back and fourth between two files before one remembers it is > supposed to have an Action menu. > For myself, many times I have tried to add a Chart to a form, only to > learn fear if I had to change anything size-wize after the first drag. From samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net Thu Oct 6 07:17:54 2011 From: samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net (Sam Rutherford) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:17:54 -0500 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> Message-ID: <1A62E34F-B070-486B-8AB5-4E3CA785640A@musiccitymetals.net> I'm sorry to bring the discussion down to earth, but could cocoa help with this, which happens to me all the time: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is a list of possible areas of incompatibility -- this is not a comprehensive list, just off the top of my head: >> >> * file/folder handling (as mentioned above) >> * form layout (might need some tweaking) >> * resources (especially menu resources, which would probably be eliminated) >> * classic menus & dialogs >> * word processor objects might lose all formatting >> * file format compatibility (once converted to Panorama X databases probably could not be shared with Panorama 6 or earlier). >> * various statements and functions that are still based on OS 9 API's. > > > Could you expand on that, please? Example: > * file/folder handling - would allow 32+ characters in the name. That's an advantage. It's implied that the functions and statements would need to change. Fair enough, but would there be any additional expansion or loss of functionality vs. the present? (Anything you can do now that you wouldn't be able to do under Cocoa, or vice-versa?) > * form layout - per Alfred's post, would gains in graphics, font handling, look and feel, etc. be only minimal? > * resources (especially menu resources, which would probably be eliminated). Would they be replaced? Would the replacement be an improvement? > * classic menus & dialogs. I assume you mean the "classic", as in Pan 5.5 and below, would be lost, but I assume they would be replaced. (?) What, if any, functionality would be lost? I assume you could still build a functional dialog... Do you refer to the Customdialog and Alert statements? What, if any, functionality might be gained? > * word processor objects might lose all formatting. Any chance that the current WPSO could be replaced/supplemented with a XML-based word processor? This would be much more Pan-friendly anyway. > * file format compatibility (once converted to Panorama X databases probably could not be shared with Panorama 6 or earlier). Surely a routine could be developed for Pan 6 or less to view or import Pan X db's? > * various statements and functions that are still based on OS 9 API's. Which ones are those, and, depending on the list, could they be replaced or duplicated in pan X? > > Just curious. ;) > > M > > > > On Sep 29, 2011, at 7:52 PM, James Rea wrote: > >> On 9/29/11 at 12:02 PM, alfred at seqair.com (Alfred Scott) wrote: >> >>> Jim gave a good list of possible incompatibilities and problems. >> >> Thanks for pointing that out, Alfred. In today's version of this thread there has been a lot of wild speculation about what a Cocoa version might mean. I highly recommend going back to my original post to review what I actually think the most likely tradeoffs would be. >> >> Jim Rea >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > ________________________________________________________________ Sam Rutherford Music City Metals 615/255-4481 samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net From JC at JamesCook.biz Thu Oct 6 07:38:51 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:38:51 -0400 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: <1A62E34F-B070-486B-8AB5-4E3CA785640A@musiccitymetals.net> References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> <1A62E34F-B070-486B-8AB5-4E3CA785640A@musiccitymetals.net> Message-ID: <40E1DFA5-A412-4857-A2D9-CD44DD7BA530@JamesCook.biz> I experience that quite frequently and that's the sort of thing I'd love to see as part of the polish I suggested. In my opinion it's more critical than new features since it weighs heavily on user confidence. On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Sam Rutherford wrote: > Which cell is active? > And if I guess wrong, and enter data in the wrong cell, possibly replacing data I need, undo doesn't work. I can undo a selection, but not a data James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert at ameeti.net Thu Oct 6 08:02:23 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:02:23 -0700 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: <1A62E34F-B070-486B-8AB5-4E3CA785640A@musiccitymetals.net> References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> <1A62E34F-B070-486B-8AB5-4E3CA785640A@musiccitymetals.net> Message-ID: Yes. The remnants of graphics would be cleaned up when going to Cocoa. LOL. That is one of many bugs that I've been frustrated by lately that I too have been wanting to post but have hesitated to as I don't like to appear like a whiner with all of my other stuff. Thanks for sharing. ;-) At 9:17 AM -0500, 10/6/11, Sam Rutherford wrote: >I'm sorry to bring the discussion down to earth, >but could cocoa help with this, which happens to >me all the time: > >Which cell is active? >And if I guess wrong, and enter data in the >wrong cell, possibly replacing data I need, undo >doesn't work. I can undo a selection, but not a >data entry error. > >Does cocao have any bearing on this? > -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist In all recorded history there has not been one economist who has had to worry about where the next meal would come from. -- Peter Drucker <><><><><><><><><><><><> From samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net Thu Oct 6 08:06:38 2011 From: samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net (Sam Rutherford) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:06:38 -0500 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: <40E1DFA5-A412-4857-A2D9-CD44DD7BA530@JamesCook.biz> References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> <1A62E34F-B070-486B-8AB5-4E3CA785640A@musiccitymetals.net> <40E1DFA5-A412-4857-A2D9-CD44DD7BA530@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: <45ED601C-CD4E-4D93-AAD9-C541045F25A8@musiccitymetals.net> Thank you. I agree. On Oct 6, 2011, at 9:38 AM, James Cook wrote: > I experience that quite frequently and that's the sort of thing I'd love to see as part of the polish I suggested. In my opinion it's more critical than new features since it weighs heavily on user confidence. > > > On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Sam Rutherford wrote: > >> Which cell is active? >> And if I guess wrong, and enter data in the wrong cell, possibly replacing data I need, undo doesn't work. I can undo a selection, but not a data > > James Cook > JC at JamesCook.biz > > Founder of HindSight Ltd. > http://HSLtd.us > > Panorama Tutoring > Custom Panorama Applications > Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna ________________________________________________________________ Sam Rutherford Music City Metals 615/255-4481 samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barryk at caravanbeads.net Thu Oct 6 08:07:51 2011 From: barryk at caravanbeads.net (Barry Kahn) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:07:51 -0400 Subject: problems with sharing settings--maybe Message-ID: <1A957E4D-1BFE-4B29-832E-E4374453EB3B@caravanbeads.net> A while back I mentioned that one of the pan databases that I use daily shows an error on startup saying that it quit unexpectedly the last time it ran. Jim mentioned that this is not normal and there were a couple of suggestions, but it has continued to occur. Today I started digging through menus to see if I could find the cause and discovered that this database has some legacy settings from a few years back when I was experimenting with Enterprise. By way of preface, I am no longer running Enterprise and uninstalled it so there is no pan server on the network. The settings (found under the Sharing menu) include that this database is set to "auto-connect, auto-sync, allow-offline-changes, allow-offline-add-record, sync-priority-network." I tried to change these but of course can't because there is no Enterprise server available. Questions: 1) Could these settings be causing the error on startup; the database trying in the background to sync or at least verify the server's existence and finding nothing? 2) Short of reinstalling and reconfiguring Enterprise (I have a 5.5 license), is there any way to clear out these settings from the database? Any hidden procedure that can turn them off? Thanks, bk Barry Kahn Caravan Beads, Inc. 915 Forest Ave Portland ME 04103 800-230-8941 fax: 207-874-2664 www.caravanbeads.net barryk at caravanbeads.net *** Please visit our bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ *** My daughter Heather's business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ From robert at ameeti.net Thu Oct 6 08:19:45 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:19:45 -0700 Subject: problems with sharing settings--maybe In-Reply-To: <1A957E4D-1BFE-4B29-832E-E4374453EB3B@caravanbeads.net> References: <1A957E4D-1BFE-4B29-832E-E4374453EB3B@caravanbeads.net> Message-ID: At 11:07 AM -0400, 10/6/11, Barry Kahn wrote: >A while back I mentioned that one of the pan >databases that I use daily shows an error on >startup saying that it quit unexpectedly the >last time it ran. Jim mentioned that this is not >normal and there were a couple of suggestions, >but it has continued to occur. > >Today I started digging through menus to see if >I could find the cause and discovered that this >database has some legacy settings from a few >years back when I was experimenting with >Enterprise. By way of preface, I am no longer >running Enterprise and uninstalled it so there >is no pan server on the network. > >The settings (found under the Sharing menu) >include that this database is set to >"auto-connect, auto-sync, allow-offline-changes, >allow-offline-add-record, sync-priority-network." None of these should be causing you to Unexpectedly Quit. All of them are in a typical shared database and sometimes, the server is offline, the user is offline, etc, and each setting will always be part of life. >Questions: 1) Could these settings be causing >the error on startup; the database trying in the >background to sync or at least verify the >server's existence and finding nothing? It is something else that is causing the problem. I have recently identified a bug that had been causing me to Unexpectedly Quit but fortunately, after many days of hair pulling, I found a work around. Hope you do too. >2) Short of reinstalling and reconfiguring >Enterprise (I have a 5.5 license), is there any >way to clear out these settings from the >database? Any hidden procedure that can turn >them off? I'm betting that it would be a waste of time but I certainly am not the last word on this stuff. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist My wife says I never listen to her. At least I think that's what she said. <><><><><><><><><><><><> From JC at JamesCook.biz Thu Oct 6 08:20:43 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:20:43 -0400 Subject: Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <51161417-8902-4138-A9C0-BD0CDCBB1112@me.com> References: <1ED0DB61-1122-4C32-A8DC-B55B8F041798@stillpoint.us> <51161417-8902-4138-A9C0-BD0CDCBB1112@me.com> Message-ID: <700DDD91-4DD6-41FC-AC75-EC07E78BA39F@JamesCook.biz> It's interesting to think that Steve Jobs had more impact on the world than most political leaders. We're hearing him compared to Edison and Ford. I couldn't agree more. Each of them impacted the way all of us live, work and play on an every day basis. There are few humans that have had such an influence on the entire planet. I don't recall being familiar with Apple before the day I saw the Superbowl ad in 1984. My first computer was a Mac in 1985. (I also bought OverVUE - Panorama's predecessor.) My own life has been greatly affected since then - as have the lives of all reading this. Along with the Beatles, Steve Jobs influenced my path in life at an early point. It's a lot to reflect on. James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From csw at me.com Thu Oct 6 08:22:33 2011 From: csw at me.com (Chris Watts) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:22:33 -0700 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: <1A62E34F-B070-486B-8AB5-4E3CA785640A@musiccitymetals.net> References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> <1A62E34F-B070-486B-8AB5-4E3CA785640A@musiccitymetals.net> Message-ID: Do you have dual monitors? On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:17 AM, Sam Rutherford wrote: > I'm sorry to bring the discussion down to earth, but could cocoa help with this, which happens to me all the time: > > > > Which cell is active? > And if I guess wrong, and enter data in the wrong cell, possibly replacing data I need, undo doesn't work. I can undo a selection, but not a data entry error. > > Does cocao have any bearing on this? > > ________________________________________________________________ > > On Oct 5, 2011, at 7:05 AM, Mark Terry wrote: > >> OK. I went back and looked (9/8 under " Re: Disk Errors (found the issue and discovered a problem with the 'MakeFolder')") >> >> Here's the list: >> >>> P.S. Here is a list of possible areas of incompatibility -- this is not a comprehensive list, just off the top of my head: >>> >>> * file/folder handling (as mentioned above) >>> * form layout (might need some tweaking) >>> * resources (especially menu resources, which would probably be eliminated) >>> * classic menus & dialogs >>> * word processor objects might lose all formatting >>> * file format compatibility (once converted to Panorama X databases probably could not be shared with Panorama 6 or earlier). >>> * various statements and functions that are still based on OS 9 API's. >> >> >> Could you expand on that, please? Example: >> * file/folder handling - would allow 32+ characters in the name. That's an advantage. It's implied that the functions and statements would need to change. Fair enough, but would there be any additional expansion or loss of functionality vs. the present? (Anything you can do now that you wouldn't be able to do under Cocoa, or vice-versa?) >> * form layout - per Alfred's post, would gains in graphics, font handling, look and feel, etc. be only minimal? >> * resources (especially menu resources, which would probably be eliminated). Would they be replaced? Would the replacement be an improvement? >> * classic menus & dialogs. I assume you mean the "classic", as in Pan 5.5 and below, would be lost, but I assume they would be replaced. (?) What, if any, functionality would be lost? I assume you could still build a functional dialog... Do you refer to the Customdialog and Alert statements? What, if any, functionality might be gained? >> * word processor objects might lose all formatting. Any chance that the current WPSO could be replaced/supplemented with a XML-based word processor? This would be much more Pan-friendly anyway. >> * file format compatibility (once converted to Panorama X databases probably could not be shared with Panorama 6 or earlier). Surely a routine could be developed for Pan 6 or less to view or import Pan X db's? >> * various statements and functions that are still based on OS 9 API's. Which ones are those, and, depending on the list, could they be replaced or duplicated in pan X? >> >> Just curious. ;) >> >> M >> >> >> >> On Sep 29, 2011, at 7:52 PM, James Rea wrote: >> >>> On 9/29/11 at 12:02 PM, alfred at seqair.com (Alfred Scott) wrote: >>> >>>> Jim gave a good list of possible incompatibilities and problems. >>> >>> Thanks for pointing that out, Alfred. In today's version of this thread there has been a lot of wild speculation about what a Cocoa version might mean. I highly recommend going back to my original post to review what I actually think the most likely tradeoffs would be. >>> >>> Jim Rea >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Qna mailing list >>> Qna at provue.com >>> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sam Rutherford > Music City Metals > 615/255-4481 > samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From Jim at JamesCook.biz Thu Oct 6 08:29:48 2011 From: Jim at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:29:48 -0400 Subject: problems with sharing settings--maybe In-Reply-To: <1A957E4D-1BFE-4B29-832E-E4374453EB3B@caravanbeads.net> References: <1A957E4D-1BFE-4B29-832E-E4374453EB3B@caravanbeads.net> Message-ID: <26326E74-D2E2-404C-8B4B-63145CEEB0A7@JamesCook.biz> I can't speak to number 1, but the Database Sharing Options Wizard can strip any sharing variables. See Remove Sharing History in the Maintenance menu. On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Barry Kahn wrote: > Questions: 1) Could these settings be causing the error on startup; the database trying in the background to sync or at least verify the server's existence and finding nothing? > > 2) Short of reinstalling and reconfiguring Enterprise (I have a 5.5 license), is there any way to clear out these settings from the database? Any hidden procedure that can turn them off? James Cook Jim at JamesCook.biz 616.928.2221 http://JamesCook.biz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert at ameeti.net Thu Oct 6 08:31:20 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:31:20 -0700 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> <1A62E34F-B070-486B-8AB5-4E3CA785640A@musiccitymetals.net> Message-ID: This is not a dual monitor thing. It happens on many different computers with single monitors. Another typical remnant is the dragging of objects in the Design Mode of a Form. The objects all too often remain visually in the old space as well until you force a refresh of the screen. At 8:22 AM -0700, 10/6/11, Chris Watts wrote: >Do you have dual monitors? > >On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:17 AM, Sam Rutherford wrote: > >> I'm sorry to bring the discussion down to >>earth, but could cocoa help with this, which >>happens to me all the time: >> >> >> >> Which cell is active? >> And if I guess wrong, and enter data in the >>wrong cell, possibly replacing data I need, >>undo doesn't work. I can undo a selection, but >>not a data entry error. >> > > Does cocao have any bearing on this? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose. -- Darrin Weinberg <><><><><><><><><><><><> From csw at me.com Thu Oct 6 08:34:03 2011 From: csw at me.com (Chris Watts) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:34:03 -0700 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> <1A62E34F-B070-486B-8AB5-4E3CA785640A@musiccitymetals.net> Message-ID: <6158A487-FBDA-403A-B463-11E8B34EB620@me.com> It happens to me too. But only on computers with two monitors. There are many other differences (I have 7 macs, though I really only use Panorama on two of them), but I was playing a hunch. cw On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:31 AM, Robert Ameeti wrote: > This is not a dual monitor thing. It happens on many different computers with single monitors. > > Another typical remnant is the dragging of objects in the Design Mode of a Form. The objects all too often remain visually in the old space as well until you force a refresh of the screen. > > > At 8:22 AM -0700, 10/6/11, Chris Watts wrote: > >> Do you have dual monitors? >> >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:17 AM, Sam Rutherford wrote: >> >>> I'm sorry to bring the discussion down to earth, but could cocoa help with this, which happens to me all the time: >>> >>> >>> >>> Which cell is active? >>> And if I guess wrong, and enter data in the wrong cell, possibly replacing data I need, undo doesn't work. I can undo a selection, but not a data entry error. >>> >> > Does cocao have any bearing on this? > > -- > > <><><><><><><><><><><><> > Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net > (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 > PC & Mac computer specialist > > It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose. > -- Darrin Weinberg > <><><><><><><><><><><><> > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From robert at ameeti.net Thu Oct 6 08:37:47 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:37:47 -0700 Subject: problems with sharing settings--maybe In-Reply-To: <26326E74-D2E2-404C-8B4B-63145CEEB0A7@JamesCook.biz> References: <1A957E4D-1BFE-4B29-832E-E4374453EB3B@caravanbeads.net> <26326E74-D2E2-404C-8B4B-63145CEEB0A7@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: At 11:29 AM -0400, 10/6/11, James Cook wrote: >I can't speak to number 1, but the Database >Sharing Options Wizard can strip any sharing >variables. See Remove Sharing History in the >Maintenance menu. Reset Options may also modify some settings. I'm imagining that Force To Single User would already have been done. All of the above is part of Wizards/Sharing/Database Sharing Options >On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Barry Kahn wrote: > >>Questions: 1) Could these settings be causing >>the error on startup; the database trying in >>the background to sync or at least verify the >>server's existence and finding nothing? >> >>2) Short of reinstalling and reconfiguring >>Enterprise (I have a 5.5 license), is there any >>way to clear out these settings from the >>database? Any hidden procedure that can turn >>them off? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist May there be good intentions in the mind, so that you may perform noble deeds. <><><><><><><><><><><><> From barryk at caravanbeads.net Thu Oct 6 08:46:59 2011 From: barryk at caravanbeads.net (Barry Kahn) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:46:59 -0400 Subject: problems with sharing settings--maybe In-Reply-To: References: <1A957E4D-1BFE-4B29-832E-E4374453EB3B@caravanbeads.net> <26326E74-D2E2-404C-8B4B-63145CEEB0A7@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: It would help if I paid more attention to details. The error is actually from Total Recall: "Your last Panorama session ended unexpectedly?" etc. So I turned off TR and voila! no more error message. Which I assume means that the database (which has save quit as the last two lines right now) is still doing something funky? but now it's not telling me. Or could it be something in my total recall settings or? Thanks, bk > At 11:29 AM -0400, 10/6/11, James Cook wrote: > >> I can't speak to number 1, but the Database Sharing Options Wizard can strip any sharing variables. See Remove Sharing History in the Maintenance menu. > > Reset Options may also modify some settings. > > I'm imagining that Force To Single User would already have been done. > > All of the above is part of Wizards/Sharing/Database Sharing Options > > >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Barry Kahn wrote: >> >>> Questions: 1) Could these settings be causing the error on startup; the database trying in the background to sync or at least verify the server's existence and finding nothing? >>> >>> 2) Short of reinstalling and reconfiguring Enterprise (I have a 5.5 license), is there any way to clear out these settings from the database? Any hidden procedure that can turn them off? > > -- > > <><><><><><><><><><><><> > Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net > (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 > PC & Mac computer specialist > > May there be good intentions in the mind, so that you may perform noble deeds. > <><><><><><><><><><><><> > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna Barry Kahn Caravan Beads, Inc. 915 Forest Ave Portland ME 04103 800-230-8941 fax: 207-874-2664 www.caravanbeads.net barryk at caravanbeads.net *** Please visit our bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ *** My daughter Heather's business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ From robert at ameeti.net Thu Oct 6 08:53:16 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:53:16 -0700 Subject: problems with sharing settings--maybe In-Reply-To: References: <1A957E4D-1BFE-4B29-832E-E4374453EB3B@caravanbeads.net> <26326E74-D2E2-404C-8B4B-63145CEEB0A7@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: At 11:46 AM -0400, 10/6/11, Barry Kahn wrote: >It would help if I paid more attention to >details. The error is actually from Total Recall: > >"Your last Panorama session ended unexpectedly?" etc. > >So I turned off TR and voila! no more error message. Yes but Total Recall can save you a lot of lost work. While it should not be necessary, it is a savior for many of the Unexpected Quits. >Which I assume means that the database (which has >save >quit > >as the last two lines right now) > >is still doing something funky? but now it's not telling me. I ran in to problems with SaveAll in some of my procedures causing Unexpected Quits. I gave up on using it after not being able to figure out why. I could single Save or Quit just fine but I could not SaveAll >Or could it be something in my total recall settings or? Don't think so. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist The Internet Is A Great Way To Get On The Net. - Republican Presidential Candidate Bob Dole <><><><><><><><><><><><> From barryk at caravanbeads.net Thu Oct 6 09:15:34 2011 From: barryk at caravanbeads.net (Barry Kahn) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 12:15:34 -0400 Subject: problems with sharing settings--maybe In-Reply-To: References: <1A957E4D-1BFE-4B29-832E-E4374453EB3B@caravanbeads.net> <26326E74-D2E2-404C-8B4B-63145CEEB0A7@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: I had a single instance of saveall but it was already commented out so that's not the culprit. In this particular case I'm setting up a copy of this database which will be running on a schedule and hopefully without needing any attention so it doesn't need TR enabled. It just needs to startup, run, and quit reliably. The only output is a text file so the database itself (since it's a copy on a different machine) won't care if it doesn't have total recall watching over it. thanks b > At 11:46 AM -0400, 10/6/11, Barry Kahn wrote: > >> It would help if I paid more attention to details. The error is actually from Total Recall: >> >> "Your last Panorama session ended unexpectedly?" etc. >> >> So I turned off TR and voila! no more error message. > > Yes but Total Recall can save you a lot of lost work. While it should not be necessary, it is a savior for many of the Unexpected Quits. > >> Which I assume means that the database (which has >> save >> quit >> >> as the last two lines right now) >> >> is still doing something funky? but now it's not telling me. > > I ran in to problems with SaveAll in some of my procedures causing Unexpected Quits. I gave up on using it after not being able to figure out why. I could single Save or Quit just fine but I could not SaveAll > >> Or could it be something in my total recall settings or? > > Don't think so. > > > -- > > <><><><><><><><><><><><> > Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net > (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 > PC & Mac computer specialist > > The Internet Is A Great Way To Get On The Net. > - Republican Presidential Candidate Bob Dole > <><><><><><><><><><><><> > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna Barry Kahn Caravan Beads, Inc. 915 Forest Ave Portland ME 04103 800-230-8941 fax: 207-874-2664 www.caravanbeads.net barryk at caravanbeads.net *** Please visit our bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ *** My daughter Heather's business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ From jim at provue.com Thu Oct 6 09:22:45 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:22:45 -0700 Subject: problems with sharing settings--maybe In-Reply-To: <1A957E4D-1BFE-4B29-832E-E4374453EB3B@caravanbeads.net> Message-ID: On 10/6/11 at 8:07 AM, barryk at caravanbeads.net (Barry Kahn) wrote: >The settings (found under the Sharing menu) include that this >database is set to "auto-connect, auto-sync, >allow-offline-changes, allow-offline-add-record, sync-priority-network." You should be able to turn off these by forcing the database to single user (using the Database Sharing Options wizard). A server isn't required to do this. In fact, you should be able to use the regular convert to single user option even if the server is no longer available. Actually -- this makes me wonder -- is your database really set up as a single user database now? Or is it still a shared database but set up to allow offline changes, and you simply never connect it to a server? If the latter, I would definitely convert the database back to single user. There are certain restrictions that apply to shared databases even if they are not connected to a server, it sounds like you really should be using this database in single user mode. Jim From scott at prototek.net Thu Oct 6 11:28:33 2011 From: scott at prototek.net (Scott Taylor) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:28:33 -0700 Subject: Live Clairvoyance conundrum Message-ID: I?ve been using my own LiveClairvoyance procedure for some time with great success. Now I want to enhance it a bit, and I?m unsure how to work my modification into the LiveClairvoyance syntax. It started out as a simple search to find the search string in the input box in a particular field in the current database. That works fine; what I want to do is add an additional search criterion. In standard search/find language, my current criteria would look like this: > Find MyField contains MyInputValue These criteria fit nicely into the standard LiveClairvoyand arguments; MyField, ?contains? and MyInputValue have very specific correspondents. I want to expand its utility by accomplishing this: > Find MyField contains MyInputValue and AnotherField notcontains > ?aLiteralValue? Can this be done? 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I can undo a selection, but not a data entry error. >> >> Does cocao have any bearing on this? >> >> ________________________________________________________________ >> >> On Oct 5, 2011, at 7:05 AM, Mark Terry wrote: >> >>> OK. I went back and looked (9/8 under " Re: Disk Errors (found the issue and discovered a problem with the 'MakeFolder')") >>> >>> Here's the list: >>> >>>> P.S. Here is a list of possible areas of incompatibility -- this is not a comprehensive list, just off the top of my head: >>>> >>>> * file/folder handling (as mentioned above) >>>> * form layout (might need some tweaking) >>>> * resources (especially menu resources, which would probably be eliminated) >>>> * classic menus & dialogs >>>> * word processor objects might lose all formatting >>>> * file format compatibility (once converted to Panorama X databases probably could not be shared with Panorama 6 or earlier). >>>> * various statements and functions that are still based on OS 9 API's. >>> >>> >>> Could you expand on that, please? Example: >>> * file/folder handling - would allow 32+ characters in the name. That's an advantage. It's implied that the functions and statements would need to change. Fair enough, but would there be any additional expansion or loss of functionality vs. the present? (Anything you can do now that you wouldn't be able to do under Cocoa, or vice-versa?) >>> * form layout - per Alfred's post, would gains in graphics, font handling, look and feel, etc. be only minimal? >>> * resources (especially menu resources, which would probably be eliminated). Would they be replaced? Would the replacement be an improvement? >>> * classic menus & dialogs. I assume you mean the "classic", as in Pan 5.5 and below, would be lost, but I assume they would be replaced. (?) What, if any, functionality would be lost? I assume you could still build a functional dialog... Do you refer to the Customdialog and Alert statements? What, if any, functionality might be gained? >>> * word processor objects might lose all formatting. Any chance that the current WPSO could be replaced/supplemented with a XML-based word processor? This would be much more Pan-friendly anyway. >>> * file format compatibility (once converted to Panorama X databases probably could not be shared with Panorama 6 or earlier). Surely a routine could be developed for Pan 6 or less to view or import Pan X db's? >>> * various statements and functions that are still based on OS 9 API's. Which ones are those, and, depending on the list, could they be replaced or duplicated in pan X? >>> >>> Just curious. ;) >>> >>> M >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 29, 2011, at 7:52 PM, James Rea wrote: >>> >>>> On 9/29/11 at 12:02 PM, alfred at seqair.com (Alfred Scott) wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim gave a good list of possible incompatibilities and problems. >>>> >>>> Thanks for pointing that out, Alfred. In today's version of this thread there has been a lot of wild speculation about what a Cocoa version might mean. I highly recommend going back to my original post to review what I actually think the most likely tradeoffs would be. >>>> >>>> Jim Rea >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Qna mailing list >>>> Qna at provue.com >>>> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Qna mailing list >>> Qna at provue.com >>> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >>> >> >> ________________________________________________________________ >> Sam Rutherford >> Music City Metals >> 615/255-4481 >> samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > ________________________________________________________________ Sam Rutherford Music City Metals 615/255-4481 samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net From samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net Thu Oct 6 11:53:55 2011 From: samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net (Sam Rutherford) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 13:53:55 -0500 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> <1A62E34F-B070-486B-8AB5-4E3CA785640A@musiccitymetals.net> Message-ID: I have that (the form business) too, but it's a purely cosmetic issue. The many active cells and no undo issue is more than cosmetic and more than just irritating. ________________________________________________________________ On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Robert Ameeti wrote: > This is not a dual monitor thing. It happens on many different computers with single monitors. > > Another typical remnant is the dragging of objects in the Design Mode of a Form. The objects all too often remain visually in the old space as well until you force a refresh of the screen. > > > At 8:22 AM -0700, 10/6/11, Chris Watts wrote: > >> Do you have dual monitors? >> >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:17 AM, Sam Rutherford wrote: >> >>> I'm sorry to bring the discussion down to earth, but could cocoa help with this, which happens to me all the time: >>> >>> >>> >>> Which cell is active? >>> And if I guess wrong, and enter data in the wrong cell, possibly replacing data I need, undo doesn't work. I can undo a selection, but not a data entry error. >>> >> > Does cocao have any bearing on this? > > -- > > <><><><><><><><><><><><> > Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net > (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 > PC & Mac computer specialist > > It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose. > -- Darrin Weinberg > <><><><><><><><><><><><> > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > ________________________________________________________________ Sam Rutherford Music City Metals 615/255-4481 samrutherford at musiccitymetals.net From scott at prototek.net Thu Oct 6 15:21:42 2011 From: scott at prototek.net (Scott Taylor) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:21:42 -0700 Subject: Live Clairvoyance conundrum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Since I seem to be the only one giving this any thought so far, I?ll give you a little more to chew on. Here is what I am trying to accomplish specifically. This is a Customer database, and when someone calls in I start typing their Company name in the LC input box and it shows me a list of partial matches (contains) as I type. As it turns out, a number of Company accounts have been closed over the years for one reason or another, but we keep their records in the file so as not to create annoying gaps (and they can be useful for historical purposes). But we do assign their Status=?Closed? in a field for the purpose of identifying this. So I?m trying to get my LiveClairvoyance to not show me any Status=?Closed? accounts that would otherwise match my criteria. It occurred to me just after I posted this that the answer might be pretty obvious. MyInputValue is whatever I type in the input box, and it is used directly in the LiveClairvoyance procedure as the first parameter. So I though maybe I could just add the text ? and Status notcontains ?Closed?? to the original MyInputValue and that would refine the LiveClairvoyance search. Unfortunately, when I do this I don?t get an error, but I get no results at all. I?m putting all of this into my variable, so I stuck in a Message statement to confirm that my variable is constructed as I want it. Assuming my initial search variable is ?Johnson?, this is what the message says my variable?s value is: > Johnson and Status notcontains ?Closed? The lack of quote marks around Johnson tells me that LiveClairvoyance is not handling this search in the way I expect it to, and that this construct is not going to get anywhere because it doesn?t make any sense to LC. Maybe LC throws quotes around the variable before it runs the search, but my extra quotes ruin it. I have a feeling our Mr. Rea knows the answer to this, for better or for worse. Maybe someone else too. I?m all ears. Scott > > From: Scott Taylor > Subject: Live Clairvoyance conundrum > > I?ve been using my own LiveClairvoyance procedure for some time with great > success. Now I want to enhance it a bit, and I?m unsure how to work my > modification into the LiveClairvoyance syntax. > > It started out as a simple search to find the search string in the input box > in a particular field in the current database. That works fine; what I want > to do is add an additional search criterion. > > In standard search/find language, my current criteria would look like this: > >> Find MyField contains MyInputValue > > These criteria fit nicely into the standard LiveClairvoyand arguments; > MyField, ?contains? and MyInputValue have very specific correspondents. I > want to expand its utility by accomplishing this: > >> Find MyField contains MyInputValue and AnotherField notcontains >> ?aLiteralValue? > > Can this be done? 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Craig McPherson On Oct 6, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Jeff Kozuch wrote: > Any recommendations for using a spell checker with Panorama v6? > > Jeff > > Jeff Kozuch > President, Acacia Systems > Panorama Programing and Training > Apple Certified Technical Coordinator > Certified Member, Apple Consultants Network > jk at acaciasystems.com > http://www.acaciasystems.com > 562-437-7690 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JC at JamesCook.biz Thu Oct 6 16:12:33 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 19:12:33 -0400 Subject: Spell checker In-Reply-To: <2A1A017B-EC9C-4078-B5C1-C88923597054@acaciasystems.com> References: <053938E1-5DFE-48B0-817B-F0604150DC36@caravanbeads.net> <2A1A017B-EC9C-4078-B5C1-C88923597054@acaciasystems.com> Message-ID: <762C8A62-5714-46A8-A596-6C175143D1DF@JamesCook.biz> Spell Catcher - http://www.rainmakerinc.com/ More than the interactive spell checking, I love it's short hand feature. I have numerous abbreviations I've created that it expands into phrases or multiple lines, such as my address, email signature block or URL. On Oct 6, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Jeff Kozuch wrote: > Any recommendations for using a spell checker with Panorama v6? 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I have numerous abbreviations I've created that it expands > into phrases or multiple lines, such as my address, email signature > block or URL. > > > > On Oct 6, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Jeff Kozuch wrote: > >> Any recommendations for using a spell checker with Panorama v6? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pchance at quickdata.com Thu Oct 6 17:31:51 2011 From: pchance at quickdata.com (pchance at quickdata.com) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 19:31:51 -0500 Subject: Live Clairvoyance conundrum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6d2bc9c71de665a0b1a28c695a0d2e28.squirrel@www10.qth.com> Some thoughts ... you always want to be careful when you use, seek for, etc. words or phrases which in themselves or partially contain letters that by themself are actual commmands or statements. For example, it is not unusual for people who give a field the name of "Date" discovering problems when that field name is used in procedures (because of the Date function). So when I see you are looking at/for someting called "Closed" it just raises an eyebrow. I like the ideal of filtering what you want into an array and then using the array as the live clairvoyance feed. If you can't do that, why not, at .initialize time, create a temporary Secret file that has the non-closed records and use that for your Live Clarvoyance feed. Paul QuickData > Since I seem to be the only one giving this any thought so far, I?ll give > you a little more to chew on. > > Here is what I am trying to accomplish specifically. This is a Customer > database, and when someone calls in I start typing their Company name in > the > LC input box and it shows me a list of partial matches (contains) as I > type. > As it turns out, a number of Company accounts have been closed over the > years for one reason or another, but we keep their records in the file so > as > not to create annoying gaps (and they can be useful for historical > purposes). But we do assign their Status=?Closed? in a field for the > purpose of identifying this. So I?m trying to get my LiveClairvoyance to > not show me any Status=?Closed? accounts that would otherwise match my > criteria. > > It occurred to me just after I posted this that the answer might be pretty > obvious. MyInputValue is whatever I type in the input box, and it is used > directly in the LiveClairvoyance procedure as the first parameter. So I > though maybe I could just add the text ? and Status notcontains ?Closed?? > to > the original MyInputValue and that would refine the LiveClairvoyance > search. > Unfortunately, when I do this I don?t get an error, but I get no results > at > all. I?m putting all of this into my variable, so I stuck in a Message > statement to confirm that my variable is constructed as I want it. > Assuming > my initial search variable is ?Johnson?, this is what the message says my > variable?s value is: > >> Johnson and Status notcontains ?Closed? > > The lack of quote marks around Johnson tells me that LiveClairvoyance is > not > handling this search in the way I expect it to, and that this construct is > not going to get anywhere because it doesn?t make any sense to LC. Maybe > LC > throws quotes around the variable before it runs the search, but my extra > quotes ruin it. > > I have a feeling our Mr. Rea knows the answer to this, for better or for > worse. Maybe someone else too. I?m all ears. > > Scott > >> >> From: Scott Taylor >> Subject: Live Clairvoyance conundrum >> > >> I?ve been using my own LiveClairvoyance procedure for some time with >> great >> success. Now I want to enhance it a bit, and I?m unsure how to work my >> modification into the LiveClairvoyance syntax. >> >> It started out as a simple search to find the search string in the input >> box >> in a particular field in the current database. That works fine; what I >> want >> to do is add an additional search criterion. >> >> In standard search/find language, my current criteria would look like >> this: >> >>> Find MyField contains MyInputValue >> >> These criteria fit nicely into the standard LiveClairvoyand arguments; >> MyField, ?contains? and MyInputValue have very specific correspondents. >> I >> want to expand its utility by accomplishing this: >> >>> Find MyField contains MyInputValue and AnotherField notcontains >>> ?aLiteralValue? >> >> Can this be done? It would be a huge help in our operation if it could >> be. >> >> Scott >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Thu Oct 6 20:41:40 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 03:41:40 +0000 Subject: Live Clairvoyance conundrum In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I think the way to do this would be to put your additional condition in the 6th parameter, the query parameter, and to place it first. I imagine that you currently have the name of the field you are searching in that parameter. Assuming the field is named Company, try changing the parameter from Company to Status notcontains "Closed" and Company Then when you type Johnson into the text box, it will be searching for Status notcontains "Closed" and Company contains "Johnson" Dave ________________________________ From: qna-bounces at provue.com [qna-bounces at provue.com] on behalf of Scott Taylor [scott at prototek.net] Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 5:21 PM To: Panorama QnA Subject: Re: Live Clairvoyance conundrum Since I seem to be the only one giving this any thought so far, I?ll give you a little more to chew on. Here is what I am trying to accomplish specifically. This is a Customer database, and when someone calls in I start typing their Company name in the LC input box and it shows me a list of partial matches (contains) as I type. As it turns out, a number of Company accounts have been closed over the years for one reason or another, but we keep their records in the file so as not to create annoying gaps (and they can be useful for historical purposes). But we do assign their Status=?Closed? in a field for the purpose of identifying this. So I?m trying to get my LiveClairvoyance to not show me any Status=?Closed? accounts that would otherwise match my criteria. It occurred to me just after I posted this that the answer might be pretty obvious. MyInputValue is whatever I type in the input box, and it is used directly in the LiveClairvoyance procedure as the first parameter. So I though maybe I could just add the text ? and Status notcontains ?Closed?? to the original MyInputValue and that would refine the LiveClairvoyance search. Unfortunately, when I do this I don?t get an error, but I get no results at all. I?m putting all of this into my variable, so I stuck in a Message statement to confirm that my variable is constructed as I want it. Assuming my initial search variable is ?Johnson?, this is what the message says my variable?s value is: Johnson and Status notcontains ?Closed? The lack of quote marks around Johnson tells me that LiveClairvoyance is not handling this search in the way I expect it to, and that this construct is not going to get anywhere because it doesn?t make any sense to LC. Maybe LC throws quotes around the variable before it runs the search, but my extra quotes ruin it. I have a feeling our Mr. Rea knows the answer to this, for better or for worse. Maybe someone else too. I?m all ears. Scott From: Scott Taylor Subject: Live Clairvoyance conundrum I?ve been using my own LiveClairvoyance procedure for some time with great success. Now I want to enhance it a bit, and I?m unsure how to work my modification into the LiveClairvoyance syntax. It started out as a simple search to find the search string in the input box in a particular field in the current database. That works fine; what I want to do is add an additional search criterion. In standard search/find language, my current criteria would look like this: Find MyField contains MyInputValue These criteria fit nicely into the standard LiveClairvoyand arguments; MyField, ?contains? and MyInputValue have very specific correspondents. I want to expand its utility by accomplishing this: Find MyField contains MyInputValue and AnotherField notcontains ?aLiteralValue? Can this be done? It would be a huge help in our operation if it could be. Scott ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert at ameeti.net Thu Oct 6 23:49:01 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 23:49:01 -0700 Subject: search and replace across multiple procedures In-Reply-To: <053938E1-5DFE-48B0-817B-F0604150DC36@caravanbeads.net> References: <053938E1-5DFE-48B0-817B-F0604150DC36@caravanbeads.net> Message-ID: At 6:23 PM -0400, 10/6/11, Barry Kahn wrote: >Is it possible to search and replace across all the procedures in a database? Search? Yes. Or at least that is what the Cross Reference is supposed to accomplish. But it hasn't worked for many for quite a while. Replace? Not so easy. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad, and that is my religion. -- Abraham Lincoln <><><><><><><><><><><><> From bruce_de_benedictis at mac.com Thu Oct 6 23:52:17 2011 From: bruce_de_benedictis at mac.com (Bruce De Benedictis) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 23:52:17 -0700 Subject: Spell checker In-Reply-To: <2A1A017B-EC9C-4078-B5C1-C88923597054@acaciasystems.com> Message-ID: A rewrite of Panorama could enable the system spell checker to work, which would be welcome. Bruce De Benedictis > Any recommendations for using a spell checker with Panorama v6? > > Jeff > > Jeff Kozuch > President, Acacia Systems > Panorama Programing and Training > Apple Certified Technical Coordinator > Certified Member, Apple Consultants Network > jk at acaciasystems.com > http://www.acaciasystems.com > 562-437-7690 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From mark at abernackie.com Fri Oct 7 04:35:44 2011 From: mark at abernackie.com (Mark Terry) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 07:35:44 -0400 Subject: Live Clairvoyance conundrum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <883355A7-B05E-4561-9A5C-4526F89DA3B3@abernackie.com> I think you could also put the conditional in your output formula template (param 8?), to modify the appearance of the closed accounts. ?(field="Closed","?"+Name,Name) That way you would see all matches, but still be able to discern status. M On Oct 6, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Scott Taylor wrote: > Since I seem to be the only one giving this any thought so far, I?ll > give you a little more to chew on. > > Here is what I am trying to accomplish specifically. This is a > Customer database, and when someone calls in I start typing their > Company name in the LC input box and it shows me a list of partial > matches (contains) as I type. As it turns out, a number of Company > accounts have been closed over the years for one reason or another, > but we keep their records in the file so as not to create annoying > gaps (and they can be useful for historical purposes). But we do > assign their Status=?Closed? in a field for the purpose of > identifying this. So I?m trying to get my LiveClairvoyance to not > show me any Status=?Closed? accounts that would otherwise match my > criteria. > > It occurred to me just after I posted this that the answer might be > pretty obvious. MyInputValue is whatever I type in the input box, > and it is used directly in the LiveClairvoyance procedure as the > first parameter. So I though maybe I could just add the text ? and > Status notcontains ?Closed?? to the original MyInputValue and that > would refine the LiveClairvoyance search. Unfortunately, when I do > this I don?t get an error, but I get no results at all. I?m putting > all of this into my variable, so I stuck in a Message statement to > confirm that my variable is constructed as I want it. Assuming my > initial search variable is ?Johnson?, this is what the message says > my variable?s value is: > >> Johnson and Status notcontains ?Closed? > > The lack of quote marks around Johnson tells me that > LiveClairvoyance is not handling this search in the way I expect it > to, and that this construct is not going to get anywhere because it > doesn?t make any sense to LC. Maybe LC throws quotes around the > variable before it runs the search, but my extra quotes ruin it. > > I have a feeling our Mr. Rea knows the answer to this, for better or > for worse. Maybe someone else too. I?m all ears. > > Scott > >> >> From: Scott Taylor >> Subject: Live Clairvoyance conundrum >> > >> I?ve been using my own LiveClairvoyance procedure for some time >> with great success. Now I want to enhance it a bit, and I?m unsure >> how to work my modification into the LiveClairvoyance syntax. >> >> It started out as a simple search to find the search string in the >> input box in a particular field in the current database. That >> works fine; what I want to do is add an additional search criterion. >> >> In standard search/find language, my current criteria would look >> like this: >> >>> Find MyField contains MyInputValue >> >> These criteria fit nicely into the standard LiveClairvoyand >> arguments; MyField, ?contains? and MyInputValue have very specific >> correspondents. I want to expand its utility by accomplishing this: >> >>> Find MyField contains MyInputValue and AnotherField notcontains >>> ?aLiteralValue? >> >> Can this be done? It would be a huge help in our operation if it >> could be. >> >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I run the same file save from a different mac to the Mac_Shared mounted volume: FileSave "", "Mac_Shared:anyfilename.txt","",theExportText it works fine, no errors. Why? Thanks, bk Barry Kahn Caravan Beads, Inc. 915 Forest Ave Portland ME 04103 800-230-8941 fax: 207-874-2664 www.caravanbeads.net barryk at caravanbeads.net *** Please visit our bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ *** My daughter Heather's business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ From kjmeyer at mac.com Fri Oct 7 05:39:32 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:39:32 +0200 Subject: file save error In-Reply-To: <9562577E-AED4-4452-9590-FD3CCC42B6CC@caravanbeads.net> References: <9562577E-AED4-4452-9590-FD3CCC42B6CC@caravanbeads.net> Message-ID: <843CB874-0265-478D-B24F-3F1B46E439E1@mac.com> Am 07.10.2011 um 14:21 schrieb Barry Kahn: > FileSave "", "Server HD:Mac_Shared:anyfilename.txt","",theExportText If I read the Panorama Reference correctly, this should be FileSave folder("Server HD:Mac_Shared:"),"anyfilename.txt","",theExportText From barryk at caravanbeads.net Fri Oct 7 05:58:38 2011 From: barryk at caravanbeads.net (Barry Kahn) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:58:38 -0400 Subject: file save error In-Reply-To: <843CB874-0265-478D-B24F-3F1B46E439E1@mac.com> References: <9562577E-AED4-4452-9590-FD3CCC42B6CC@caravanbeads.net> <843CB874-0265-478D-B24F-3F1B46E439E1@mac.com> Message-ID: <27953F78-871B-4BB1-A241-BA15AED99A60@caravanbeads.net> Danke sehr! Ausgezeichnet! bk > > Am 07.10.2011 um 14:21 schrieb Barry Kahn: > >> FileSave "", "Server HD:Mac_Shared:anyfilename.txt","",theExportText > > If I read the Panorama Reference correctly, this should be > > FileSave folder("Server HD:Mac_Shared:"),"anyfilename.txt","",theExportText > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna Barry Kahn Caravan Beads, Inc. 915 Forest Ave Portland ME 04103 800-230-8941 fax: 207-874-2664 www.caravanbeads.net barryk at caravanbeads.net *** Please visit our bead blog: http://caravanbeads.biz/beadblog/ *** My daughter Heather's business: http://www.chrononautmercantile.com/ From steve at tlwsolutions.com Fri Oct 7 06:34:19 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:34:19 -0400 Subject: Corruption With Super Flash Art Object Message-ID: Hello, I have a strange thing going on. I have a view as list report that has a Group Header, Data and Summary1 tile. As soon as I put a Super Flash Art on the report with the code of WEBIMAGE("http://999.999.99/images/art/"+FileNumber+".jpg") the data in the database becomes corrupted. Any ideas what could be causing this? This is a brand new database created from a text file. I have checked the data before I put the Super Flash Art Object on it and all looks good. After I put it on the form and then view the form as a list then the data becomes toast. I have 6900 records. Steve Middleton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is a Customer > database, and when someone calls in I start typing their Company name in the > LC input box and it shows me a list of partial matches (contains) as I type. > As it turns out, a number of Company accounts have been closed over the > years for one reason or another, but we keep their records in the file so as > not to create annoying gaps (and they can be useful for historical > purposes). But we do assign their Status=?Closed? in a field for the > purpose of identifying this. So I?m trying to get my LiveClairvoyance to > *not *show me any Status=?Closed? accounts that would otherwise match my > criteria. > > It occurred to me just after I posted this that the answer might be pretty > obvious. MyInputValue is whatever I type in the input box, and it is used > directly in the LiveClairvoyance procedure as the first parameter. So I > though maybe I could just add the text ? and Status notcontains ?Closed?? to > the original MyInputValue and that would refine the LiveClairvoyance search. > Unfortunately, when I do this I don?t get an error, but I get no results at > all. I?m putting all of this into my variable, so I stuck in a Message > statement to confirm that my variable is constructed as I want it. Assuming > my initial search variable is ?Johnson?, this is what the message says my > variable?s value is: > > Johnson and Status notcontains ?Closed? > > > The lack of quote marks around Johnson tells me that LiveClairvoyance is > not handling this search in the way I expect it to, and that this construct > is not going to get anywhere because it doesn?t make any sense to LC. Maybe > LC throws quotes around the variable before it runs the search, but my extra > quotes ruin it. > > I have a feeling our Mr. Rea knows the answer to this, for better or for > worse. Maybe someone else too. I?m all ears. > > Scott > > > *From: *Scott Taylor > *Subject: *Live Clairvoyance conundrum > > > I?ve been using my own LiveClairvoyance procedure for some time with great > success. Now I want to enhance it a bit, and I?m unsure how to work my > modification into the LiveClairvoyance syntax. > > It started out as a simple search to find the search string in the input > box in a particular field in the current database. That works fine; what I > want to do is add an additional search criterion. > > In standard search/find language, my current criteria would look like this: > > Find MyField contains MyInputValue > > > These criteria fit nicely into the standard LiveClairvoyand arguments; > MyField, ?contains? and MyInputValue have very specific correspondents. I > want to expand its utility by accomplishing this: > > Find MyField contains MyInputValue *and AnotherField notcontains > ?aLiteralValue? > * > > * > *Can this be done? It would be a huge help in our operation if it could > be. > > Scott > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mylevelbest at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 08:52:28 2011 From: mylevelbest at gmail.com (David Groover) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:52:28 -0400 Subject: Spell checker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E8F203C.1070401@gmail.com> Modifier key - copy and paste would be a welcome fix as well. I agree that the cosmetics could be better; 1) Form elements that ghost until redrawn, 2) Text fields that are at risk for turning data stored in them to gibberish. I would also love to see the Programming Reference db redone so that; 1) the text could be made larger/more readable 2) The examples in the Programming Reference DB were possible to copy/test when learning an example. David Groover > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Bruce De Benedictis > October 7, 2011 2:52 AM > > > A rewrite of Panorama could enable the system spell checker to work, which > would be welcome. > > Bruce De Benedictis > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Jeff Kozuch > October 6, 2011 6:39 PM > > > Any recommendations for using a spell checker with Panorama v6? > > Jeff > > Jeff Kozuch > > President,Acacia Systems > > Panorama Programing and Training > > Apple Certified Technical Coordinator > > Certified Member, Apple Consultants Network > > jk at acaciasystems.com > > http://www.acaciasystems.com > > 562-437-7690 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have checked the data before I put the >Super Flash Art Object on it and all looks good. > After I put it on the form and then view the >form as a list then the data becomes toast. I >have 6900 records. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments -- there are consequences. ~ Robert G. Ingersoll <><><><><><><><><><><><> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at prototek.net Fri Oct 7 10:28:24 2011 From: scott at prototek.net (Scott Taylor) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 10:28:24 -0700 Subject: Live Clairvoyance conundrum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you all, your suggestions are brilliant. David T., I figured it was going to require someone who knew how this works under the hood to get this straight. I don?t think I would have thought of modifying that parameter. HOWEVER, I tried that and I get no results at all when I mess with that parameter. I may be doing something wrong, but I tried some of the other suggestions before getting deep into troubleshooting it, and found my solution. Mark T., I already had your approach in mind, it was going to be my fallback if I couldn?t get the query to work right. It?s very elegant. Steve M., you hit the nail on the head. I would have thought that passing the output line just a blank ?? would give me an annoying blank line, but it actually ignores the line and is just what I needed. Again, my mind wasn?t pointed this way at all. Paul C., the warnings about using object names that might be confused with programming language key words are valid, but if we have to be careful about the contents of a field getting confused with them we?d never be able to use a database. I had thought about reducing my input data to only non-closed records, but LC doesn?t work that way ? it works on the whole database, unfiltered, and not on arrays either. I appreciate your efforts to help me. I wound up using a combination approach. I use a check box on my entry form to control whether I want to see the Closed records or not, so they don?t show at all if I don?t want to see them, but if I do want to see them they have a ? in front of them. Perfect! QNA wins again! Scott > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at centerofcreation.com Fri Oct 7 10:42:22 2011 From: lists at centerofcreation.com (JL Cook) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:42:22 -0600 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> Message-ID: <4E8F39FE.1060104@centerofcreation.com> I honestly don't care much either way about Cocoa. What I experience and hear repeatedly is that Panorama really needs a graphic design upgrade and ability to handle formatted text in a standards compatible manner. Just look at the comments around the Web about Panorama and you will see that the look is the most common negative point. Yes, we can (and I have) make it look almost any way that we want; however the basic graphics of the forms are rather crude. Of course I would hate to have to go back at essentially have to rewrite major portions of files that I use daily due to a loss of a function or something and I do prefer the classic menus, but those are not necessarily deal breakers. >> P.S. Here is a list of possible areas of incompatibility -- this is not a comprehensive list, just off the top of my head: >> >> * form layout (might need some tweaking) >> * word processor objects might lose all formatting The deal breaker for me already exists and has been related to the above and the present state of Panorama. Because of the lack of compatibility of Panorama with major standards such as RTF and/or XML and the incredible work that it would take to export data from the WPSO to a standard format, I have very reluctantly been moving away from Panorama. I have two major projects that I could not finish in Panorama due to lack of ability to import or export any formatted text and am now testing them in other programming environments. Whether it be Cocoa or whatever that could add this compatibility would not matter, just getting any kind of standard would be great. An upgrade to form layout might be great as forms have also been a frustration - more with the function than look. I would like to do a simple one page invoice displaying data from multiple records (line items are too limiting for many reasons) or another file. Just adding a footer for the invoice summaries to view-as-list would be an improvement. I see complex invoice forms all the time and can easily create them with HTML and Apple's form creation tool. Just wish we could do it in Panorama. So, as far as Cocoa, I could go either way. The main issues are to deal with Panorama's existing bugs such as highlighting multiple records and zooming on multiple monitors and a major upgrade to the graphics abilities and audio (play standard sound formats). It doesn't matter much how you do that as long as we don't relegate Panorama to a dead-end. EVERY day when I work in another programming language such as Python, PHP, Objective-C, javascript, etc. I wince and curse as I find Panorama's method of writing code to be FAR more intelligent. Just wish I could say the same about the graphic abilities. - Jeff From steve at tlwsolutions.com Fri Oct 7 12:38:46 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 15:38:46 -0400 Subject: Corruption With Super Flash Art Object In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am getting an error message that it is corrupt and when I look at the data in data sheet it is whacked. Lots of hidden character. When I try to look at a particular field with the corrupt data in it Pan tells me that it exceeds 32k. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Robert Ameeti wrote: > ** > What evidence or symptom do you have that tells you that you have data > corruption? > > At 9:34 AM -0400, 10/7/11, steve middleton wrote: > > I have a strange thing going on. I have a view as list report that has a > Group Header, Data and Summary1 tile. As soon as I put a Super Flash Art on > the report with the code of WEBIMAGE("http://999.999.99/images/art/"+FileNumber+".jpg") > the data in the database becomes corrupted. Any ideas what could be causing > this? > > > This is a brand new database created from a text file. I have checked the > data before I put the Super Flash Art Object on it and all looks good. > After I put it on the form and then view the form as a list then the data > becomes toast. I have 6900 records. > > > ** > > -- > > ** > > <><><><><><><><><><><><> > Robert Ameeti - ePro? > MailTo:robert at ameeti.net > (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 > PC & Mac computer specialist > > Age is a very high price to pay for maturity. > <><><><><><><><><><><><> > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at provue.com Fri Oct 7 12:47:59 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 12:47:59 -0700 Subject: search and replace across multiple procedures Message-ID: On 10/6/11 at 3:23 PM, barryk at caravanbeads.net (Barry Kahn) wrote: >Is it possible to search and replace across all the procedures in a database? The View wizard will search across all procedures, but there is no way to search and replace. Well -- there is one way you could do this. The View wizard can export all procedures in a database into a text file. You could then use a text editor like BBEdit to do the search and replace. Then use the View wizard to import back into the procedures. Jim Rea From robert at ameeti.net Fri Oct 7 13:27:46 2011 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 13:27:46 -0700 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: <4E8F39FE.1060104@centerofcreation.com> References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> <4E8F39FE.1060104@centerofcreation.com> Message-ID: At 11:42 AM -0600, 10/7/11, JL Cook wrote: >EVERY day when I work in another programming >language such as Python, PHP, Objective-C, >javascript, etc. I wince and curse as I find >Panorama's method of writing code to be FAR more >intelligent. Just wish I could say the same >about the graphic abilities. > >- Jeff All of what you wrote about earlier as well as some standards to pdfs and reading, writing beyond PICT formats. When I see a red square grid over the pdfs that represent the documentation, I can't help but wince at the way that this standard is still being ignored. When Panorama is working, I LOVE it. When it is crashing, I am out of business. Something has to change. I'm voting for Cocoa as it will force many issues that have been ignored or worked around for too long. Unfortunately, all of this stuff seems to consistently be about 5-10 years behind the curve of the standards and that makes our life unnecessarily difficult. Heck, Cocoa has been the Apple suggested way of doing things for over 10 years and we're still debating whether it is the right thing for Panorama? Really? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti - ePro? MailTo:robert at ameeti.net (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 PC & Mac computer specialist Sometimes you just have to do something bad, just to know your alive. <><><><><><><><><><><><> From gary at yonaites.com Fri Oct 7 14:16:42 2011 From: gary at yonaites.com (Gary Yonaites) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 14:16:42 -0700 Subject: search and replace across multiple procedures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33CF3884-DDC1-43B5-93AC-1D0E2C956E44@yonaites.com> Or you could try my ?Procedure Find/Replace wizard which is part of the Pantasia Suite of wizards I offered for free some time back at . I would first try it on a backup copy just to be safe. Gary gary at yonaites.com On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:47 PM, James Rea wrote: > On 10/6/11 at 3:23 PM, barryk at caravanbeads.net (Barry Kahn) wrote: > >> Is it possible to search and replace across all the procedures in a database? > > The View wizard will search across all procedures, but there is no way to search and replace. > > Well -- there is one way you could do this. The View wizard can export all procedures in a database into a text file. You could then use a text editor like BBEdit to do the search and replace. Then use the View wizard to import back into the procedures. > > Jim Rea > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From csw at me.com Fri Oct 7 18:24:07 2011 From: csw at me.com (Chris Watts) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 18:24:07 -0700 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> <4E8F39FE.1060104@centerofcreation.com> Message-ID: <1FA0BDD0-D4CB-4EB3-A1C1-4414333151C1@me.com> When you see the red square grid, don't wince, reach for your wallet and purchase the enhanced image pack for 14.95. I don't think Cocoa has anything to do with it, nor is it a standard that is being ignored. It's upselling, for sure, but at least you can still make usable documents if you are too cheap to fork over the 14.95. I agree that disallowing any format but pict from the basic version is probably not correct. But call it like it is, I say. cw > The standard version of Panorama allows Panorama to display images in PICT format. This is the standard format for images on Mac OS computers, and is easily created using graphics programs on both Macintosh and Windows computers. The optional Enhanced Image Pack gives Panorama the ability to display a wide variety of other image formats, including JPEG, GIF, TIFF and PhotoShop format. The image pack also enables the ability to convert images between different formats and to change the size of an image (optionally copying the image at the same time). > The Panorama Enhanced Image Pack is available for $14.95 per copy of Panorama, and may be ordered from our shopping cart. On Oct 7, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Robert Ameeti, (I think) wrote: > > All of what you wrote about earlier as well as some standards to pdfs and reading, writing beyond PICT formats. When I see a red square grid over the pdfs that represent the documentation, I can't help but wince at the way that this standard is still being ignored. From jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us Fri Oct 7 21:37:16 2011 From: jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 00:37:16 -0400 Subject: Blocking Access to Panorama by IP address. Message-ID: <609D8748-08C4-4A69-BCDC-8EF69D3FBB3D@state.ga.weo.us> Is there an easy way to block all access to Panorama from certain IP addresses, or does such code need to be written on a procedure-by-procedure basis? Best wishes, - Jeff From lists at centerofcreation.com Fri Oct 7 22:05:12 2011 From: lists at centerofcreation.com (JL Cook) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 23:05:12 -0600 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> <4E8F39FE.1060104@centerofcreation.com> Message-ID: <4E8FDA08.9050404@centerofcreation.com> On 10/7/11 2:27 PM, Robert Ameeti wrote: > All of what you wrote about earlier as well as some standards to pdfs and reading, writing beyond PICT formats. When I see a red square grid over the pdfs that represent the documentation, I can't help but wince at the way that this standard is still being ignored. It appears that we could summarize much of what we wish for is compatibility with standard data formats. Other than being able to import .CSV and .TSV files Panorama doesn't deal with other standards out of the box. Nobody uses PICTs for storing images. We need to be able to use at least JPGs, MP3s (or Ogg-Vorbis), RTF (or ODT), XML, and PDFs. Since I wrote my post earlier today I have wondered if HTML forms within a future Panorama would be a good option. I am doing some rather interactive web forms using AJAX and Java server side and they are finally beginning to have the solid and powerful feel that you get in a application such as Panorama. And of course the design options are great. Might be a boon to Panorama forms without losing the present power. - Jeff From lists at centerofcreation.com Fri Oct 7 22:08:21 2011 From: lists at centerofcreation.com (JL Cook) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 23:08:21 -0600 Subject: Blocking Access to Panorama by IP address. In-Reply-To: <609D8748-08C4-4A69-BCDC-8EF69D3FBB3D@state.ga.weo.us> References: <609D8748-08C4-4A69-BCDC-8EF69D3FBB3D@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: <4E8FDAC5.6040309@centerofcreation.com> On 10/7/11 10:37 PM, Jeff Gold wrote: > Is there an easy way to block all access to Panorama from certain IP addresses, or does such code need to be written on a procedure-by-procedure basis? > Are you referring access via the web or directly via a client? For access via a web server, you can block the IP via the server software or with Panorama. From jim at provue.com Fri Oct 7 22:34:37 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 22:34:37 -0700 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: <4E8FDA08.9050404@centerofcreation.com> Message-ID: On 10/7/11 at 10:05 PM, lists at centerofcreation.com (JL Cook) wrote: > Since I wrote my post earlier today I have wondered if HTML forms within a > future Panorama would be a good option. This has been on my radar for a long time -- I think it would be a great option. Jim From jim at provue.com Fri Oct 7 22:36:02 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 22:36:02 -0700 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/7/11 at 1:27 PM, robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) wrote: >When I see a red square grid over the pdfs You won't see a grid over PDF files -- they do not require the enhanced image pack. There may be a bug in the Documentation wizard that does cause a grid to appear, but those cover images are not PDF files. Jim From lists at centerofcreation.com Fri Oct 7 22:48:36 2011 From: lists at centerofcreation.com (JL Cook) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 23:48:36 -0600 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E8FE434.3090108@centerofcreation.com> On 10/7/11 11:34 PM, James Rea wrote: > On 10/7/11 at 10:05 PM, lists at centerofcreation.com (JL Cook) wrote: > >> wondered if HTML forms within a future Panorama would be a good option. > This has been on my radar for a long time -- I think it would be a great option. Sounds great and perhaps could resolve many of the problems that I have with Panorama. From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Sat Oct 8 05:54:45 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:54:45 +0000 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: If I attempt to display a PDF on a computer that has an unregistered Panorama Engine, I do get the red and blue checkerboard. Are you saying that Panorama needs to be registered, but the enhanced image pack does not, or is there a bug in the flash art superobject that is putting that checkerboard there when it should not? Dave ________________________________________ From: qna-bounces at provue.com [qna-bounces at provue.com] on behalf of James Rea [jim at provue.com] Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:36 AM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Re: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama On 10/7/11 at 1:27 PM, robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) wrote: >When I see a red square grid over the pdfs You won't see a grid over PDF files -- they do not require the enhanced image pack. There may be a bug in the Documentation wizard that does cause a grid to appear, but those cover images are not PDF files. Jim _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From JC at JamesCook.biz Sat Oct 8 06:17:40 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 09:17:40 -0400 Subject: Blocking Access to Panorama by IP address. In-Reply-To: <609D8748-08C4-4A69-BCDC-8EF69D3FBB3D@state.ga.weo.us> References: <609D8748-08C4-4A69-BCDC-8EF69D3FBB3D@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: <758A4779-81D7-43A2-B647-0261EFE39751@JamesCook.biz> On Oct 8, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Jeff Gold wrote: > Is there an easy way to block all access to Panorama from certain IP addresses, or does such code need to be written on a procedure-by-procedure basis? It depends largely on how you have hits coming into your files. If there are a variety of procedures that process incoming hits, then each one needs to address the IP blocking. You could insert a call to an IP check at the start of each procedure. Then you only have one to maintain for rejecting IPs. It's far easier though if you can set your Apache, Abysss or whatever to block pesky IPs. James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JC at JamesCook.biz Sat Oct 8 06:24:52 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 09:24:52 -0400 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: <1FA0BDD0-D4CB-4EB3-A1C1-4414333151C1@me.com> References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> <4E8F39FE.1060104@centerofcreation.com> <1FA0BDD0-D4CB-4EB3-A1C1-4414333151C1@me.com> Message-ID: <00D159D6-F388-4F29-A1D6-0A0342E099AE@JamesCook.biz> On Oct 7, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Chris Watts wrote: > I agree that disallowing any format but pict from the basic version is probably not correct. But call it like it is, I say. I've harped on that one for quite some time. Since Panorama has the capability in it, the need to purchase an additional license for something that is so very common now just seems wrong. If it means the price per copy must go up then so be it, but one way or another it should be part of what you get when you license any version of Panorama. As it is, it sure hobbles demos of Panorama based apps when the user can only view or work with PICT, especially if they're running Windows. James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From operations at redhouserecords.com Mon Oct 10 09:07:03 2011 From: operations at redhouserecords.com (C W Frymire) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:07:03 -0500 Subject: Live Clairvoyance conundrum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07AECAD4-2F71-4D9E-8BA2-F94884298BCA@redhouserecords.com> Another option might be to first select only open accounts and then add "Selected" to the Option parameter in the liveclairvoyance command. On Oct 6, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Scott Taylor wrote: > Since I seem to be the only one giving this any thought so far, I?ll > give you a little more to chew on. > > Here is what I am trying to accomplish specifically. This is a > Customer database, and when someone calls in I start typing their > Company name in the LC input box and it shows me a list of partial > matches (contains) as I type. As it turns out, a number of Company > accounts have been closed over the years for one reason or another, > but we keep their records in the file so as not to create annoying > gaps (and they can be useful for historical purposes). But we do > assign their Status=?Closed? in a field for the purpose of > identifying this. So I?m trying to get my LiveClairvoyance to not > show me any Status=?Closed? accounts that would otherwise match my > criteria. > > It occurred to me just after I posted this that the answer might be > pretty obvious. MyInputValue is whatever I type in the input box, > and it is used directly in the LiveClairvoyance procedure as the > first parameter. So I though maybe I could just add the text ? and > Status notcontains ?Closed?? to the original MyInputValue and that > would refine the LiveClairvoyance search. Unfortunately, when I do > this I don?t get an error, but I get no results at all. I?m putting > all of this into my variable, so I stuck in a Message statement to > confirm that my variable is constructed as I want it. Assuming my > initial search variable is ?Johnson?, this is what the message says > my variable?s value is: > >> Johnson and Status notcontains ?Closed? > > The lack of quote marks around Johnson tells me that > LiveClairvoyance is not handling this search in the way I expect it > to, and that this construct is not going to get anywhere because it > doesn?t make any sense to LC. Maybe LC throws quotes around the > variable before it runs the search, but my extra quotes ruin it. > > I have a feeling our Mr. Rea knows the answer to this, for better or > for worse. Maybe someone else too. I?m all ears. > > Scott > >> >> From: Scott Taylor >> Subject: Live Clairvoyance conundrum >> > >> I?ve been using my own LiveClairvoyance procedure for some time >> with great success. Now I want to enhance it a bit, and I?m unsure >> how to work my modification into the LiveClairvoyance syntax. >> >> It started out as a simple search to find the search string in the >> input box in a particular field in the current database. That >> works fine; what I want to do is add an additional search criterion. >> >> In standard search/find language, my current criteria would look >> like this: >> >>> Find MyField contains MyInputValue >> >> These criteria fit nicely into the standard LiveClairvoyand >> arguments; MyField, ?contains? and MyInputValue have very specific >> correspondents. I want to expand its utility by accomplishing this: >> >>> Find MyField contains MyInputValue and AnotherField notcontains >>> ?aLiteralValue? >> >> Can this be done? It would be a huge help in our operation if it >> could be. >> >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From operations at redhouserecords.com Mon Oct 10 09:13:22 2011 From: operations at redhouserecords.com (C W Frymire) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:13:22 -0500 Subject: Live Clairvoyance conundrum In-Reply-To: <07AECAD4-2F71-4D9E-8BA2-F94884298BCA@redhouserecords.com> References: <07AECAD4-2F71-4D9E-8BA2-F94884298BCA@redhouserecords.com> Message-ID: <2CFEF2A1-AEED-4D2F-9E60-741296624A15@redhouserecords.com> Sorry, too far behind in my reading..... On Oct 10, 2011, at 11:07 AM, C W Frymire wrote: > Another option might be to first select only open accounts and then > add "Selected" to the Option parameter in the liveclairvoyance > command. > > > > On Oct 6, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Scott Taylor wrote: > >> Since I seem to be the only one giving this any thought so far, >> I?ll give you a little more to chew on. >> >> Here is what I am trying to accomplish specifically. This is a >> Customer database, and when someone calls in I start typing their >> Company name in the LC input box and it shows me a list of partial >> matches (contains) as I type. As it turns out, a number of Company >> accounts have been closed over the years for one reason or another, >> but we keep their records in the file so as not to create annoying >> gaps (and they can be useful for historical purposes). But we do >> assign their Status=?Closed? in a field for the purpose of >> identifying this. So I?m trying to get my LiveClairvoyance to not >> show me any Status=?Closed? accounts that would otherwise match my >> criteria. >> >> It occurred to me just after I posted this that the answer might be >> pretty obvious. MyInputValue is whatever I type in the input box, >> and it is used directly in the LiveClairvoyance procedure as the >> first parameter. So I though maybe I could just add the text ? and >> Status notcontains ?Closed?? to the original MyInputValue and that >> would refine the LiveClairvoyance search. Unfortunately, when I do >> this I don?t get an error, but I get no results at all. I?m >> putting all of this into my variable, so I stuck in a Message >> statement to confirm that my variable is constructed as I want it. >> Assuming my initial search variable is ?Johnson?, this is what the >> message says my variable?s value is: >> >>> Johnson and Status notcontains ?Closed? >> >> The lack of quote marks around Johnson tells me that >> LiveClairvoyance is not handling this search in the way I expect it >> to, and that this construct is not going to get anywhere because it >> doesn?t make any sense to LC. Maybe LC throws quotes around the >> variable before it runs the search, but my extra quotes ruin it. >> >> I have a feeling our Mr. Rea knows the answer to this, for better >> or for worse. Maybe someone else too. I?m all ears. >> >> Scott >> >>> >>> From: Scott Taylor >>> Subject: Live Clairvoyance conundrum >>> >> >>> I?ve been using my own LiveClairvoyance procedure for some time >>> with great success. Now I want to enhance it a bit, and I?m >>> unsure how to work my modification into the LiveClairvoyance syntax. >>> >>> It started out as a simple search to find the search string in the >>> input box in a particular field in the current database. That >>> works fine; what I want to do is add an additional search criterion. >>> >>> In standard search/find language, my current criteria would look >>> like this: >>> >>>> Find MyField contains MyInputValue >>> >>> These criteria fit nicely into the standard LiveClairvoyand >>> arguments; MyField, ?contains? and MyInputValue have very specific >>> correspondents. I want to expand its utility by accomplishing this: >>> >>>> Find MyField contains MyInputValue and AnotherField notcontains >>>> ?aLiteralValue? >>> >>> Can this be done? It would be a huge help in our operation if it >>> could be. >>> >>> Scott >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Qna mailing list >>> Qna at provue.com >>> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at prototek.net Mon Oct 10 09:25:19 2011 From: scott at prototek.net (Scott Taylor) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:25:19 -0700 Subject: Live Clairvoyance conundrum In-Reply-To: <2CFEF2A1-AEED-4D2F-9E60-741296624A15@redhouserecords.com> Message-ID: > > From: C W Frymire > Subject: Re: Live Clairvoyance conundrum > > Sorry, too far behind in my reading..... No problem, thanks for thinking about it. You did point out something I had overlooked, that LiveClairvoyance does provide a way to work with only a subset of records, which would have addressed my situation but introduces too much complexity for my purpose. Fortunately, the best solution could be worked out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at tlwsolutions.com Mon Oct 10 11:43:05 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:43:05 -0400 Subject: Corruption With Super Flash Art Object In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is what I am seeing. I have a link to 2 jpegs, one before I go to the layout with the SFAO then the image of the data after. The corruption only happens with the SFAO on the form. http://www.gomiddleton.com/clients/Before.jpg http://www.gomiddleton.com/clients/After.jpg I have not grouped the database at all even though it looks that way after I view the form with the SFAO. Any ideas what is going on? On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:38 PM, steve middleton wrote: > I am getting an error message that it is corrupt and when I look at the > data in data sheet it is whacked. Lots of hidden character. When I try to > look at a particular field with the corrupt data in it Pan tells me that it > exceeds 32k. > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Robert Ameeti wrote: > >> ** >> What evidence or symptom do you have that tells you that you have data >> corruption? >> >> At 9:34 AM -0400, 10/7/11, steve middleton wrote: >> >> I have a strange thing going on. I have a view as list report that has a >> Group Header, Data and Summary1 tile. As soon as I put a Super Flash Art on >> the report with the code of WEBIMAGE("http://999.999.99/images/art/"+FileNumber+".jpg") >> the data in the database becomes corrupted. Any ideas what could be causing >> this? >> >> >> This is a brand new database created from a text file. I have checked the >> data before I put the Super Flash Art Object on it and all looks good. >> After I put it on the form and then view the form as a list then the data >> becomes toast. I have 6900 records. >> >> >> ** >> >> -- >> >> ** >> >> <><><><><><><><><><><><> >> Robert Ameeti - ePro? >> MailTo:robert at ameeti.net >> (949) 422-6866 FAX (267) 222-6866 >> PC & Mac computer specialist >> >> Age is a very high price to pay for maturity. >> <><><><><><><><><><><><> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Wed Oct 12 13:28:05 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:28:05 +0000 Subject: Printing as PDF Message-ID: A couple of months ago, David Duncan described a method he was using to create PDF files from a Panorama form. He was placing a generic set of print settings, with placeholders for things that would change, in a permanent variable in a custom statement library. His custom statement used replace( functions to replace the placeholders with the desired file name, the form name, and the user name, and then the result would be put into the PrintSettings variable for the form. Once that was done, a Print "" command could be used to save the PDF on the Desktop. He made his files available and I have adapted his custom statement to make one that can save the PDF directly to a folder of your choice. If you include a full or partial path in the FileName parameter, the file will be saved in that folder. If there is no path included, it will be saved in the folder that contains the active database. The file can be downloaded from . After you unzip the file, place it in the Libraries folder, of the Extensions folder, of your Panorama folder. The next time Panorama is launched, the custom statement will be available. Once the library is installed, you can see the statement's documentation by choosing the Custom Statements wizard from the Developer Tools sub-menu of the Wizards menu. Choose _PDFPrinting from the list of libraries, and then click on PDFSETUP in the Statements list. This statement uses the Mac's built in ability to create PDFs, so it cannot be used on Windows. Dave From wahib at gsc2000.com Wed Oct 12 17:57:20 2011 From: wahib at gsc2000.com (Wahib Afyouni) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 04:57:20 +0400 Subject: Printing as PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83F4BFA7-42EA-4722-967B-C5CF03E7CD92@gsc2000.com> Thanks both David Duncan and Dave Thompson. This is a neat solution that, for me, solves a long standing problem. On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:28 AM, Thompson, David wrote: > A couple of months ago, David Duncan described a method he was using to create PDF files from a Panorama form. He was placing a generic set of print settings, with placeholders for things that would change, in a permanent variable in a custom statement library. His custom statement used replace( functions to replace the placeholders with the desired file name, the form name, and the user name, and then the result would be put into the PrintSettings variable for the form. Once that was done, a Print "" command could be used to save the PDF on the Desktop. > > He made his files available and I have adapted his custom statement to make one that can save the PDF directly to a folder of your choice. If you include a full or partial path in the FileName parameter, the file will be saved in that folder. If there is no path included, it will be saved in the folder that contains the active database. > > The file can be downloaded from . After you unzip the file, place it in the Libraries folder, of the Extensions folder, of your Panorama folder. The next time Panorama is launched, the custom statement will be available. > > Once the library is installed, you can see the statement's documentation by choosing the Custom Statements wizard from the Developer Tools sub-menu of the Wizards menu. Choose _PDFPrinting from the list of libraries, and then click on PDFSETUP in the Statements list. > > This statement uses the Mac's built in ability to create PDFs, so it cannot be used on Windows. > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From steve at tlwsolutions.com Fri Oct 14 07:19:26 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:19:26 -0400 Subject: Report Not Printing Completely Message-ID: Hello, I have a report that includes a Super Flash Art Object that is displaying a picture from the disk. I am trying to print a report that is 60 pages. Everything looks great until Page 31. After page 31, all the rest of the pages are blank. Any ideas why? Is this a memory issue? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net Fri Oct 14 07:25:11 2011 From: cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:25:11 -0700 Subject: Report Not Printing Completely In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70469D54-C029-49CC-A461-1EF1D876C57C@qwestoffice.net> I would take a careful look at the data represented for page 31. This sort of thing has happened to me in the past when I had a tiny bit too much data for a particular record. Because I had 'grouped' certain elements/fields on a form, blank pages appeared when a record contained just a little too much data to fit; deleting some of the data fixed my problem. Craig McPherson On Oct 14, 2011, at 7:19 AM, steve middleton wrote: > Hello, > > I have a report that includes a Super Flash Art Object that is displaying a picture from the disk. I am trying to print a report that is 60 pages. Everything looks great until Page 31. After page 31, all the rest of the pages are blank. > > Any ideas why? Is this a memory issue? > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From JC at JamesCook.biz Fri Oct 14 09:46:52 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:46:52 -0400 Subject: Report Not Printing Completely In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23976E1C-3282-4832-8151-E3952885DFFD@JamesCook.biz> I've made a few reports regarding a similar scenario. In my case, maybe yours too, it involves expand/shrink on some of the tiles and objects. No matter what I try, the full report never prints, but I can select the records that got omitted and print them separately. My impression is that somehow the number of pages is being mis-calculated in the spooling. I'm well convinced that it's not data related. On Oct 14, 2011, at 10:19 AM, steve middleton wrote: > I have a report that includes a Super Flash Art Object that is displaying a picture from the disk. I am trying to print a report that is 60 pages. Everything looks great until Page 31. After page 31, all the rest of the pages are blank. > James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at tlwsolutions.com Fri Oct 14 09:50:18 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:50:18 -0400 Subject: Report Not Printing Completely In-Reply-To: <70469D54-C029-49CC-A461-1EF1D876C57C@qwestoffice.net> References: <70469D54-C029-49CC-A461-1EF1D876C57C@qwestoffice.net> Message-ID: Another issue. I have a report I am trying to create. The database is grouped first by Customer Name, then by Product Number using the group up command. I then propagate the field for the picture reference. My Report is set up with Group Header 1 for the Customer Name, Group Header 2 for the Product Number which also has the Product Picture SFAO. I then have a data tile for the order detail, how many orders, date etc. I then have a Summary Tile 1 and Summary Tile 2. I am not getting the expected results. The first Product Number for a customer does not have the picture. The remaining products do. I have tried everything I can think of. Here is link to a picture of the result I am getting. http://www.gomiddleton.com/clients/Report.jpg You can see at the top of the report there is no picture. For what ever it is worth, when I view outline level from the sort menu item it lists the summary records in this order. Data 1 - ProductNumber 2 - Customer Name 3 - Grand Total. This is not the order that I created the summary records. I created them as described above. What am I missing? On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Craig McPherson < cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net> wrote: > I would take a careful look at the data represented for page 31. This sort > of thing has happened to me in the past when I had a tiny bit too much data > for a particular record. Because I had 'grouped' certain elements/fields on > a form, blank pages appeared when a record contained just a little too much > data to fit; deleting some of the data fixed my problem. > Craig McPherson > On Oct 14, 2011, at 7:19 AM, steve middleton wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I have a report that includes a Super Flash Art Object that is displaying > a picture from the disk. I am trying to print a report that is 60 pages. > Everything looks great until Page 31. After page 31, all the rest of the > pages are blank. > > > > Any ideas why? Is this a memory issue? > > > > Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Qna mailing list > > Qna at provue.com > > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From csw at me.com Fri Oct 14 09:57:29 2011 From: csw at me.com (Chris Watts) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:57:29 -0700 Subject: Report Not Printing Completely In-Reply-To: References: <70469D54-C029-49CC-A461-1EF1D876C57C@qwestoffice.net> Message-ID: <01D90730-3657-49C2-852F-4FB9AEA5BC3C@me.com> In "report preferences" there is an option for 72 dpi printing. Try toggling this (to whatever it isn't, i always forget) and printing again. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2011, at 9:50 AM, steve middleton wrote: > Another issue. I have a report I am trying to create. > > The database is grouped first by Customer Name, then by Product Number using the group up command. I then propagate the field for the picture reference. My Report is set up with Group Header 1 for the Customer Name, Group Header 2 for the Product Number which also has the Product Picture SFAO. I then have a data tile for the order detail, how many orders, date etc. I then have a Summary Tile 1 and Summary Tile 2. > > I am not getting the expected results. The first Product Number for a customer does not have the picture. The remaining products do. > > I have tried everything I can think of. Here is link to a picture of the result I am getting. > > http://www.gomiddleton.com/clients/Report.jpg > > You can see at the top of the report there is no picture. > > For what ever it is worth, when I view outline level from the sort menu item it lists the summary records in this order. > > Data > 1 - ProductNumber > 2 - Customer Name > 3 - Grand Total. > > This is not the order that I created the summary records. I created them as described above. > > What am I missing? > > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Craig McPherson wrote: > I would take a careful look at the data represented for page 31. This sort of thing has happened to me in the past when I had a tiny bit too much data for a particular record. Because I had 'grouped' certain elements/fields on a form, blank pages appeared when a record contained just a little too much data to fit; deleting some of the data fixed my problem. > Craig McPherson > On Oct 14, 2011, at 7:19 AM, steve middleton wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I have a report that includes a Super Flash Art Object that is displaying a picture from the disk. I am trying to print a report that is 60 pages. Everything looks great until Page 31. After page 31, all the rest of the pages are blank. > > > > Any ideas why? Is this a memory issue? > > > > Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Qna mailing list > > Qna at provue.com > > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net Fri Oct 14 10:06:48 2011 From: cdpublishing at qwestoffice.net (Craig McPherson) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:06:48 -0700 Subject: Report Not Printing Completely-Other issue In-Reply-To: References: <70469D54-C029-49CC-A461-1EF1D876C57C@qwestoffice.net> Message-ID: wouldn't you use GroupUp first, then GroupUpWithin for the Product Number? Craig McPherson On Oct 14, 2011, at 9:50 AM, steve middleton wrote: > Another issue. I have a report I am trying to create. > > The database is grouped first by Customer Name, then by Product Number using the group up command. I then propagate the field for the picture reference. My Report is set up with Group Header 1 for the Customer Name, Group Header 2 for the Product Number which also has the Product Picture SFAO. I then have a data tile for the order detail, how many orders, date etc. I then have a Summary Tile 1 and Summary Tile 2. > > I am not getting the expected results. The first Product Number for a customer does not have the picture. The remaining products do. > > I have tried everything I can think of. Here is link to a picture of the result I am getting. > > http://www.gomiddleton.com/clients/Report.jpg > > You can see at the top of the report there is no picture. > > For what ever it is worth, when I view outline level from the sort menu item it lists the summary records in this order. > > Data > 1 - ProductNumber > 2 - Customer Name > 3 - Grand Total. > > This is not the order that I created the summary records. I created them as described above. > > What am I missing? > > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Craig McPherson wrote: > I would take a careful look at the data represented for page 31. This sort of thing has happened to me in the past when I had a tiny bit too much data for a particular record. Because I had 'grouped' certain elements/fields on a form, blank pages appeared when a record contained just a little too much data to fit; deleting some of the data fixed my problem. > Craig McPherson > On Oct 14, 2011, at 7:19 AM, steve middleton wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I have a report that includes a Super Flash Art Object that is displaying a picture from the disk. I am trying to print a report that is 60 pages. Everything looks great until Page 31. After page 31, all the rest of the pages are blank. > > > > Any ideas why? Is this a memory issue? > > > > Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Qna mailing list > > Qna at provue.com > > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at abernackie.com Fri Oct 14 10:44:53 2011 From: mark at abernackie.com (Mark Terry) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:44:53 -0400 Subject: Report Not Printing Completely In-Reply-To: References: <70469D54-C029-49CC-A461-1EF1D876C57C@qwestoffice.net> Message-ID: <2CC62D8E-9291-4E0F-9F9A-05B3318BC18A@abernackie.com> On Oct 14, 2011, at 12:50 PM, steve middleton wrote: > The database is grouped first by Customer Name, then by Product > Number using the group up command. I then propagate the field for > the picture reference. Try a PropagateUp command here instead (or maybe in addition to??) M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Fri Oct 14 10:51:01 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:51:01 +0000 Subject: Report Not Printing Completely In-Reply-To: References: <70469D54-C029-49CC-A461-1EF1D876C57C@qwestoffice.net>, Message-ID: When you grouped first by customer name, the summary records for those groups were initially level 1 summaries, and the grand total summary was level 2. When you then grouped by product number, that grouping took place within the customer name groups, and product number summaries became the level 1 summaries, the customer name summaries became level 2, and the grand total became level 3. Only one level of group header tile prints at the head of a group. The first record of a level 2 group is also the first record of the first level 1 group within it. In this case, only the level 2 header will print. For the remaining groups within it, the level 1 header is the only one that will print. Despite what you said, I think you must have put the picture on the level 1 header, and the customer's name on the level 2. To get the picture to appear for the first product number for a customer, make the level 2 header taller, and then copy the objects you have on your level 1 header onto the level 2 header. Dave ________________________________ From: steve middleton [steve at tlwsolutions.com] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:50 AM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Re: Report Not Printing Completely Another issue. I have a report I am trying to create. The database is grouped first by Customer Name, then by Product Number using the group up command. I then propagate the field for the picture reference. My Report is set up with Group Header 1 for the Customer Name, Group Header 2 for the Product Number which also has the Product Picture SFAO. I then have a data tile for the order detail, how many orders, date etc. I then have a Summary Tile 1 and Summary Tile 2. I am not getting the expected results. The first Product Number for a customer does not have the picture. The remaining products do. I have tried everything I can think of. Here is link to a picture of the result I am getting. http://www.gomiddleton.com/clients/Report.jpg You can see at the top of the report there is no picture. For what ever it is worth, when I view outline level from the sort menu item it lists the summary records in this order. Data 1 - ProductNumber 2 - Customer Name 3 - Grand Total. This is not the order that I created the summary records. I created them as described above. What am I missing? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From steve at tlwsolutions.com Fri Oct 14 11:20:18 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:20:18 -0400 Subject: Report Not Printing Completely In-Reply-To: References: <70469D54-C029-49CC-A461-1EF1D876C57C@qwestoffice.net> Message-ID: I appreciate the suggestions. I switched the 72 dpi, no change. I also tried what David suggested and now the image only prints once for each customer, not at all for each product with in each customer. This all seems so counter intuitive. I simply want a report grouped by customer, then each product that customer orders with a picture and then a list of orders for that Item. Customer (Group Header 1) --------- Product with a picture (Group Header 2) --------- Orders for that product which include QTY, QTY On Hand, PO and Date. (Data) ---------- Total Qty for Product. The Outline Level Dialog Shows ---------- Data 1- ProductNumber 2- Customer Name 3 - Grand Total Is my report set up incorrectly? Any other suggestions? On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Thompson, David wrote: > When you grouped first by customer name, the summary records for those > groups were initially level 1 summaries, and the grand total summary was > level 2. When you then grouped by product number, that grouping took place > within the customer name groups, and product number summaries became the > level 1 summaries, the customer name summaries became level 2, and the grand > total became level 3. > > Only one level of group header tile prints at the head of a group. The > first record of a level 2 group is also the first record of the first level > 1 group within it. In this case, only the level 2 header will print. For the > remaining groups within it, the level 1 header is the only one that will > print. > > Despite what you said, I think you must have put the picture on the level > 1 header, and the customer's name on the level 2. To get the picture to > appear for the first product number for a customer, make the level 2 header > taller, and then copy the objects you have on your level 1 header onto the > level 2 header. > > Dave > ------------------------------ > *From:* steve middleton [steve at tlwsolutions.com] > *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2011 11:50 AM > *To:* Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) > *Subject:* Re: Report Not Printing Completely > > Another issue. I have a report I am trying to create. > > The database is grouped first by Customer Name, then by Product Number > using the group up command. I then propagate the field for the picture > reference. My Report is set up with Group Header 1 for the Customer Name, > Group Header 2 for the Product Number which also has the Product Picture > SFAO. I then have a data tile for the order detail, how many orders, date > etc. I then have a Summary Tile 1 and Summary Tile 2. > > I am not getting the expected results. The first Product Number for a > customer does not have the picture. The remaining products do. > > I have tried everything I can think of. Here is link to a picture of > the result I am getting. > > http://www.gomiddleton.com/clients/Report.jpg > > You can see at the top of the report there is no picture. > > For what ever it is worth, when I view outline level from the sort menu > item it lists the summary records in this order. > > Data > 1 - ProductNumber > 2 - Customer Name > 3 - Grand Total. > > This is not the order that I created the summary records. I created them > as described above. > > What am I missing? > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Fri Oct 14 11:34:30 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:34:30 +0000 Subject: Report Not Printing Completely In-Reply-To: References: <70469D54-C029-49CC-A461-1EF1D876C57C@qwestoffice.net> , Message-ID: It sounds like you moved those objects off the level 1 tile onto the level 2, rather than copy them. If the level 2 header is the only one that has them, then that will be the only place they print. Look at the bottom half of page 1153 in the Panorama Handbook. Maybe it will make more sense when you see an example. Dave ________________________________ From: steve middleton [steve at tlwsolutions.com] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 1:20 PM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Re: Report Not Printing Completely I appreciate the suggestions. I switched the 72 dpi, no change. I also tried what David suggested and now the image only prints once for each customer, not at all for each product with in each customer. This all seems so counter intuitive. I simply want a report grouped by customer, then each product that customer orders with a picture and then a list of orders for that Item. Customer (Group Header 1) --------- Product with a picture (Group Header 2) --------- Orders for that product which include QTY, QTY On Hand, PO and Date. (Data) ---------- Total Qty for Product. The Outline Level Dialog Shows ---------- Data 1- ProductNumber 2- Customer Name 3 - Grand Total Is my report set up incorrectly? Any other suggestions? On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Thompson, David > wrote: When you grouped first by customer name, the summary records for those groups were initially level 1 summaries, and the grand total summary was level 2. When you then grouped by product number, that grouping took place within the customer name groups, and product number summaries became the level 1 summaries, the customer name summaries became level 2, and the grand total became level 3. Only one level of group header tile prints at the head of a group. The first record of a level 2 group is also the first record of the first level 1 group within it. In this case, only the level 2 header will print. For the remaining groups within it, the level 1 header is the only one that will print. Despite what you said, I think you must have put the picture on the level 1 header, and the customer's name on the level 2. To get the picture to appear for the first product number for a customer, make the level 2 header taller, and then copy the objects you have on your level 1 header onto the level 2 header. Dave ________________________________ From: steve middleton [steve at tlwsolutions.com] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:50 AM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Re: Report Not Printing Completely Another issue. I have a report I am trying to create. The database is grouped first by Customer Name, then by Product Number using the group up command. I then propagate the field for the picture reference. My Report is set up with Group Header 1 for the Customer Name, Group Header 2 for the Product Number which also has the Product Picture SFAO. I then have a data tile for the order detail, how many orders, date etc. I then have a Summary Tile 1 and Summary Tile 2. I am not getting the expected results. The first Product Number for a customer does not have the picture. The remaining products do. I have tried everything I can think of. Here is link to a picture of the result I am getting. http://www.gomiddleton.com/clients/Report.jpg You can see at the top of the report there is no picture. For what ever it is worth, when I view outline level from the sort menu item it lists the summary records in this order. Data 1 - ProductNumber 2 - Customer Name 3 - Grand Total. This is not the order that I created the summary records. I created them as described above. What am I missing? _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Fri Oct 14 12:26:45 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:26:45 +0000 Subject: Report Not Printing Completely In-Reply-To: References: <70469D54-C029-49CC-A461-1EF1D876C57C@qwestoffice.net> , Message-ID: It should be ************************************************************* Customer --------- Product with a picture ************************************************************* (Group Header 2) ************************************************************* --------- Product with a picture ************************************************************* (Group Header 1) ******************************************************************************* --------- Orders for that product which include QTY, QTY On Hand, PO and Date. ******************************************************************************* ( Data) **************************************************************** ---------- Total Qty for Product. **************************************************************** ( Summary 1) **************************************************************** **************************************************************** (Summary 2) ________________________________ From: qna-bounces at provue.com [qna-bounces at provue.com] on behalf of steve middleton [steve at tlwsolutions.com] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 1:20 PM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Re: Report Not Printing Completely I simply want a report grouped by customer, then each product that customer orders with a picture and then a list of orders for that Item. Customer (Group Header 1) --------- Product with a picture (Group Header 2) --------- Orders for that product which include QTY, QTY On Hand, PO and Date. (Data) ---------- Total Qty for Product. The Outline Level Dialog Shows ---------- Data 1- ProductNumber 2- Customer Name 3 - Grand Total Is my report set up incorrectly? Any other suggestions? On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Thompson, David > wrote: When you grouped first by customer name, the summary records for those groups were initially level 1 summaries, and the grand total summary was level 2. When you then grouped by product number, that grouping took place within the customer name groups, and product number summaries became the level 1 summaries, the customer name summaries became level 2, and the grand total became level 3. Only one level of group header tile prints at the head of a group. The first record of a level 2 group is also the first record of the first level 1 group within it. In this case, only the level 2 header will print. For the remaining groups within it, the level 1 header is the only one that will print. Despite what you said, I think you must have put the picture on the level 1 header, and the customer's name on the level 2. To get the picture to appear for the first product number for a customer, make the level 2 header taller, and then copy the objects you have on your level 1 header onto the level 2 header. Dave ________________________________ From: steve middleton [steve at tlwsolutions.com] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:50 AM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Re: Report Not Printing Completely Another issue. I have a report I am trying to create. The database is grouped first by Customer Name, then by Product Number using the group up command. I then propagate the field for the picture reference. My Report is set up with Group Header 1 for the Customer Name, Group Header 2 for the Product Number which also has the Product Picture SFAO. I then have a data tile for the order detail, how many orders, date etc. I then have a Summary Tile 1 and Summary Tile 2. I am not getting the expected results. The first Product Number for a customer does not have the picture. The remaining products do. I have tried everything I can think of. Here is link to a picture of the result I am getting. http://www.gomiddleton.com/clients/Report.jpg You can see at the top of the report there is no picture. For what ever it is worth, when I view outline level from the sort menu item it lists the summary records in this order. Data 1 - ProductNumber 2 - Customer Name 3 - Grand Total. This is not the order that I created the summary records. I created them as described above. What am I missing? _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at tlwsolutions.com Fri Oct 14 12:40:30 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:40:30 -0400 Subject: Report Not Printing Completely In-Reply-To: References: <70469D54-C029-49CC-A461-1EF1D876C57C@qwestoffice.net> Message-ID: I switched to this format and it seems to be working now. Thank you for patiently helping. I will tweak the layout and confirm all is working now as expected. Thank you to all who helped. On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Thompson, David wrote: > It should be > ************************************************************* > Customer > > --------- Product with a picture > ************************************************************* > (Group Header 2) > > > ************************************************************* > --------- Product with a picture > ************************************************************* > (Group Header 1) > > > > ******************************************************************************* > --------- Orders for that product which include > QTY, QTY On Hand, PO and Date. > > ******************************************************************************* > ( Data) > > > **************************************************************** > ---------- Total Qty for Product. > **************************************************************** > ( Summary 1) > > > **************************************************************** > **************************************************************** > (Summary 2) > ------------------------------ > *From:* qna-bounces at provue.com [qna-bounces at provue.com] on behalf of steve > middleton [steve at tlwsolutions.com] > *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2011 1:20 PM > > *To:* Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) > *Subject:* Re: Report Not Printing Completely > > I simply want a report grouped by customer, then each product that > customer orders with a picture and then a list of orders for that Item. > > Customer (Group Header 1) > > --------- Product with a picture (Group Header 2) > > --------- Orders for that product which include > QTY, QTY On Hand, PO and Date. (Data) > > ---------- Total Qty for Product. > > The Outline Level Dialog Shows > > ---------- Data > 1- ProductNumber > 2- Customer Name > 3 - Grand Total > > Is my report set up incorrectly? Any other suggestions? > > > > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Thompson, David wrote: > >> When you grouped first by customer name, the summary records for those >> groups were initially level 1 summaries, and the grand total summary was >> level 2. When you then grouped by product number, that grouping took place >> within the customer name groups, and product number summaries became the >> level 1 summaries, the customer name summaries became level 2, and the grand >> total became level 3. >> >> Only one level of group header tile prints at the head of a group. The >> first record of a level 2 group is also the first record of the first level >> 1 group within it. In this case, only the level 2 header will print. For the >> remaining groups within it, the level 1 header is the only one that will >> print. >> >> Despite what you said, I think you must have put the picture on the >> level 1 header, and the customer's name on the level 2. To get the picture >> to appear for the first product number for a customer, make the level 2 >> header taller, and then copy the objects you have on your level 1 header >> onto the level 2 header. >> >> Dave >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* steve middleton [steve at tlwsolutions.com] >> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2011 11:50 AM >> *To:* Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) >> *Subject:* Re: Report Not Printing Completely >> >> Another issue. I have a report I am trying to create. >> >> The database is grouped first by Customer Name, then by Product Number >> using the group up command. I then propagate the field for the picture >> reference. My Report is set up with Group Header 1 for the Customer Name, >> Group Header 2 for the Product Number which also has the Product Picture >> SFAO. I then have a data tile for the order detail, how many orders, date >> etc. I then have a Summary Tile 1 and Summary Tile 2. >> >> I am not getting the expected results. The first Product Number for a >> customer does not have the picture. The remaining products do. >> >> I have tried everything I can think of. Here is link to a picture of >> the result I am getting. >> >> http://www.gomiddleton.com/clients/Report.jpg >> >> You can see at the top of the report there is no picture. >> >> For what ever it is worth, when I view outline level from the sort menu >> item it lists the summary records in this order. >> >> Data >> 1 - ProductNumber >> 2 - Customer Name >> 3 - Grand Total. >> >> This is not the order that I created the summary records. I created >> them as described above. >> >> What am I missing? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bruce_de_benedictis at mac.com Fri Oct 14 12:41:20 2011 From: bruce_de_benedictis at mac.com (Bruce De Benedictis) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:41:20 -0700 Subject: Report Not Printing Completely In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On the possibility of it being a memory issue: Are you printing to a laser printer with too little memory? I have had problems with that in the past. Does it print correctly to a PDF? You should preview it both using Panorama's preview and the preview in the Print dialog. Bruce De Benedictis > Hello, > > I have a report that includes a Super Flash Art Object that is displaying a > picture from the disk. I am trying to print a report that is 60 pages. > Everything looks great until Page 31. After page 31, all the rest of the > pages are blank. > > Any ideas why? Is this a memory issue? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From allen at macprosolutions.com Sat Oct 15 08:32:19 2011 From: allen at macprosolutions.com (Allen Cleaton) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:32:19 -0400 Subject: QBB file Message-ID: <9A8B0DBE-3F57-4832-8A19-074503CCAF3A@macprosolutions.com> I have a client who is in Quickbooks for windows. I would like to covert their file which has a .qbb extension. First it seems the financial wizard doesn't support this type of file. Secondly the file is 39MB and I get a file too large error. Any suggestions as to how I might accomplish a conversion? 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First it seems the financial wizard doesn't support this type of file. Secondly the file is 39MB and I get a file too large error. > > Any suggestions as to how I might accomplish a conversion? > > > Allen Cleaton > allen at macprosolutions.com > MacPro Solutions > We're here to help > > 8026A W Broad St Richmond VA 23294 > 705 W Main St Charlottesville VA 22903 > > Virginia's Apple Specialist > Winner of Apples Commitment to Excellence Award > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Secondly the file > is 39MB and I get a file too large error. > > Any suggestions as to how I might accomplish a conversion? > > > Allen Cleaton > allen at macprosolutions.com > MacPro Solutions > We're here to help > > 8026A W Broad St Richmond VA 23294 > 705 W Main St Charlottesville VA 22903 > > Virginia's Apple Specialist > Winner of Apples Commitment to Excellence Award > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arcadia.holdings at me.com Sat Oct 15 11:23:21 2011 From: arcadia.holdings at me.com (Arcadia Holdings Ltd) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 07:23:21 +1300 Subject: QBB file In-Reply-To: <9A8B0DBE-3F57-4832-8A19-074503CCAF3A@macprosolutions.com> References: <9A8B0DBE-3F57-4832-8A19-074503CCAF3A@macprosolutions.com> Message-ID: <535DF2E7-3CEA-4328-AC91-3D2D2DE997A9@me.com> I have converted an older solution of QB windows to Moneyworks for Mac last financial year. I Exported the files using the QB export feature then changed the .IIF to .CSV and imported into Panorama. I think the QBB file is proprietary as a back up only, though not sure. John-Paul On 16/10/2011, at 4:32 AM, Allen Cleaton wrote: > I have a client who is in Quickbooks for windows. I would like to covert their file which has a .qbb extension. First it seems the financial wizard doesn't support this type of file. Secondly the file is 39MB and I get a file too large error. > > Any suggestions as to how I might accomplish a conversion? > > > Allen Cleaton > allen at macprosolutions.com > MacPro Solutions > We're here to help > > 8026A W Broad St Richmond VA 23294 > 705 W Main St Charlottesville VA 22903 > > Virginia's Apple Specialist > Winner of Apples Commitment to Excellence Award > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at stillpoint.us Sat Oct 15 11:23:58 2011 From: scott at stillpoint.us (Scott Corbett) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:23:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: QBB file In-Reply-To: <9A8B0DBE-3F57-4832-8A19-074503CCAF3A@macprosolutions.com> References: <9A8B0DBE-3F57-4832-8A19-074503CCAF3A@macprosolutions.com> Message-ID: <0E263A00-DC9B-41B4-8AA6-F7DC32318013@stillpoint.us> I'm using Macs exclusively, but I do output financial data to import to quickbooks. The QB formats are (so I've heard and seen) notoriously cumbersome to work with. I use a Mac utility from Big Red Consulting that translates my Panorama text file output to QB format for importing. Maybe you can find a similar utility that does the translation you wish for. I recall it took me a while to get things figured out when I set this up some years ago. Scott On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Allen Cleaton wrote: > I have a client who is in Quickbooks for windows. I would like to covert their file which has a .qbb extension. First it seems the financial wizard doesn't support this type of file. Secondly the file is 39MB and I get a file too large error. > > Any suggestions as to how I might accomplish a conversion? > > > Allen Cleaton > allen at macprosolutions.com > MacPro Solutions > We're here to help > > 8026A W Broad St Richmond VA 23294 > 705 W Main St Charlottesville VA 22903 > > Virginia's Apple Specialist > Winner of Apples Commitment to Excellence Award > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna Scott R. Corbett, D.O. Stillpoint Osteopathic, Ltd. www.stillpoint.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Importing to Excel uses the tab-separated IIF format to divide the QB lists into columns with headers that might be used for field names in a Pan database. 5. Assuming you use Excel, modify the lists, divide them into separate sections (for example, Chart of Accounts, Venders, Customers, etc.), then save them as tab- or comma-separate text files. 6. Then use the Pan import wizard to create new Pan databases from the text files. On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Scott Corbett wrote: > I'm using Macs exclusively, but I do output financial data to import to > quickbooks. The QB formats are (so I've heard and seen) notoriously > cumbersome to work with. I use a Mac utility from Big Red Consulting that > translates my Panorama text file output to QB format for importing. Maybe > you can find a similar utility that does the translation you wish for. I > recall it took me a while to get things figured out when I set this up some > years ago. > > Scott > > On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Allen Cleaton wrote: > > I have a client who is in Quickbooks for windows. I would like to covert > their file which has a .qbb extension. First it seems the financial wizard > doesn't support this type of file. Secondly the file is 39MB and I get a > file too large error. > > Any suggestions as to how I might accomplish a conversion? > > > Allen Cleaton > allen at macprosolutions.com > MacPro Solutions > We're here to help > > 8026A W Broad St Richmond VA 23294 > 705 W Main St Charlottesville VA 22903 > > Virginia's Apple Specialist > Winner of Apples Commitment to Excellence Award > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > Scott R. Corbett, D.O. > Stillpoint Osteopathic, Ltd. > www.stillpoint.us > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > -- Jay Schille -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at tlwsolutions.com Mon Oct 17 14:27:25 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:27:25 -0400 Subject: Exporting Line Items Message-ID: Hello, I am trying to export the line items from a database as described on Page 415 of the Formulas & Programming guide. export "Items",?Invoice#?+?+str(Qty?)+?+Description?+?+str(Price?)+?+str(Total?)+? My code is. export "Items",str(?InvoiceNumber?)+?+CustomerName+?+datepattern(InvoiceDate,"MM/DD/YY")+?+str(JobNumber?)+?+str(Qty?)+?+ProductNumber?+?+ProductDescription? +?+str(PricePerUnit?)+?+str(PriceUnits?)+?+str(LineAmount?)+? The results are only 1 record per invoice instead of multiple records. What am I missing? Thanks Steve Middleton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jk at acaciasystems.com Mon Oct 17 14:42:24 2011 From: jk at acaciasystems.com (Jeff Kozuch) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:42:24 -0700 Subject: Exporting Line Items In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I am trying to export the line items from a database as described on > Page 415 of the Formulas & Programming guide. > > The results are only 1 record per invoice instead of multiple > records. What am I missing? Do you have any other fields that are numbered, such as Address1, Address2? As I recall, when exporting line items, all other non line item fields must be unique with no numbers at the end. 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For example if the database contains Address1, Address2, Qty1, Qty2, Qty3, Qty4, Qty5 the line? item export feature will not work." ________________________________ From: steve middleton To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 5:27:25 PM Subject: Exporting Line Items Hello, I am trying to export the line items from a database as described on Page 415 of the Formulas & Programming guide. export "Items",?Invoice#?+?+str(Qty?)+?+Description?+?+str(Price?)+?+str(Total?)+? My code is. export "Items",str(?InvoiceNumber?)+?+CustomerName+?+datepattern(InvoiceDate,"MM/DD/YY")+?+str(JobNumber?)+?+str(Qty?)+?+ProductNumber?+?+ProductDescription? +?+str(PricePerUnit?)+?+str(PriceUnits?)+?+str(LineAmount?)+? The results are only 1 record per invoice instead of multiple records. ?What am I missing? Thanks Steve Middleton _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at tlwsolutions.com Mon Oct 17 16:43:30 2011 From: steve at tlwsolutions.com (steve middleton) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 19:43:30 -0400 Subject: Exporting Line Items In-Reply-To: <1318889248.25563.YahooMailNeo@web38703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1318889248.25563.YahooMailNeo@web38703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jack and Jeff, I did read that part but your questions prompted me to double check my database and yes, my database has some other line item fields that are less than the ones I was exporting. Thank you. I made some changes and it works great. Steve Middleton On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jack Lazariuk wrote: > You did read the part that says? "Warning: The line item export feature > will only work if all the line item ?elds in the database have the same > number of line items. If some line item ?elds have more line items than > others, only a single record will be > exported. For example if the database contains Address1, Address2, Qty1, > Qty2, Qty3, Qty4, Qty5 the line > item export feature will not work." > > ------------------------------ > *From:* steve middleton > *To:* Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) > *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2011 5:27:25 PM > *Subject:* Exporting Line Items > > Hello, > > I am trying to export the line items from a database as described on Page > 415 of the Formulas & Programming guide. > > export > "Items",?Invoice#?+?+str(Qty?)+?+Description?+?+str(Price?)+?+str(Total?)+? > > My code is. > > export > "Items",str(?InvoiceNumber?)+?+CustomerName+?+datepattern(InvoiceDate,"MM/DD/YY")+?+str(JobNumber?)+?+str(Qty?)+?+ProductNumber?+?+ProductDescription? > +?+str(PricePerUnit?)+?+str(PriceUnits?)+?+str(LineAmount?)+? > > The results are only 1 record per invoice instead of multiple records. > What am I missing? > > Thanks > > Steve Middleton > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willardm1947 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 18 08:22:24 2011 From: willardm1947 at yahoo.com (willard martin) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 08:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Twenty year project In-Reply-To: <4E8F39FE.1060104@centerofcreation.com> References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> <4E8F39FE.1060104@centerofcreation.com> Message-ID: <1318951344.27433.YahooMailNeo@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I first started using Panorama in 1992. I have been working on the same project ever since. Now, with the help of Jim Cook putting it on the internet, I finally have a product. ? I know of no better place to get honest feedback than this forum. ?If any of your loved ones could use a program for developing early reading/spelling skills let me know and I'll see to it you get as many free copies as you might use. basiceducationalproducts.com _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sleeper at omsoft.com Tue Oct 18 14:22:05 2011 From: sleeper at omsoft.com (Alan C. Miller) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:22:05 -0700 Subject: Panorama Calendar Graphic Failure Message-ID: 10.6.8 w/5.5.2 Using Panorama calendar as I have for years. Suddenly today, any date that already has an entry cannot be changed, except in the data sheet, except when you go back to the calendar graphic, the information in the field is changed back to what is shown on the calendar again. Other cells that have no information are editable. WTF is going on? How do I fix this? I use this as my daily calendar, and right now am resorting to sticky notes taped to my laptop. --Alan C. Miller, Davis, CA Note: I don't know if this is relevant or not, but I just transferred to a new Mac Book Pro 13", and after a couple of weeks of use it has gone loopy on me. Very quickly it breaks down to where the spinning pizza of death spins until you can't force quit and have to hold down the on button. Settings aren't found, weird things happen with graphics, and it runs like molasses. I can't reinstall the system because the install disk doesn't see the hard drive. Anyway, I don't know if that's related. From jayschille at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 15:33:35 2011 From: jayschille at gmail.com (Jay Schille) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:33:35 -0700 Subject: Twenty year project In-Reply-To: <1318951344.27433.YahooMailNeo@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> <4E8F39FE.1060104@centerofcreation.com> <1318951344.27433.YahooMailNeo@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Willard, I can provide feedback but your Website doesn't show any free tryout options for your program. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 8:22 AM, willard martin wrote: > I first started using Panorama in 1992. I have been working on the same > project ever since. Now, with the help of Jim Cook putting it on the > internet, I finally have a product. > > I know of no better place to get honest feedback than this forum. If any > of your loved ones could use a program for developing early > reading/spelling skills let me know and I'll see to it you get as many free > copies as you might use. > > basiceducationalproducts.com > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > -- Jay Schille -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From acm at omsoft.com Tue Oct 18 15:45:13 2011 From: acm at omsoft.com (Alan C. Miller) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:45:13 -0700 Subject: Panorama Calendar Graphic Failure Message-ID: 10.6.8 w/5.5.2 Using Panorama calendar as I have for years. Suddenly today, any date that already has an entry cannot be changed, except in the data sheet, except when you go back to the calendar graphic, the information in the field is changed back to what is shown on the calendar again. Other cells that have no information are editable. WTF is going on? How do I fix this? I use this as my daily calendar, and right now am resorting to sticky notes taped to my laptop. --Alan C. Miller, Davis, CA Note: I don't know if this is relevant or not, but I just transferred to a new Mac Book Pro 13", and after a couple of weeks of use it has gone loopy on me. Very quickly it breaks down to where the spinning pizza of death spins until you can't force quit and have to hold down the on button. Settings aren't found, weird things happen with graphics, and it runs like molasses. I can't reinstall the system because the install disk doesn't see the hard drive. Anyway, I don't know if that's related. From jayschille at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 17:01:26 2011 From: jayschille at gmail.com (Jay Schille) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:01:26 -0700 Subject: Panorama Calendar Graphic Failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would check out and fixing your underlying "loopy" problems before even attempting debugging your calendar. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Alan C. Miller wrote: > 10.6.8 w/5.5.2 > > Using Panorama calendar as I have for years. Suddenly today, any date that > already has an entry cannot be changed, except in the data sheet, except > when you go back to the calendar graphic, the information in the field is > changed back to what is shown on the calendar again. Other cells that have > no information are editable. > > WTF is going on? How do I fix this? > > I use this as my daily calendar, and right now am resorting to sticky notes > taped to my laptop. > > --Alan C. Miller, Davis, CA > > Note: I don't know if this is relevant or not, but I just transferred to a > new Mac Book Pro 13", and after a couple of weeks of use it has gone loopy > on me. Very quickly it breaks down to where the spinning pizza of death > spins until you can't force quit and have to hold down the on button. > Settings aren't found, weird things happen with graphics, and it runs like > molasses. I can't reinstall the system because the install disk doesn't see > the hard drive. Anyway, I don't know if that's related. > ______________________________**_________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/**listinfo/qna > -- Jay Schille -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sleeper at omsoft.com Tue Oct 18 17:05:43 2011 From: sleeper at omsoft.com (Alan C. Miller) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:05:43 -0700 Subject: Panorama Calendar Graphic Failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just reinstalled Snow Leopard to no avail. >I would check out and fixing your underlying "loopy" problems >before even attempting debugging your calendar. > >On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Alan C. Miller ><acm at omsoft.com> wrote: > >10.6.8 w/5.5.2 > >Using Panorama calendar as I have for years. Suddenly today, any >date that already has an entry cannot be changed, except in the data >sheet, except when you go back to the calendar graphic, the >information in the field is changed back to what is shown on the >calendar again. Other cells that have no information are editable. > >WTF is going on? How do I fix this? > >I use this as my daily calendar, and right now am resorting to >sticky notes taped to my laptop. > >--Alan C. Miller, Davis, CA > >Note: I don't know if this is relevant or not, but I just >transferred to a new Mac Book Pro 13", and after a couple of weeks >of use it has gone loopy on me. Very quickly it breaks down to >where the spinning pizza of death spins until you can't force quit >and have to hold down the on button. Settings aren't found, weird >things happen with graphics, and it runs like molasses. I can't >reinstall the system because the install disk doesn't see the hard >drive. Anyway, I don't know if that's related. >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > > >-- >Jay Schille > >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jayschille at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 17:11:04 2011 From: jayschille at gmail.com (Jay Schille) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:11:04 -0700 Subject: Panorama Calendar Graphic Failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And is the computer still sluggish? Does Disk Utility give your hard drive a passing grade? Is your RAM OK? On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Alan C. Miller wrote: > ** > I just reinstalled Snow Leopard to no avail. > > > I would check out and fixing your underlying "loopy" problems before even > attempting debugging your calendar. > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Alan C. Miller wrote: > > 10.6.8 w/5.5.2 > > Using Panorama calendar as I have for years. Suddenly today, any date that > already has an entry cannot be changed, except in the data sheet, except > when you go back to the calendar graphic, the information in the field is > changed back to what is shown on the calendar again. Other cells that have > no information are editable. > > WTF is going on? How do I fix this? > > I use this as my daily calendar, and right now am resorting to sticky notes > taped to my laptop. > > --Alan C. Miller, Davis, CA > > Note: I don't know if this is relevant or not, but I just transferred to a > new Mac Book Pro 13", and after a couple of weeks of use it has gone loopy > on me. Very quickly it breaks down to where the spinning pizza of death > spins until you can't force quit and have to hold down the on button. > Settings aren't found, weird things happen with graphics, and it runs like > molasses. I can't reinstall the system because the install disk doesn't see > the hard drive. Anyway, I don't know if that's related. > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > > > -- > Jay Schille > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > -- Jay Schille -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harbourvet at mac.com Tue Oct 18 17:24:27 2011 From: harbourvet at mac.com (John Kuttel) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:24:27 -0700 Subject: Panorama Calendar Graphic Failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you or have you added additional RAM installed in the new Mac.... Sounds like a bad RAM issue (as some third party RAM will cause a Loopy-Mac behavior) Try starting up in safe mode and see if the hard disk is recognized? Re-seat the Ram modules as maybe they got giggled loose some how. On Oct 18, 2011, at 5:11 PM, Jay Schille wrote: > And is the computer still sluggish? Does Disk Utility give your hard drive a passing grade? Is your RAM OK? > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Alan C. Miller wrote: > I just reinstalled Snow Leopard to no avail. > > >> I would check out and fixing your underlying "loopy" problems before even attempting debugging your calendar. >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Alan C. Miller wrote: >> 10.6.8 w/5.5.2 >> >> Using Panorama calendar as I have for years. Suddenly today, any date that already has an entry cannot be changed, except in the data sheet, except when you go back to the calendar graphic, the information in the field is changed back to what is shown on the calendar again. Other cells that have no information are editable. >> >> WTF is going on? How do I fix this? >> >> I use this as my daily calendar, and right now am resorting to sticky notes taped to my laptop. >> >> --Alan C. Miller, Davis, CA >> >> Note: I don't know if this is relevant or not, but I just transferred to a new Mac Book Pro 13", and after a couple of weeks of use it has gone loopy on me. Very quickly it breaks down to where the spinning pizza of death spins until you can't force quit and have to hold down the on button. Settings aren't found, weird things happen with graphics, and it runs like molasses. I can't reinstall the system because the install disk doesn't see the hard drive. Anyway, I don't know if that's related. >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> >> >> >> -- >> Jay Schille >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > > > -- > Jay Schille > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sleeper at omsoft.com Tue Oct 18 18:39:24 2011 From: sleeper at omsoft.com (Alan C. Miller) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:39:24 -0700 Subject: Panorama Calendar Graphic Failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >And is the computer still sluggish? Seems a little sluggish, but hasn't slowed to non-movement yet . . . but just installed Rosetta and I'm still installing updates forward from the install disk versions. BTW, I meant "no avail" as in the graphic object in the calendar still appeared 'corrupt' or whatever is causing this. >Does Disk Utility give your hard drive a passing grade? Yes, as does self check (command-S) on startup, also zapped pram, did Shift-start, and option-shift-something start. >Is your RAM OK? I have yet to run apples hardware check long-version, so that question remains unaswered. And if this didn't do it I'll also do a clean install. Thanks for asking! --acm, Davis > >On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Alan C. Miller ><sleeper at omsoft.com> wrote: > >I just reinstalled Snow Leopard to no avail. > > >>I would check out and fixing your underlying "loopy" problems >>before even attempting debugging your calendar. >> >On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Alan C. Miller ><acm at omsoft.com> wrote: > >10.6.8 w/5.5.2 > >Using Panorama calendar as I have for years. Suddenly today, any >date that already has an entry cannot be changed, except in the data >sheet, except when you go back to the calendar graphic, the >information in the field is changed back to what is shown on the >calendar again. Other cells that have no information are editable. > >WTF is going on? How do I fix this? > >I use this as my daily calendar, and right now am resorting to >sticky notes taped to my laptop. > >--Alan C. Miller, Davis, CA > >Note: I don't know if this is relevant or not, but I just >transferred to a new Mac Book Pro 13", and after a couple of weeks >of use it has gone loopy on me. Very quickly it breaks down to >where the spinning pizza of death spins until you can't force quit >and have to hold down the on button. Settings aren't found, weird >things happen with graphics, and it runs like molasses. I can't >reinstall the system because the install disk doesn't see the hard >drive. Anyway, I don't know if that's related. >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > > >-- >Jay Schille > > >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > > >-- >Jay Schille > >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sleeper at omsoft.com Tue Oct 18 18:43:02 2011 From: sleeper at omsoft.com (Alan C. Miller) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:43:02 -0700 Subject: Panorama Calendar Graphic Failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Did you or have you added additional RAM installed in the new Mac.... Why yes, replaced the Apple RAM with 8GB from Other World Computing. >Sounds like a bad RAM issue (as some third party RAM will cause a >Loopy-Mac behavior) >Try starting up in safe mode and see if the hard disk is recognized? I was able to get the disc recognized and reinstall the system a couple hours ago. >Re-seat the Ram modules as maybe they got giggled loose some how. I'll try that, though I was very careful installing those . . . but . . . --acm, Davis > >On Oct 18, 2011, at 5:11 PM, Jay Schille wrote: > >>And is the computer still sluggish? Does Disk Utility give your >>hard drive a passing grade? Is your RAM OK? >> >>On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Alan C. Miller >><sleeper at omsoft.com> wrote: >> >>I just reinstalled Snow Leopard to no avail. >> >> >>>I would check out and fixing your underlying "loopy" problems >>>before even attempting debugging your calendar. >>> >>On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Alan C. Miller >><acm at omsoft.com> wrote: >> >>10.6.8 w/5.5.2 >> >>Using Panorama calendar as I have for years. Suddenly today, any >>date that already has an entry cannot be changed, except in the >>data sheet, except when you go back to the calendar graphic, the >>information in the field is changed back to what is shown on the >>calendar again. Other cells that have no information are editable. >> >>WTF is going on? How do I fix this? >> >>I use this as my daily calendar, and right now am resorting to >>sticky notes taped to my laptop. >> >>--Alan C. Miller, Davis, CA >> >>Note: I don't know if this is relevant or not, but I just >>transferred to a new Mac Book Pro 13", and after a couple of weeks >>of use it has gone loopy on me. Very quickly it breaks down to >>where the spinning pizza of death spins until you can't force quit >>and have to hold down the on button. Settings aren't found, weird >>things happen with graphics, and it runs like molasses. I can't >>reinstall the system because the install disk doesn't see the hard >>drive. Anyway, I don't know if that's related. >>_______________________________________________ >>Qna mailing list >>Qna at provue.com >>http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Jay Schille >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Qna mailing list >>Qna at provue.com >>http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Qna mailing list >>Qna at provue.com >>http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Jay Schille >>_______________________________________________ >>Qna mailing list >>Qna at provue.com >>http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JC at JamesCook.biz Tue Oct 18 19:00:06 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:00:06 -0400 Subject: Twenty year project In-Reply-To: <1318951344.27433.YahooMailNeo@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> <4E8F39FE.1060104@centerofcreation.com> <1318951344.27433.YahooMailNeo@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just to clarify my role, Willard has put together a substantial system to help kids with their reading skills. He wanted to put it on the market, but didn't know how to control the access and licensing. I added a process to the Initialize that makes each launched copy check with Panorama Enterprise on his web site to see if the copy is licensed and if the subscription has time remaining. His web designer then hooked her pages to the Enterprise processes I created, through which the server controls the access and creation of accounts. When you log in or sign up, you're in Panorama's hands with dynamically generated pages pertinent to your activities. Through the site, teachers can buy bundles of licenses and dole them out to their students, giving each one an individual password to run their desktop copy. Purchases can be made through PayPal or by a Purchase Order to Willard. He has a desktop "cockpit" that allows him to access all of the online data to monitor or modify any and all of it. It's a tight little system and I look forward to seeing Willard get his reward for those twenty years. On Oct 18, 2011, at 11:22 AM, willard martin wrote: > I first started using Panorama in 1992. I have been working on the same project ever since. Now, with the help of Jim Cook putting it on the internet, I finally have a product. James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From csw at me.com Wed Oct 19 01:50:22 2011 From: csw at me.com (Chris Watts) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 01:50:22 -0700 Subject: Twenty year project In-Reply-To: References: <50003B64-ABF8-442C-B2AE-6459D335B584@abernackie.com> <4E8F39FE.1060104@centerofcreation.com> <1318951344.27433.YahooMailNeo@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <52702F82-85F9-4E25-9EDB-D39CDA503D61@me.com> That just sounds awesome! Congrats! On Oct 18, 2011, at 7:00 PM, James Cook wrote: > > Just to clarify my role, Willard has put together a substantial system to help kids with their reading skills. He wanted to put it on the market, but didn't know how to control the access and licensing. > > I added a process to the Initialize that makes each launched copy check with Panorama Enterprise on his web site to see if the copy is licensed and if the subscription has time remaining. > > His web designer then hooked her pages to the Enterprise processes I created, through which the server controls the access and creation of accounts. When you log in or sign up, you're in Panorama's hands with dynamically generated pages pertinent to your activities. > > Through the site, teachers can buy bundles of licenses and dole them out to their students, giving each one an individual password to run their desktop copy. Purchases can be made through PayPal or by a Purchase Order to Willard. He has a desktop "cockpit" that allows him to access all of the online data to monitor or modify any and all of it. > > It's a tight little system and I look forward to seeing Willard get his reward for those twenty years. > > > On Oct 18, 2011, at 11:22 AM, willard martin wrote: >> I first started using Panorama in 1992. I have been working on the same project ever since. Now, with the help of Jim Cook putting it on the internet, I finally have a product. > > > > James Cook > JC at JamesCook.biz > > Founder of HindSight Ltd. > http://HSLtd.us > > Panorama Tutoring > Custom Panorama Applications > Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It seemed to work for awhile, and then it happened again, but only on some dates, not others. So what is happening, intermittently, is that there is an entry in a calendar date. I change it, and the new entry becomes a second record for that date in the database, but the first record is displayed on the calendar instead, so the new information is "hidden" in the undisplayed record. Is anyone out there familiar with the Panorama calendar and how it works, that could explain such intermittent behavior? === Computer Behavior === The computer seemed to be working OK after I installed the system, but after sleeping overnight I got the spinning pizza of death for 1/2 hour, so I shut it down, and it wouldn't recognize the hard drive until I zapped the pram. If this is RAM, as several have suspected, is there a test that works? Is Apple's hardware test disc adequate? I seem to remember years ago ProVue had a RAM tester. I don't know if there still is one, and if it works on today's computers . . . ??? --acm, Davis, CA From jim at provue.com Wed Oct 19 11:18:33 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:18:33 -0700 Subject: FIND ACTION IN LION In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/19/11 at 9:21 AM, stbtom at gmail.com (Tom Reis) wrote: >In 10.7 Lion, the find will not go to the current field when bringing up the >find dialog (it doe in 10.6 Snow Leopard). Is there a fix for this? There is no difference between 10.6 and 10.7, but there is a preference that controls whether the find dialog defaults to the current field. Perhaps when you moved to a different OS (or machine?) you did not also transfer the preferences. To change this, open the General Preferences and switch the default search from "all fields" to "current field". You may also want to check the "reset search criteria" option, which causes the find dialog to always start from scratch each time you open it, similar to the way Panorama 5.5 and earlier worked. Jim From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Wed Oct 19 11:49:00 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:49:00 +0000 Subject: Panorama Calendar Graphic Failure In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: The .CalendarEdit procedure that puts your entries in the database is pretty short. find Date=calDate if (not info("found")) addrecord Date=calDate endif Notes=TextEditingResult >From what you are describing, it sounds like the Find isn't finding the record. The only reason I can think of for that would be for some subset of the database, which did not include that date, to be selected. That didn't use to be possible, because the calendar has a custom search menu that doesn't include Find/Select or Formula Find/Select. With Panorama 6 however, those commands have been moved to the Records menu, and it is possible. Put a SelectAll at the top of that procedure, and I'll bet the problem goes away. Dave ________________________________________ From: Alan C. Miller [sleeper at omsoft.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:33 AM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Re: Panorama Calendar Graphic Failure QNA-- === Panorama Calendar === I did quite a bit of digging through the calendar, and found the dates that had been giving me trouble had duplicate record entries! So I found the most up-to-date of each and omitted those. It seemed to work for awhile, and then it happened again, but only on some dates, not others. So what is happening, intermittently, is that there is an entry in a calendar date. I change it, and the new entry becomes a second record for that date in the database, but the first record is displayed on the calendar instead, so the new information is "hidden" in the undisplayed record. Is anyone out there familiar with the Panorama calendar and how it works, that could explain such intermittent behavior? === Computer Behavior === The computer seemed to be working OK after I installed the system, but after sleeping overnight I got the spinning pizza of death for 1/2 hour, so I shut it down, and it wouldn't recognize the hard drive until I zapped the pram. If this is RAM, as several have suspected, is there a test that works? Is Apple's hardware test disc adequate? I seem to remember years ago ProVue had a RAM tester. I don't know if there still is one, and if it works on today's computers . . . ??? --acm, Davis, CA _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From rabemarsh at mac.com Wed Oct 19 12:26:11 2011 From: rabemarsh at mac.com (Marsh Rabe) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:26:11 -0400 Subject: File Permission utiltity snafu Message-ID: <500ACA8D-BB24-4685-BD5F-8D3D54C91DF4@mac.com> I "fixed" both system and Panorama file permissions with the "File Permissions" utility, and that royally screwed up the system on my laptop. The line of Finder menus was partially blanked out; Microsoft Word would no longer accept images (error message: insufficient memory) although there was 14 GB of memory left; and Panorama files had menus blanked out and took excessive time to open. I tried to fix by running the real "Disk Utility," which ran for 50 minutes and did nothing to fix the problems. I then ran DiskWarrior, which seemed to fix most system problems, but the Panorama files were acting strangely. The DiskWarrior report said: ? 1 folder had a directory entry with an incorrect custom icon flag that was repaired. ? Incorrect values in the Volume Information were repaired. ? Critical values in the Volume Information were incorrect and were repaired. Panorama did not work at all well. Menus along the left side of the window were blanked out, procedures did not work, and the graphics on superobjects were gone (but the superobject did work when I clicked where it used to be.) So I reinstalled Snow Leopard, reinstalled Panorama 6 after trashing every file that had "panorama"or "provue" in the name (except my database files), and ran DiskWarrior and Disk Utility again. I found that I could once again use the program: the procedures worked again, but the menus were still blanked out and there were no superobject graphics. Please tell me how I can fix these problems. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sleeper at omsoft.com Wed Oct 19 12:40:34 2011 From: sleeper at omsoft.com (Alan C. Miller) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:40:34 -0700 Subject: Panorama Calendar Graphic Failure In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Dave-- Thanks, you are always a great resource. I will try what you suggest with adding the selectall. However, I haven't yet changed to Pano 6 . . . It used to be if you moved from a cell before closing it in the calendar, the entry would disappear, so I asked of the QNA list how to fix, and someone gave me a procedure to fix it, however that was 6-7 years ago I think, so I'm not sure what is "non-standard" anymore. It could be that is the problem, but it never caused any trouble all these years. --acm >The .CalendarEdit procedure that puts your entries in the database >is pretty short. > >find Date=calDate >if (not info("found")) > addrecord > Date=calDate >endif >Notes=TextEditingResult > >>From what you are describing, it sounds like the Find isn't finding >>the record. The only reason I can think of for that would be for >>some subset of the database, which did not include that date, to be >>selected. That didn't use to be possible, because the calendar has >>a custom search menu that doesn't include Find/Select or Formula >>Find/Select. With Panorama 6 however, those commands have been >>moved to the Records menu, and it is possible. > >Put a SelectAll at the top of that procedure, and I'll bet the >problem goes away. > >Dave >________________________________________ >From: Alan C. Miller [sleeper at omsoft.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:33 AM >To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) >Subject: Re: Panorama Calendar Graphic Failure > >QNA-- > >=== Panorama Calendar === > >I did quite a bit of digging through the calendar, and found the >dates that had been giving me trouble had duplicate record entries! >So I found the most up-to-date of each and omitted those. > >It seemed to work for awhile, and then it happened again, but only on >some dates, not others. > >So what is happening, intermittently, is that there is an entry in a >calendar date. I change it, and the new entry becomes a second >record for that date in the database, but the first record is >displayed on the calendar instead, so the new information is "hidden" >in the undisplayed record. > >Is anyone out there familiar with the Panorama calendar and how it >works, that could explain such intermittent behavior? > > >=== Computer Behavior === > >The computer seemed to be working OK after I installed the system, >but after sleeping overnight I got the spinning pizza of death for >1/2 hour, so I shut it down, and it wouldn't recognize the hard drive >until I zapped the pram. > >If this is RAM, as several have suspected, is there a test that >works? Is Apple's hardware test disc adequate? I seem to remember >years ago ProVue had a RAM tester. I don't know if there still is >one, and if it works on today's computers . . . ??? > > >--acm, Davis, CA >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From stbtom at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 12:53:48 2011 From: stbtom at gmail.com (Tom Reis) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:53:48 -0700 Subject: FIND ACTION IN LION In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Sent from my iPhone Tom Reis On Oct 19, 2011, at 11:18 AM, James Rea wrote: > On 10/19/11 at 9:21 AM, stbtom at gmail.com (Tom Reis) wrote: > >> In 10.7 Lion, the find will not go to the current field when bringing up the >> find dialog (it doe in 10.6 Snow Leopard). Is there a fix for this? > > There is no difference between 10.6 and 10.7, but there is a preference that controls whether the find dialog defaults to the current field. Perhaps when you moved to a different OS (or machine?) you did not also transfer the preferences. > > To change this, open the General Preferences and switch the default search from "all fields" to "current field". You may also want to check the "reset search criteria" option, which causes the find dialog to always start from scratch each time you open it, similar to the way Panorama 5.5 and earlier worked. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From jim at provue.com Wed Oct 19 15:48:39 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:48:39 -0700 Subject: File Permission utiltity snafu In-Reply-To: <500ACA8D-BB24-4685-BD5F-8D3D54C91DF4@mac.com> Message-ID: On 10/19/11 at 12:26 PM, rabemarsh at mac.com (Marsh Rabe) wrote: >I "fixed" both system and Panorama file permissions with the >"File Permissions" utility >I tried to fix by running the real "Disk Utility," When you use this wizard to fix Panorama file permissions, it only touches: 1) files in the Panorama folder (inside the Application folder) 2) files in the Panorama subfolder of the Application Support folder 3) databases listed in the Recent Databases wizard. It does not touch any other file. And for the files that it does touch, all it does is make sure that the files are "owned" by you, so that you can read or write them. The contents of the files are not touched at all. Using this wizard to fix system permissions actually invokes Apple's command line version of Disk Utility. In other words, Panorama doesn't duplicate Apple's code, it actually uses Apple's code. In fact, according to Apple's documentation when you use the Disk Utility program it actually invokes this command line program, just as Panorama does. So there is ZERO difference between invoking this from Panorama or invoking it via the Disk Utility program. Actually, the problems you are encountering don't sound like permission problems at all. Usually if there are permission problems you'll get errors like "you can't do that" or "you don't have permission to do that", that sort of thing. I think you must have had some serious problem with your system before you started all of this. >I found that I could once again use the program: the procedures worked again, but the menus were still blanked out and there were no superobject graphics. >Please tell me how I can fix these problems. Sorry, but I have no idea. I think there still must be something wrong with your system. Did you reformat the drive before re-installing Snow Leopard? If not, I think that would be a good idea. Also, what do you mean by menus "blanked out"? Are the menus gone completely? Are they there but empty? Oh wait, you say "on the left side", so I think you mean the tool palette. So basically no images are appearing. So I think for some reason your system cannot display PICT images. These days few programs use PICT images, so it's quite possible Panorama is the only program displaying the problem even though it is a system problem. Unfortunately, I have never heard of such a problem and have no idea how to diagnose it. Perhaps there is a problem with your computer's graphic card. An OS problem would seem more likely, though perhaps not since you re-installed the OS already. Did you do that from a CD or clean source, or from a backup? If from a backup, I think you should do a clean install. Jim Rea From jk at acaciasystems.com Wed Oct 19 17:32:54 2011 From: jk at acaciasystems.com (Jeff Kozuch) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:32:54 -0700 Subject: Re-Share option In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If I do a new sharing generation and check "re-share and re-upload", everything usually goes fine. If I create a new sharing generation make some changes then try to re-share, the" Re-Share Database" option is never available. I always have to "Apply Changes" and replace the existing shared database. Has this happened to anyone else? I have not ever been able to do this for years of updates. 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To initially set up a flexible full-fileld contacts file in PAN, the documentation (in Handbook, around page 236) suggests that it's possible to set up a generalised set of Database fields (with PhType1, Phone1, etc) in column 1 and then messily drag each over the corresponding Generic Fields in column 2. Well, I don't want to have to learn all about repeating fields, and work out (guess) all the generalised fields that should go in column 1. Presumably many people have done this already, so where can I find a full list of all the fields that should go in column 1, and is there a Procedure I can get to drag the correct fields from column 1 to column 2? Then, once it's set up, I'd like to have the PAN Contacts file updated with changes made in Mac Address Book, and vice versa. (In my mind, I'd like to call this syncing them, but that's not PAN terminology). Sure, I could drag vCards back and forth each tile something changed in either version, but here too this must be the sort of feature that lots of users want, so is there a procedure that does it (eg keep track of changes, and update them in the other version before each PAN Save)? I do appreciate PAN's underlying smart architecture, range of features and flexibility. But I just want to use it to run my business, and need some tools (and supporting documentation) to get on with the job without having to invest too much time re-inventing wheels that lots of other users must have already built. thanks for your help From kjmeyer at mac.com Thu Oct 20 00:45:18 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:45:18 +0200 Subject: Connecting PAN Contacts file to Mac Address Book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E30BFBF-2F01-48D5-A43D-CF976B2E71C4@mac.com> Michael, it looks pretty much like you would like to have OS X Address Book and your Panorama "Contacts" file synced by iCloud. Sorry, but it does not work that way. If you do not want to manually set up the "Generic Fields" once in order to be able to connect the (various and variable) fields of Address Book with your Panorama database, then I recommend a different approach: You buy a utility named "Export Address Book" in the Mac App Store. It exports your Address Book data as a CSV file that you can import in Panorama directly without the hassle of configuring. O.K., it does no sync back from your Panorama database to the OS X Address Book, but it can help to keep your Panorama database up to date with the Address Book. Kurt Am 20.10.2011 um 06:24 schrieb Michael Muetzelfeldt: > Excuse this novice question, but how do I get a flexible full-field version of my Mac Address Book into a PAN Contacts file, and then keep the 2 versions updated with changes made in the other one? > > To initially set up a flexible full-fileld contacts file in PAN, the documentation (in Handbook, around page 236) suggests that it's possible to set up a generalised set of Database fields (with PhType1, Phone1, etc) in column 1 and then messily drag each over the corresponding Generic Fields in column 2. Well, I don't want to have to learn all about repeating fields, and work out (guess) all the generalised fields that should go in column 1. Presumably many people have done this already, so where can I find a full list of all the fields that should go in column 1, and is there a Procedure I can get to drag the correct fields from column 1 to column 2? > > Then, once it's set up, I'd like to have the PAN Contacts file updated with changes made in Mac Address Book, and vice versa. (In my mind, I'd like to call this syncing them, but that's not PAN terminology). Sure, I could drag vCards back and forth each tile something changed in either version, but here too this must be the sort of feature that lots of users want, so is there a procedure that does it (eg keep track of changes, and update them in the other version before each PAN Save)? > > I do appreciate PAN's underlying smart architecture, range of features and flexibility. But I just want to use it to run my business, and need some tools (and supporting documentation) to get on with the job without having to invest too much time re-inventing wheels that lots of other users must have already built. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skane-l at skaneco.com Thu Oct 20 09:56:12 2011 From: skane-l at skaneco.com (Steve Kane) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 11:56:12 -0500 Subject: Connecting PAN Contacts file to Mac Address Book In-Reply-To: <0E30BFBF-2F01-48D5-A43D-CF976B2E71C4@mac.com> References: <0E30BFBF-2F01-48D5-A43D-CF976B2E71C4@mac.com> Message-ID: <2D7BCED9-E54C-4232-A40D-2068D273B1AA@skaneco.com> >> Am 20.10.2011 um 06:24 schrieb Michael Muetzelfeldt: >> >> Excuse this novice question, but how do I get a flexible full-field version of my Mac Address Book into a PAN Contacts file, and then keep the 2 versions updated with changes made in the other one? On Oct 20, 2011, at 2:45 AM, Kurt J. Meyer wrote: > it looks pretty much like you would like to have OS X Address Book and your Panorama "Contacts" file synced by iCloud. Sorry, but it does not work that way. Because of the convenience of syncing with our iPhones, I am all in with Apple's Address Book and unfortunately, now use PowerTeam's Phone Book merely as an archive. But, Apple's Address Book is very limited. I hope ProVUE or a third party produces a Pan db (or some sort of module or whatever) that displays the contents of the Apple Address Book, allows the use of Pans familiar sophisticated tools for sorts, searches, fills, formula fills, procedures, printing, etc and then writes back to the Apple Address Book file, so that the Mac OS can do all the usual mobileme or iCloud syncing from the Address Book's file. I don't have the skill or confidence to mess with AppleScripts or whatever to interact with Address Book or its file. From beauche at roadrunner.com Thu Oct 20 16:01:34 2011 From: beauche at roadrunner.com (George Beauchemin) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 16:01:34 -0700 Subject: How to put Null Data into a Numeric Field Message-ID: I am duplicating a record and then giving it a new record number, creation date, and some other jazz. I also want to initialize some fields that I want as Null. I am doing this to simply retain information that does not change and then ADD information in the new record that does change vs. the original record that I duplicated. In text fields I just write the equation: > ;Field ?Text1? > ?Text?=?? > For Numeric Fields: > > ;Field ?Numeric1?=0 > ?Numeric1?=0 I tried: ?Numeric1?=?? But I get an error so I am forced to use: ?Numeric1?=0 I don?t want a zero in the initialized Numeric Field but a Blank, nothing, Null Data. This has got to be simple but I am stymied. Thanks. Best Regards, George He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a fool forever. 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I am doing this to simply retain information that does not change and then ADD information in the new record that does change vs. the original record that I duplicated. > > In text fields I just write the equation: > >> ;Field ?Text1? >> ?Text?=?? >> > For Numeric Fields: >> >> ;Field ?Numeric1?=0 >> ?Numeric1?=0 > > I tried: > > ?Numeric1?=?? > > But I get an error so I am forced to use: > > ?Numeric1?=0 > > I don?t want a zero in the initialized Numeric Field but a Blank, nothing, Null Data. > > This has got to be simple but I am stymied. > > Thanks. > > > Best Regards, > > George > > He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a fool forever. Chinese Proverb > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Does that impact Panorama Enterprise? I have installed Enterprise on 10.7 and the only problem I encountered was that all client Macs had to be on 10.5 or greater. Clients on 10.4.11 could not see the server. Jeff Jeff Kozuch President, Acacia Systems Panorama Programming and Training Apple Certified Technical Coordinator Certified Member, Apple Consultants Network jk at acaciasystems.com http://www.acaciasystems.com 562-437-7690 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JC at JamesCook.biz Fri Oct 21 12:59:27 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:59:27 -0400 Subject: Delete Folder Message-ID: We can make folders, copy folders and find out all sorts of things about them. But short of using AppleScript, does anyone know of a way for a procedure to delete folders. 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But short of using AppleScript, does anyone know of a way for a procedure to delete folders. > > James Cook > JC at JamesCook.biz > > Founder of HindSight Ltd. > http://HSLtd.us > > Panorama Tutoring > Custom Panorama Applications > Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pchance at quickdata.com Fri Oct 21 14:10:03 2011 From: pchance at quickdata.com (pchance at quickdata.com) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:10:03 -0500 Subject: Delete Folder In-Reply-To: References: <78D55E1C-2EED-443B-B39C-7433E76273D6@yonaites.com> Message-ID: <2a5382cebf90088077d5ed4b391b0fc5.squirrel@www10.qth.com> What would the full command look like in a procedure if I wanted to remove "MyFolder" (and everything in it) where "MyFolder" lives in "ManyFolders"? Does it make a difference if "MyFolder" is in a folder of the database that is already open? That is, the path would start from the currently opened database folder? Thank you, Paul QuickData > Thanks Gary, that's far better than AppleScript as long as I don't misfire > and wipe out the entire HD. ;-) > > > On Oct 21, 2011, at 4:21 PM, Gary Yonaites wrote: > >> I know you can do this using the unix command rm -R which will remove >> the folder and everything within it. > > James Cook > Jim at JamesCook.biz > 616.928.2221 > > http://JamesCook.biz > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From gary at yonaites.com Fri Oct 21 15:08:38 2011 From: gary at yonaites.com (Gary Yonaites) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:08:38 -0700 Subject: Delete Folder In-Reply-To: <2a5382cebf90088077d5ed4b391b0fc5.squirrel@www10.qth.com> References: <78D55E1C-2EED-443B-B39C-7433E76273D6@yonaites.com> <2a5382cebf90088077d5ed4b391b0fc5.squirrel@www10.qth.com> Message-ID: <33903A17-1B7C-497A-AB17-A6F7313748C0@yonaites.com> Here is an example of the unix command in a procedure. The path is from the root level of your startup volume. local theresult ExecuteUnix {rm -R /Users/garyyonaites/Documents},theresult This would remove my user Documents folder and all the files within...och! The variable theresult wil not return anything but is needed as a parameter. Be careful with this as James pointed out. I find the easiest way to get the proper path is to open a Terminal window and drag the folder in question to the open terminal window and copy the result from there. (Note: to highlight the wanted text in the Terminal you can drag over it while holding down the Command key.) There are a couple of Panorama statements -posixpath( and unixshellpath(- to convert traditional Mac paths to unix paths. The unixshellpath( is the most current. Gary gary at yonaites.com On Oct 21, 2011, at 2:10 PM, pchance at quickdata.com wrote: > What would the full command look like in a procedure if I wanted to remove > "MyFolder" (and everything in it) where "MyFolder" lives in "ManyFolders"? > > Does it make a difference if "MyFolder" is in a folder of the database > that is already open? That is, the path would start from the currently > opened database folder? > > Thank you, > > Paul > QuickData > >> Thanks Gary, that's far better than AppleScript as long as I don't misfire >> and wipe out the entire HD. ;-) >> >> >> On Oct 21, 2011, at 4:21 PM, Gary Yonaites wrote: >> >>> I know you can do this using the unix command rm -R which will remove >>> the folder and everything within it. >> >> James Cook >> Jim at JamesCook.biz >> 616.928.2221 >> >> http://JamesCook.biz >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Fri Oct 21 15:34:16 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:34:16 +0000 Subject: Delete Folder In-Reply-To: <33903A17-1B7C-497A-AB17-A6F7313748C0@yonaites.com> References: <78D55E1C-2EED-443B-B39C-7433E76273D6@yonaites.com> <2a5382cebf90088077d5ed4b391b0fc5.squirrel@www10.qth.com>, <33903A17-1B7C-497A-AB17-A6F7313748C0@yonaites.com> Message-ID: The posixpath( function should produce the same result as nesting a unixshellpath( function within a unixshellstring( function. The unixshellpath( function converts the Mac path with colons to a UNIX path with slashes, but it doesn't escape spaces and other special characters. The unixshellstring( function escapes the characters. The posixpath( function was created for use with the ExecuteUnix statement, and the unixshellpath( function was created for use with the ShellScript statement. Dave ________________________________________ From: Gary Yonaites [gary at yonaites.com] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:08 PM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Re: Delete Folder There are a couple of Panorama statements -posixpath( and unixshellpath(- to convert traditional Mac paths to unix paths. The unixshellpath( is the most current. From JC at JamesCook.biz Fri Oct 21 16:21:39 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:21:39 -0400 Subject: Delete Folder In-Reply-To: <33903A17-1B7C-497A-AB17-A6F7313748C0@yonaites.com> References: <78D55E1C-2EED-443B-B39C-7433E76273D6@yonaites.com> <2a5382cebf90088077d5ed4b391b0fc5.squirrel@www10.qth.com> <33903A17-1B7C-497A-AB17-A6F7313748C0@yonaites.com> Message-ID: <6F4907E7-F7D4-4AE1-BF7D-350739EE9490@JamesCook.biz> On Oct 21, 2011, at 6:08 PM, Gary Yonaites wrote: > ExecuteUnix {rm -R /Users/garyyonaites/Documents},theresult The alternative approach: shellscript |||rm -R /Users/garyyonaites/Documents||| Just be sure your paths are very, very correct. James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stbtom at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 09:59:41 2011 From: stbtom at gmail.com (Tom Reis) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:59:41 -0700 Subject: TYPE MISMATCH Message-ID: This works on Snow Leopard Machine and stopped working on Lion machine. Can anyone tell me where I have a problem. local xMail,xMfg,xCust Field ?STB PO? FindSelect If info("DialogTrigger") CONTAINS "Cancel" AlertCancelOk "No Search Criteria Entered" Stop Endif Field InvoiceStatus xMfg=Manufacturer xCust="Ship Co." Print Dialog SelectAll LastRecord OpenFile "Manufacturers List" FIeld "Show %" Find Name=xMfg xMail=EMail ShellOpenDocument "mailto:"+xMail+"?Subject= ORDER IS ATTACHED &Body=Attn: "+First+" "+Last" Thanks, Tom & Sherry Reis 503 656-1455 office 877 707-5579 efax stbtom at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can anyone tell me where I have a problem. > > local xMail,xMfg,xCust > Field ?STB PO? > FindSelect > If info("DialogTrigger") CONTAINS "Cancel" > AlertCancelOk "No Search Criteria Entered" > Stop > Endif > Field InvoiceStatus > xMfg=Manufacturer > xCust="Ship Co." > Print Dialog > SelectAll > LastRecord > OpenFile "Manufacturers List" > FIeld "Show %" > Find Name=xMfg > xMail=EMail > ShellOpenDocument "mailto:"+xMail+"?Subject= ORDER IS ATTACHED &Body=Attn: "+First+" "+Last" > > Thanks, > > > Tom & Sherry Reis > 503 656-1455 office > 877 707-5579 efax > stbtom at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This looks like it wouldn't work on any system, BTW cw > ShellOpenDocument "mailto:"+xMail+"?Subject= ORDER IS ATTACHED &Body=Attn: "+First+" "+Last" cw On Oct 24, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Tom Reis wrote: > This works on Snow Leopard Machine and stopped working on Lion machine. Can anyone tell me where I have a problem. > > local xMail,xMfg,xCust > Field ?STB PO? > FindSelect > If info("DialogTrigger") CONTAINS "Cancel" > AlertCancelOk "No Search Criteria Entered" > Stop > Endif > Field InvoiceStatus > xMfg=Manufacturer > xCust="Ship Co." > Print Dialog > SelectAll > LastRecord > OpenFile "Manufacturers List" > FIeld "Show %" > Find Name=xMfg > xMail=EMail > ShellOpenDocument "mailto:"+xMail+"?Subject= ORDER IS ATTACHED &Body=Attn: "+First+" "+Last" > > Thanks, > > > Tom & Sherry Reis > 503 656-1455 office > 877 707-5579 efax > stbtom at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This looks like it wouldn't > work on any system, BTW > > cw > > ShellOpenDocument "mailto:"+xMail+"?Subject= ORDER IS ATTACHED &Body=Attn: > "+First+" "+Last" > > > cw > > > On Oct 24, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Tom Reis wrote: > > This works on Snow Leopard Machine and stopped working on Lion machine. > Can anyone tell me where I have a problem. > > local xMail,xMfg,xCust > Field ?STB PO? > FindSelect > If info("DialogTrigger") CONTAINS "Cancel" > AlertCancelOk "No Search Criteria Entered" > Stop > Endif > Field InvoiceStatus > xMfg=Manufacturer > xCust="Ship Co." > Print Dialog > SelectAll > LastRecord > OpenFile "Manufacturers List" > FIeld "Show %" > Find Name=xMfg > xMail=EMail > ShellOpenDocument "mailto:"+xMail+"?Subject= ORDER IS ATTACHED &Body=Attn: > "+First+" "+Last" > > Thanks, > > > Tom & Sherry Reis > 503 656-1455 office > 877 707-5579 efax > stbtom at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rabemarsh at me.com Mon Oct 24 17:58:39 2011 From: rabemarsh at me.com (Marsh Rabe) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:58:39 -0400 Subject: Openfile in another folder Message-ID: <35C19489-0E24-40B6-8AF6-A4DB620F832E@me.com> I want to write a procedure that opens a Panorama file that is not located in the Panorama folder. I have no problem with procedures that open files in the Panorama folder [OpenFile folderpath(info("PanoramaFolder"))+"Database Folder:....."] but when it comes to using the OpenFile command for a file that is not in the Applications folder, but in the Users folder, I hit a brick wall. Most of my attempts result in an error message "Type mismatch:numeric argument used when text was expected." But I AM using text, e.g., OpenFile folderpath("Users")+"rabemarsh:PANORAMA DATABASE FOLDER:STATION LOG" No doubt the procedure is wrong, but I have tried any number of combinations, e.g., OpenFile folderpath(info("Users"))+"Users:rabemarsh:PANORAMA DATABASE FOLDER:STATION LOG" which brings up an "Illegal info() argument." I've gone to the Panorama documentation, but there is no good example of a procedure to open the distant file. Can anyone tell me how to do it? Rabe Marsh From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Mon Oct 24 20:36:42 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 03:36:42 +0000 Subject: Openfile in another folder In-Reply-To: <35C19489-0E24-40B6-8AF6-A4DB620F832E@me.com> References: <35C19489-0E24-40B6-8AF6-A4DB620F832E@me.com> Message-ID: I'm going to assume that the name of your hard drive is Macintosh HD. If it's not, substitute the real name. OpenFile "Macintosh HD:Users:rabemarsh:PANORAMA DATABASE FOLDER:STATION LOG" or you could probably use OpenFile homepath("PANORAMA DATABASE FOLDER:STATION LOG") As you can see from the first example. It isn't necessary to use a function at all, as long as you know the names of the disk, and the folders in the path. Dave ________________________________________ From: Marsh Rabe [rabemarsh at me.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:58 PM To: qna at provue.com Subject: Openfile in another folder I want to write a procedure that opens a Panorama file that is not located in the Panorama folder. I have no problem with procedures that open files in the Panorama folder [OpenFile folderpath(info("PanoramaFolder"))+"Database Folder:....."] but when it comes to using the OpenFile command for a file that is not in the Applications folder, but in the Users folder, I hit a brick wall. Most of my attempts result in an error message "Type mismatch:numeric argument used when text was expected." But I AM using text, e.g., OpenFile folderpath("Users")+"rabemarsh:PANORAMA DATABASE FOLDER:STATION LOG" No doubt the procedure is wrong, but I have tried any number of combinations, e.g., OpenFile folderpath(info("Users"))+"Users:rabemarsh:PANORAMA DATABASE FOLDER:STATION LOG" which brings up an "Illegal info() argument." I've gone to the Panorama documentation, but there is no good example of a procedure to open the distant file. Can anyone tell me how to do it? Rabe Marsh _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From JC at JamesCook.biz Mon Oct 24 20:41:40 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:41:40 -0400 Subject: Openfile in another folder In-Reply-To: <35C19489-0E24-40B6-8AF6-A4DB620F832E@me.com> References: <35C19489-0E24-40B6-8AF6-A4DB620F832E@me.com> Message-ID: <9CE367D6-CC81-40E6-B856-4A66A9750DF7@JamesCook.biz> A simple trick to determine the proper path for any existing database will work for you: message pathstr(dbinfo("folder","")) On Oct 24, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Marsh Rabe wrote: > I want to write a procedure that opens a Panorama file that is not located in the Panorama folder. I have no problem with procedures that open files in the Panorama folder [OpenFile folderpath(info("PanoramaFolder"))+"Database Folder:....."] but when it comes to using the OpenFile command for a file that is not in the Applications folder, but in the Users folder, I hit a brick wall. Most of my attempts result in an error message "Type mismatch:numeric argument used when text was expected." But I AM using text, e.g., OpenFile folderpath("Users")+"rabemarsh:PANORAMA DATABASE FOLDER:STATION LOG" No doubt the procedure is wrong, but I have tried any number of combinations, e.g., OpenFile folderpath(info("Users"))+"Users:rabemarsh:PANORAMA DATABASE FOLDER:STATION LOG" which brings up an "Illegal info() argument." > > I've gone to the Panorama documentation, but there is no good example of a procedure to open the distant file. Can anyone tell me how to do it? > > Rabe Marsh > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vjdif at prodigy.net Tue Oct 25 15:02:29 2011 From: vjdif at prodigy.net (Vic DiFranco) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:02:29 -0500 Subject: Panorama Crashes When Opening Button Message-ID: Hello Everybody, I am running Panorama 6.0.0 on a Macintosh Powerbook under OS 10.4.11. I have a form which contains a button. The button runs a macro, which seems to work correctly, and gives me correct results. The macro uses information from fields on the form, which also seem to be working correctly. However, when I switch to Graphics Design Mode, and double-click the button in order to open it, Panorama crashes. It does so consistently. I know this didn't happen before. So now, there seems to be no way to get to the button parameters, to modify the button type, or options or title, etc. Is this a known problem? Is there a workaround? Has anyone else experienced this? Any ideas of what to do next? Best regards, Vic DiFranco From conable.1 at osu.edu Tue Oct 25 15:37:09 2011 From: conable.1 at osu.edu (William Conable) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:37:09 -0700 Subject: Panorama Crashes When Opening Button In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EA73A15.4060207@osu.edu> Did you try just deleting the button and putting in a new one? Bill Conable -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at prototek.net Tue Oct 25 15:47:20 2011 From: scott at prototek.net (Scott Taylor) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:47:20 -0700 Subject: Panorama Crashes When Opening Button In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have experienced this numerous times, mainly when I?m doing a lot of form and procedure work. Hardly ever if I?m just making a few quick changes. But never over and over again on the same button, usually restarting will cure that one. It is very annoying, and I have no solution except to get lucky. Bill Conable?s suggestion to delete it and start over may help. My experience is that I?ll double click the object to open it and nothing happens. I?ll absently think I didn?t double click it right and do it again, and that?s when I get the beachball, then crash. I know this isn?t much help, but you can feel less alone ;-). Scott > > From: Vic DiFranco > Reply-To: "Panorama Questions & Answers \(Discussion\)" > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:02:29 -0500 > To: qna at provue.com > Subject: Panorama Crashes When Opening Button > > Hello Everybody, > > I am running Panorama 6.0.0 on a Macintosh Powerbook under OS 10.4.11. > > I have a form which contains a button. The button runs a macro, > which seems to work correctly, and gives me correct results. The > macro uses information from fields on the form, which also seem to be > working correctly. > > However, when I switch to Graphics Design Mode, and double-click the > button in order to open it, Panorama crashes. It does so > consistently. I know this didn't happen before. So now, there seems > to be no way to get to the button parameters, to modify the button > type, or options or title, etc. > > Is this a known problem? Is there a workaround? Has anyone else > experienced this? Any ideas of what to do next? > > Best regards, > Vic DiFranco > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at abernackie.com Tue Oct 25 17:37:49 2011 From: mark at abernackie.com (Mark Terry) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:37:49 -0400 Subject: Panorama Crashes When Opening Button In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20F768C8-114D-4F0F-B541-3DA03F0DCFC1@abernackie.com> Check to see if the button is too close to neighboring objects. I had similar problems once when adjacent buttons were too close to each other, and behaved as you describe. Moved them slightly and all was well. M On Oct 25, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Scott Taylor wrote: > I have experienced this numerous times, mainly when I?m doing a lot > of form and procedure work. Hardly ever if I?m just making a few > quick changes. But never over and over again on the same button, > usually restarting will cure that one. It is very annoying, and I > have no solution except to get lucky. Bill Conable?s suggestion to > delete it and start over may help. My experience is that I?ll > double click the object to open it and nothing happens. I?ll > absently think I didn?t double click it right and do it again, and > that?s when I get the beachball, then crash. > > I know this isn?t much help, but you can feel less alone ;-). > > Scott >> >> From: Vic DiFranco >> Reply-To: "Panorama Questions & Answers \(Discussion\)" > > >> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:02:29 -0500 >> To: qna at provue.com >> Subject: Panorama Crashes When Opening Button >> > >> Hello Everybody, >> >> I am running Panorama 6.0.0 on a Macintosh Powerbook under OS >> 10.4.11. >> >> I have a form which contains a button. The button runs a macro, >> which seems to work correctly, and gives me correct results. The >> macro uses information from fields on the form, which also seem to be >> working correctly. >> >> However, when I switch to Graphics Design Mode, and double- >> click the >> button in order to open it, Panorama crashes. It does so >> consistently. I know this didn't happen before. So now, there seems >> to be no way to get to the button parameters, to modify the button >> type, or options or title, etc. >> >> Is this a known problem? Is there a workaround? Has anyone else >> experienced this? Any ideas of what to do next? >> >> Best regards, >> Vic DiFranco >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at provue.com Tue Oct 25 17:54:17 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:54:17 -0700 Subject: Panorama Crashes When Opening Button In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/25/11 at 3:02 PM, vjdif at prodigy.net (Vic DiFranco) wrote: >double-click the button in order to open it, Panorama crashes. Are you using the original button object, or the "newer" superobject buttons? (I put "newer" in quotes because these are now about 16 years old.) There is a crashing bug with the original buttons that sometimes occurs, I suspect this is what you are encountering. I recommend replacing your old buttons with new superobject buttons. Jim From vaugn at oikia-inc.com Wed Oct 26 07:08:00 2011 From: vaugn at oikia-inc.com (vaugn at oikia-inc.com) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:08:00 -0400 Subject: Extra Blank Lines in Printed Report of Summarized Data Message-ID: <37983.1319638080@oikia-inc.com> Easy question: How do I prevent the group summary record from printing an empty data record in my printed report? From vjdif at prodigy.net Wed Oct 26 08:18:35 2011 From: vjdif at prodigy.net (Vic DiFranco) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:18:35 -0500 Subject: Panorama Crashes When Opening Button Message-ID: <2E9FCCB9-6FC6-4436-8819-6F132E5948B8@prodigy.net> Hello Everybody, Thanks to all who responded. Jim nailed it with his suggestion to use the SuperObject "Push Button", instead of the normal "Button" object. The new Push Button is behaving properly (and it looks nicer too). I can't figure out why the old button started to act up now, though. It always worked well in the past. As time permits, I think I'll start to change all my old buttons to the new Push Button. Might be a good general recommendation for everyone. Best regards, Vic DiFranco From kjmeyer at mac.com Wed Oct 26 07:46:16 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:46:16 +0200 Subject: Extra Blank Lines in Printed Report of Summarized Data In-Reply-To: <37983.1319638080@oikia-inc.com> References: <37983.1319638080@oikia-inc.com> Message-ID: <4095B4F5-A23F-43B5-BB48-10C3B3161645@mac.com> Am 26.10.2011 um 16:08 schrieb vaugn at oikia-inc.com: > Easy question: How do I prevent the group summary record from printing an empty data record in my printed report? Easy answer: Before grouping, you select records that are not empty. From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Wed Oct 26 11:12:37 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:12:37 +0000 Subject: Extra Blank Lines in Printed Report of Summarized Data In-Reply-To: <37983.1319638080@oikia-inc.com> References: <37983.1319638080@oikia-inc.com> Message-ID: The group summary record doesn't print a data record, empty or otherwise, so you meant to say something else. If you don't have a summary tile, the data tile will print summary records, as well as data records. If you don't want the summary record to print, put a summary tile on your report. You can give it a height of zero, if you don't want it to take up any space. Dave ________________________________________ From: qna-bounces at provue.com [qna-bounces at provue.com] on behalf of vaugn at oikia-inc.com [vaugn at oikia-inc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:08 AM To: Qna at provue.com Subject: Extra Blank Lines in Printed Report of Summarized Data Easy question: How do I prevent the group summary record from printing an empty data record in my printed report? _______________________________________________ Qna mailing list Qna at provue.com http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From pchance at quickdata.com Wed Oct 26 11:28:15 2011 From: pchance at quickdata.com (pchance at quickdata.com) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:28:15 -0500 Subject: Plse Advise on Menu Stablity Message-ID: <0437dae408d83a3ff217d65207a99328.squirrel@www10.qth.com> On Windows I've been updating some files with Pan v6. I move from the Data Sheet to a New Procedure view, paste in the procedure lines copied from another pan file, and move back to Data Sheet view. The Action menu item appears. Then I copy my new data from its source to the clipboard, click back on the Pan file and click the Action menu. Consistently, it shows the choices of the wizard menu next to it. And when I release the mouse, the menu has changed to Wizard. I have to go to View again, Switch to something like else like Design View, then back to Data View, then the Action menu reappears and stays put so I can use the procedure. Of all operations in Panorama, this "jumpiness" in the menu bar is the most aggravating and embarrassing in demos as it also happens in well established files with moving between two databases. Has anyone come up with a series of steps that "lock" the behavior of Pan's menu bar so it doesn't play, "Now you see it, now you don't", especially with the basic Action menu created when procedures exist? Fixing that behavior would be a great boon for the next V6 interation. Paul QuickData From trackmanpete at comcast.net Wed Oct 26 11:58:53 2011 From: trackmanpete at comcast.net (Pete Schuder) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:58:53 -0400 Subject: Plse Advise on Menu Stablity In-Reply-To: <0437dae408d83a3ff217d65207a99328.squirrel@www10.qth.com> References: <0437dae408d83a3ff217d65207a99328.squirrel@www10.qth.com> Message-ID: <4EA8586D.2020405@comcast.net> I have also had that problem, even back before version 6 on the PC side. Sometimes, the Action menu disappears until I click on a data field and then it will reappear. Haven't tried it on the Mac side yet. Pete Schuder On 10/26/11 2:28 PM, pchance at quickdata.com wrote: > On Windows I've been updating some files with Pan v6. I move from the Data > Sheet to a New Procedure view, paste in the procedure lines copied from > another pan file, and move back to Data Sheet view. > > The Action menu item appears. Then I copy my new data from its source to > the clipboard, click back on the Pan file and click the Action menu. > > Consistently, it shows the choices of the wizard menu next to it. And when > I release the mouse, the menu has changed to Wizard. > > I have to go to View again, Switch to something like else like Design > View, then back to Data View, then the Action menu reappears and stays put > so I can use the procedure. > > Of all operations in Panorama, this "jumpiness" in the menu bar is the > most aggravating and embarrassing in demos as it also happens in well > established files with moving between two databases. > > Has anyone come up with a series of steps that "lock" the behavior of > Pan's menu bar so it doesn't play, "Now you see it, now you don't", > especially with the basic Action menu created when procedures exist? > > Fixing that behavior would be a great boon for the next V6 interation. > > Paul > QuickData > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From pchance at quickdata.com Wed Oct 26 12:29:35 2011 From: pchance at quickdata.com (pchance at quickdata.com) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:29:35 -0500 Subject: Better Memory error message Message-ID: <2d286a62f5570df9277ed82636b07f16.squirrel@www10.qth.com> Considering the number of post concerning the various aspects of Panorama memory, perhaps the warning alert can include advice as to what to change, where, and the command to do it. For example, I was trying to replace a file that had 300K records with an update that had 600K records. the .txt file saved out of Excel is only 100K in size. When I try to Replace (the Use Matching fields appears stuck "on" though I don't need it), I get a "Sorry, not enough memory." error. I figure if Panorama has detected there is not enough memory, it knowes "where" there is not enough memory, maybe even how much is needed, and knowing where, it would know what needs to be adjusted to fix it. As a quick update, the file that gave "not enough memory" was a .txt file saved out of Excel. But I was able - this time - to replace with a CVS file saved from the MS SQL Sever Manager. The New file task 70% of Memory in Use were the previous file took 40%. Total Database Memory is 105MB. I'll go back to previous posts and review the memory setting options and see what I need to adjust. I did close the CVS file and then tried the import Wizard on the .txt file that wouldn't open from the OpenFile menu path. It looks like the import Wizard could read it. I didn't go futher as I already had it from the .cvs verson. So another "wish" for the next V6 is that out of memory messages include where the available memory was short and what command is needed and where it needs to be issued in order to alleviate the problem. Thank you, Paul QuickData From kjmeyer at mac.com Wed Oct 26 14:52:23 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:52:23 +0200 Subject: Extra Blank Lines in Printed Report of Summarized Data In-Reply-To: <52913.1319645180@oikia-inc.com> References: <52913.1319645180@oikia-inc.com> Message-ID: Am 26.10.2011 um 18:06 schrieb vaugn at oikia-inc.com: > Where to I look to stop the extra blank line in each group on the report? I did some testing with one of my files, and I watch the same happening: In my database I do some sorting and grouping. On a form containing these tiles ? Header Group Header (2) Group Header (1) Data Group Sidebar (1) Summary (2) Footer ? in data modus the Data tile shows an additional line with no data. The form prints the grouped data as expected ? but with an additional line of empty data in the data tile area. When I deselect these empty data records, the group info is lost, the groups are not printed separately; all the data are listed under the header of the first group. I think, this is really a bug. The summary line should not show up on the data tile as an empty record. And now I found the reason and the solution: In my case the text area containing the formula used for the display of the data on the data tile was longer than the data tile itself. I adjusted the width of the data tile and made it wider than the text formula. Problem solved. Best regards Kurt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjmeyer at mac.com Wed Oct 26 15:17:00 2011 From: kjmeyer at mac.com (Kurt J. Meyer) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:17:00 +0200 Subject: Extra Blank Lines in Printed Report of Summarized Data In-Reply-To: References: <52913.1319645180@oikia-inc.com> Message-ID: Am 26.10.2011 um 23:52 schrieb Kurt J. Meyer: > And now I found the reason and the solution: In my case the text area containing the formula used for the display of the data on the data tile was longer than the data tile itself. I adjusted the width of the data tile and made it wider than the text formula. Problem solved. Sorry, that was not the cue. Adjusting the width of the data tile did NOT help. Dave's advice is correct: I succeeded finally, when I added a level 1 summary (that was missing on my form). I set the height of this tile to 0. Now the summary line is not printed on the data tile any more. Kurt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at provue.com Wed Oct 26 22:43:54 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:43:54 -0700 Subject: Better Memory error message In-Reply-To: <2d286a62f5570df9277ed82636b07f16.squirrel@www10.qth.com> Message-ID: On 10/26/11 at 12:29 PM, pchance at quickdata.com wrote: >For example, I was trying to replace a file that had 300K records with an >update that had 600K records. the .txt file saved out of Excel is only >100K in size. Something does not compute here. A file with 600,000 records is only 100,000 bytes? That means each record is only 1/6th of a byte? That is impossible, the absolute minimum record size is 1 byte. Anyway, Panorama 6 by default is set for 200 megabytes of database memory. This is enough for all but a handful of applications. Instructions for changing this are in Chapter 1 of the Handbook. Jim From designer at quickdata.com Thu Oct 27 19:09:39 2011 From: designer at quickdata.com (Paul) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:09:39 -0700 Subject: Better Memory error message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EAA0EE3.1030008@quickdata.com> Thank you Jim - looking at the Memory useage, I must have had a unit off. My displays show Total Database Memory 1,048,519, 800. That looks like 1.048GB to me Maybe I made an adjustment somewhere along the way and increased it. I'll check the size of the text file again. I was surprised that I got the memory error trying to import as a .txt but Panorama could import it as a .CVS. At first I thought it was a delimiter issue and Panorama was trying to pour it all into one field of the first record or something like that. But then, the Import Wizard was apparently able to read/see the content of the .txt file. This was on XP with several other programs running on a 2GB machine. I'll be happy when I can do my work on Win 7 or better yet, back on a Mac. There have been a lot of "memory settings" discussions recently and I'll go over them in addition to reading Chapter 1. I plan on leaving BMC in January and they say they will hire me back as a contractor to support their current V10 Health Records system while they convert to V11 from January to June. I'm concerned that they could have me quit, then say they don't have contractor funding. I will have lost unemployment protection because I quit. Or worse they pay me for only six weeks instead of six months and then stop. Then I wouldn't be able to get unemployment or Social Securit (I still have a cap until I'm 66 in 2013). I wish I could trust them but their past payroll shenanigans make me nervous. Anyway, it will be great to have some free time and maybe I can evolve that Tutor program I wrote for COCC to something sell-able. If COCC has used it for 10 years, it must have some value. And I have my "Admin Annex" to the EHR software. I need to get back on that too. We had a Model Train demo locally, I thought of you but I'm guessing around the Huntington Beach area there are far more Model tracks to visit. Paul On 10/26/11 10:43 PM, James Rea wrote: > On 10/26/11 at 12:29 PM, pchance at quickdata.com wrote: > >> For example, I was trying to replace a file that had 300K records >> with an >> update that had 600K records. the .txt file saved out of Excel is only >> 100K in size. > > Something does not compute here. A file with 600,000 records is only > 100,000 bytes? That means each record is only 1/6th of a byte? That is > impossible, the absolute minimum record size is 1 byte. > > Anyway, Panorama 6 by default is set for 200 megabytes of database > memory. This is enough for all but a handful of applications. > Instructions for changing this are in Chapter 1 of the Handbook. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > From jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us Thu Oct 27 18:39:07 2011 From: jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:39:07 -0400 Subject: 2.3 gigabyte file named "RESCUE" - any idea what it is? Message-ID: <772B6DEE-7C40-4966-BF1D-A33B32DC9CEB@state.ga.weo.us> Hello, I have a folder named "Archives" within my Panorama folder which contains 222 small database files (average 60k or so each), which each contain archived deleted records by date from one of our databases. I noticed today within this same "Archives" folder a file named RESCUE which is 2.3 *GIGABYTES* in size. In other words, huge. Many, many times larger than any amount of data I've ever tried to store in Panorama. This file shows a last modified date of 2 days ago. Is there any archiving or backup operation that Panorama may be doing that stored or is storing some sort of data in this RESCUE file? It isn't something I've created or know anything about. It is not a Panorama database file, at least in the Finder it does not have an icon for a databse. I just have no idea what it is, what is in it, or how it got there. I tried opening it in BBEdit but it is too big. I just want to delete it and see if it reappears, but I'm afraid it might be something of some importance. Any ideas...??? Best wishes, - Jeff From mark at abernackie.com Fri Oct 28 04:35:33 2011 From: mark at abernackie.com (Mark Terry) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:35:33 -0400 Subject: 2.3 gigabyte file named "RESCUE" - any idea what it is? In-Reply-To: <772B6DEE-7C40-4966-BF1D-A33B32DC9CEB@state.ga.weo.us> References: <772B6DEE-7C40-4966-BF1D-A33B32DC9CEB@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: <5910A1BF-7E35-48A5-A739-57AF35B14A5C@abernackie.com> I've seen the RESCUE files in corrupt database situations. Panorama would prompt me that the db was corrupt, and that it would attempt to put the data into a text file named RESCUE. Does any of that sound familiar? Take a look and see what's in there. ;) M On Oct 27, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Jeff Gold wrote: > Hello, > > I have a folder named "Archives" within my Panorama folder which > contains 222 small database files (average 60k or so each), which > each contain archived deleted records by date from one of our > databases. > > I noticed today within this same "Archives" folder a file named > RESCUE which is 2.3 *GIGABYTES* in size. In other words, huge. > Many, many times larger than any amount of data I've ever tried to > store in Panorama. This file shows a last modified date of 2 days > ago. > > Is there any archiving or backup operation that Panorama may be > doing that stored or is storing some sort of data in this RESCUE > file? It isn't something I've created or know anything about. > > It is not a Panorama database file, at least in the Finder it does > not have an icon for a databse. I just have no idea what it is, > what is in it, or how it got there. I tried opening it in BBEdit > but it is too big. I just want to delete it and see if it > reappears, but I'm afraid it might be something of some importance. > Any ideas...??? > > Best wishes, > > - Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From jim at provue.com Fri Oct 28 11:49:04 2011 From: jim at provue.com (James Rea) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:49:04 -0700 Subject: 2.3 gigabyte file named "RESCUE" - any idea what it is? In-Reply-To: <772B6DEE-7C40-4966-BF1D-A33B32DC9CEB@state.ga.weo.us> Message-ID: On 10/27/11 at 6:39 PM, jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) wrote: >I noticed today within this same "Archives" folder a file named >RESCUE which is 2.3 *GIGABYTES* in size. As Mark mentioned, Panorama will attempt to create a file named RESCUE when you try to open a corrupted database. It stops and asks you if you want to do this, so I don't know why one would appear without you being aware of the situation. This file should also never be larger than the original database, though I suppose it is possible depending on the corruption in the database. There's no guarantee that the RESCUE file will contain anything useful, and in this case, most likely it doesn't. But if you have a file dumping utility, or perhaps something like BBEdit, you could look at the file and see if you recognize anything. Jim Rea From jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us Fri Oct 28 12:27:00 2011 From: jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:27:00 -0400 Subject: 2.3 gigabyte file named "RESCUE" - any idea what it is? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9530D2BB-52BF-4891-9E7C-BC7F215DC76D@state.ga.weo.us> We did have a power failure (twice) so this must have been when it was generated. I remember the message coming up about saving data, and I just cancelled the rescue process since I had backups to use. Glad to hear that's all it is. I'll delete that now, then. Thanks for your help, Jim and Mark. Best wishes, - Jeff On Oct 28, 2011, at 2:4904 PM, James Rea wrote: > On 10/27/11 at 6:39 PM, jeff_gold at state.ga.weo.us (Jeff Gold) wrote: > >> I noticed today within this same "Archives" folder a file named RESCUE which is 2.3 *GIGABYTES* in size. > > As Mark mentioned, Panorama will attempt to create a file named RESCUE when you try to open a corrupted database. It stops and asks you if you want to do this, so I don't know why one would appear without you being aware of the situation. This file should also never be larger than the original database, though I suppose it is possible depending on the corruption in the database. There's no guarantee that the RESCUE file will contain anything useful, and in this case, most likely it doesn't. But if you have a file dumping utility, or perhaps something like BBEdit, you could look at the file and see if you recognize anything. > > Jim Rea From jimmyjjet at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 15:03:13 2011 From: jimmyjjet at gmail.com (Jimmy Jet) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:03:13 -0400 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: <734055BF-1196-4A14-81AA-8D0269FC4EEE@gmail.com> References: <734055BF-1196-4A14-81AA-8D0269FC4EEE@gmail.com> Message-ID: I wish the prinitng would get fixed. I'm just trying to print a big list of our contacs and it leaves off a bunch at the end every time. It does it on our check list too if there are a lot of them.When we write letters the font won't change and sometimes just disappears. Then it prints our log like a piece of raggedy crap. Hindsight says its both a bug in Provue -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JC at JamesCook.biz Sat Oct 29 12:54:48 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:54:48 -0400 Subject: Opinion of Cocoa version of Panorama In-Reply-To: References: <734055BF-1196-4A14-81AA-8D0269FC4EEE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5BA55529-5B63-4761-AB7B-A59627C448F2@JamesCook.biz> The first of the problems you're referring is in regard to reports that use Panorama's expand/shrink option. The more records there are, the more there is that gets omitted form the printing. My impression is that Panorama is not adding sufficient pages to the overall report when there's a lot of expanding going on. This issue has been reported a few times but persists. I believe the second issue you're referring to is in Panorama's word processor. I experience it too when trying to change fonts or font sizes, they simply don't respond. Quitting and relaunching cures it for a bit. I don't recall that I've reported this to ProVUE since it's intermittent and I haven't been able to provide evidence. There are highlighting issues there too. By "log" I think you mean your logo. Since OS 10 was introduced there's been no ability to print a quality graphic on the same page as some kinds of text. It's been a while since I last looked into it so my memory is thin, but as I recall the problem is due to an inability to print different resolutions on the same page. On Oct 28, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Jimmy Jet wrote: > I wish the prinitng would get fixed. I'm just trying to print a big list of our contacs and it leaves off a bunch at the end every time. It does it on our check list too if there are a lot of them.When we write letters the font won't change and sometimes just disappears. Then it prints our log like a piece of raggedy crap. Hindsight says its both a bug in Provue James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vaugn at oikia-inc.com Sat Oct 29 13:42:53 2011 From: vaugn at oikia-inc.com (vaugn at oikia-inc.com) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:42:53 -0400 Subject: Appending timestamp to current field contents Message-ID: <40627.1319920973@oikia-inc.com> This should be easy, but doesn't work. How come? local thisfield, thisedit thisfield = "" thisedit = "" thisfield = info("fieldname") copycell thisedit = clipboard() + " " + datepattern(today(),"mm/dd/yy") + " " + timepattern(now(),"hh:mm") paste From JC at JamesCook.biz Sat Oct 29 14:31:51 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:31:51 -0400 Subject: Appending timestamp to current field contents In-Reply-To: <40627.1319920973@oikia-inc.com> References: <40627.1319920973@oikia-inc.com> Message-ID: Actually it does work as written and does nothing but copy the cell and paste back what it copied. ;-) I think you want to put your results on the clipboard, then paste. In fact, the following matches your entire procedure: copycell Clipboard=clipboard() + " " + datepattern(today(),"mm/dd/yy") + " " + timepattern(now(),"hh:mm") pastecell So does this with ?? indicating the current field: ??=??+ " " + datepattern(today(),"mm/dd/yy") + " " + timepattern(now(),"hh:mm") On Oct 29, 2011, at 4:42 PM, wrote: > This should be easy, but doesn't work. How come? > > local thisfield, thisedit > thisfield = "" > thisedit = "" > thisfield = info("fieldname") > copycell > thisedit = clipboard() + " " + datepattern(today(),"mm/dd/yy") + " " + timepattern(now(),"hh:mm") > paste > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > James Cook Jim at JamesCook.biz 616.928.2221 http://JamesCook.biz James Cook JC at JamesCook.biz Founder of HindSight Ltd. http://HSLtd.us Panorama Tutoring Custom Panorama Applications Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vaugn at oikia-inc.com Sat Oct 29 14:45:50 2011 From: vaugn at oikia-inc.com (vaugn at oikia-inc.com) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:45:50 -0400 Subject: Appending timestamp to current field contents Message-ID: <45233.1319924750@oikia-inc.com> Check! Thanks for the reply. Formulas & Programming p52 Using the Current Field A formula may use ???? (see ???Special Characters??? on page 57) to refer to the current field without having to know what the current field is. For example, this formula converts the current cell to upper case. On Sab Oct 29 17:31 , James Cook sent: >Actually it does work as written and does nothing but copy the cell and paste back what it copied. ??;-) >I think you want to put your results on the clipboard, then paste. In fact, the following matches your entire procedure: >copycellClipboard=clipboard() + " " + datepattern(today(),"mm/dd/yy") + " " + timepattern(now(),"hh:mm")pastecell >So does this with ???? indicating the current field: >????=????+ " " + datepattern(today(),"mm/dd/yy") + " " + timepattern(now(),"hh:mm") > > > >On Oct 29, 2011, at 4:42 PM, wrote:This should be easy, but doesn't work. ??How come? > >local thisfield, thisedit >thisfield = "" >thisedit = "" >thisfield = info("fieldname") >copycell >thisedit = clipboard() + " " + datepattern(today(),"mm/dd/yy") + " " + timepattern(now(),"hh:mm") >paste >_______________________________________________ >Qna mailing list >Qna at provue.com >http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna > > > >James Cook >Jim at JamesCook.biz >616.928.2221 > >http://JamesCook.biz > > > > > > > > > >James Cook >JC at JamesCook.biz > >Founder of HindSight Ltd. >http://HSLtd.us > >Panorama Tutoring >Custom Panorama Applications >Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for??the Web > > > From csw at me.com Sat Oct 29 14:39:15 2011 From: csw at me.com (chris watts) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:39:15 -0700 Subject: Appending timestamp to current field contents In-Reply-To: <40627.1319920973@oikia-inc.com> References: <40627.1319920973@oikia-inc.com> Message-ID: why not thisfield = thisfield + " " +datepattern((today(),"mm/dd/yy") + " " + timepattern(now(),"hh:mm") you never assign the value to a field in your example. cw Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2011, at 1:42 PM, vaugn at oikia-inc.com wrote: > This should be easy, but doesn't work. How come? > > local thisfield, thisedit > thisfield = "" > thisedit = "" > thisfield = info("fieldname") > copycell > thisedit = clipboard() + " " + datepattern(today(),"mm/dd/yy") + " " + timepattern(now(),"hh:mm") > paste > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From ronald.southwick at tojfarm.com Sun Oct 30 03:14:36 2011 From: ronald.southwick at tojfarm.com (ronald.southwick) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 06:14:36 -0400 Subject: Panorama & Online File List Message-ID: <4EAD238C.2050008@tojfarm.com> Can Panorama (Windows, ver. 6) go to www.mydomain.com/filelist/ and read the file names (not contents) into a variable? Or is that sort of work dependent upon a call to the Mac's operating system? Thank for any insight or pointers to manual pages. Ron From gary at yonaites.com Sun Oct 30 08:45:28 2011 From: gary at yonaites.com (Gary Yonaites) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:45:28 -0700 Subject: Panorama & Online File List In-Reply-To: <4EAD238C.2050008@tojfarm.com> References: <4EAD238C.2050008@tojfarm.com> Message-ID: I would use LoadURL or loadurl( to get the basic page and the tagdata( to parse out the needed text. I tried to look at the url you supplied but got a 404 "Page not Found" error. Check out page 607 of the Formulas & Programming.pdf file for a discussion of the loadurl statement and function. Gary gary at yonaites.com On Oct 30, 2011, at 3:14 AM, ronald.southwick wrote: > Can Panorama (Windows, ver. 6) go to www.mydomain.com/filelist/ and read the file names (not contents) into a variable? Or is that sort of work dependent upon a call to the Mac's operating system? > > Thank for any insight or pointers to manual pages. > > Ron > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna From designer at quickdata.com Sun Oct 30 10:16:44 2011 From: designer at quickdata.com (Paul) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:16:44 -0700 Subject: Appending timestamp to current field contents In-Reply-To: References: <40627.1319920973@oikia-inc.com> Message-ID: <4EAD867C.8000302@quickdata.com> Jim, Can you put ?? on both sides of the = sign now? Paul QuickData On 10/29/11 2:31 PM, James Cook wrote: > Actually it does work as written and does nothing but copy the cell > and paste back what it copied. ;-) > > I think you want to put your results on the clipboard, then paste. In > fact, the following matches your entire procedure: > > copycell > Clipboard=clipboard() + " " + datepattern(today(),"mm/dd/yy") + " > " + timepattern(now(),"hh:mm") > pastecell > > > So does this with ?? indicating the current field: > > > ??=??+ " " + datepattern(today(),"mm/dd/yy") + " " + > timepattern(now(),"hh:mm") > > > > > On Oct 29, 2011, at 4:42 PM, > > wrote: > >> This should be easy, but doesn't work. How come? >> >> local thisfield, thisedit >> thisfield = "" >> thisedit = "" >> thisfield = info("fieldname") >> copycell >> thisedit = clipboard() + " " + datepattern(today(),"mm/dd/yy") + " " >> + timepattern(now(),"hh:mm") >> paste >> _______________________________________________ >> Qna mailing list >> Qna at provue.com >> http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna >> > > James Cook > Jim at JamesCook.biz > 616.928.2221 > > http://JamesCook.biz > > > > > > > James Cook > JC at JamesCook.biz > > Founder of HindSight Ltd. > http://HSLtd.us > > Panorama Tutoring > Custom Panorama Applications > Specializing in Panorama Enterprise for the Web > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qna mailing list > Qna at provue.com > http://provue.com/mailman/listinfo/qna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronald.southwick at tojfarm.com Sun Oct 30 10:33:07 2011 From: ronald.southwick at tojfarm.com (ronald.southwick) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:33:07 -0400 Subject: Panorama & Online File List In-Reply-To: References: <4EAD238C.2050008@tojfarm.com> Message-ID: <4EAD8A53.40108@tojfarm.com> Yep, that's what I needed. Thanks! Ron Gary Yonaites wrote: > I would use LoadURL or loadurl( to get the basic page and the tagdata( to parse out the needed text. I tried to look at the url you supplied but got a 404 "Page not Found" error. Check out page 607 of the Formulas & Programming.pdf file for a discussion of the loadurl statement and function. > On Oct 30, 2011, at 3:14 AM, ronald.southwick wrote: > >> Can Panorama (Windows, ver. 6) go to www.mydomain.com/filelist/ and read the file names (not contents) into a variable? Or is that sort of work dependent upon a call to the Mac's operating system? From dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu Sun Oct 30 12:42:30 2011 From: dthmpsn1 at illinois.edu (Thompson, David) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:42:30 +0000 Subject: Appending timestamp to current field contents In-Reply-To: <4EAD867C.8000302@quickdata.com> References: <40627.1319920973@oikia-inc.com> , <4EAD867C.8000302@quickdata.com> Message-ID: I've forgotten whether it was Panorama 5.5 or 6.0 where this feature was added, but I remember that, during beta testing, Jim Cook reported the inability to do that as a bug, and Jim Rea added the feature. Dave ________________________________ From: Paul [designer at quickdata.com] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 12:16 PM To: Panorama Questions & Answers (Discussion) Subject: Re: Appending timestamp to current field contents Jim, Can you put ?? on both sides of the = sign now? Paul QuickData On 10/29/11 2:31 PM, James Cook wrote: Actually it does work as written and does nothing but copy the cell and paste back what it copied. ;-) I think you want to put your results on the clipboard, then paste. In fact, the following matches your entire procedure: copycell Clipboard=clipboard() + " " + datepattern(today(),"mm/dd/yy") + " " + timepattern(now(),"hh:mm") pastecell So does this with ?? indicating the current field: ??=??+ " " + datepattern(today(),"mm/dd/yy") + " " + timepattern(now(),"hh:mm") -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JC at JamesCook.biz Mon Oct 31 07:23:05 2011 From: JC at JamesCook.biz (James Cook) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:23:05 -0400 Subject: Expand/Shrink In-Reply-To: <5BA55529-5B63-4761-AB7B-A59627C448F2@JamesCook.biz> References: <734055BF-1196-4A14-81AA-8D0269FC4EEE@gmail.com> <5BA55529-5B63-4761-AB7B-A59627C448F2@JamesCook.biz> Message-ID: <28F323D2-9E1A-4C0F-8B01-469C81F31E4C@JamesCook.biz> I've confirmed that the expand/shrink option in printing still has issues. I tried printing a report with 300 names with just one field set to expand. Most records printed properly but here and there some inexplicably expanded to use a full page. About 50 names at the end of the list were entirely omitted even after several tweaks to the tiles and text in the report. Those that over-expanded don't have extra blank lines or anything I could identify that would cause the excessive expansion. Is anyone else able to match these issues? 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